Need a diesel - which one is best for MPG

fitzparker · 26-06-2017 2:54pm #1

Hi, after buying a new house, I will now be doing around 1000 Km per week(work and social).

At the moment i have a 07 passat petrol which I will have to change before I start camping outside a petrol station, with that distance it is eating away the money.

So im looking to trade in the above and add around 7-8k to it ( so around 10-11k) to spend, im hoping.

can anyone advise what cars to recommend I look at.

hoping for 2010 up, decent family car with low enough KM (seem as though ill be putting roughly 50km a year on it) is this something I could get for my budget?

Idbatterim · 26-06-2017 5:25pm

if this commute is going to be long term. would going for the seriously cheap fuel option i.e. electric be worth considering?

bazz26 · 26-06-2017 6:28pm

Good value in Renault Lagunas these days, this is a rare 2.0 litre too with low mileage so decent bit of poke in it over the more common 1.5:

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http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1718938&r=s.php%3Fm%3D72%26o%3D618%26r%3D2012%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

fitzparker · 26-06-2017 6:31pm

Idbatterim wrote: »

if this commute is going to be long term. would going for the seriously cheap fuel option i.e. electric be worth considering?

Yes it will be long term. Of course electric would be considered.. anything to bring the bills down i just dont know too much about it. Will a charge last all the way up and how long does it take to charge etc. ...

fitzparker · 26-06-2017 6:32pm

bazz26 wrote: »

Good value in Renault Lagunas these days, this is a rare 2.0 litre too with low mileage so decent bit of poke in it over the more common 1.5:

http://www.carsireland.ie/detail.php?ad_id=1718938&r=s.php%3Fm%3D72%26o%3D618%26r%3D2012%26pp%3D50%26g%3D0

Seems like a good one.. do Renault have the same. Do renaults still have the same reputation as old?

bazz26 · 26-06-2017 6:35pm

Nope, their reliability vastly improved with the introduction of that Laguna model back in 2007. They are a solid car these days but because of the previous model's poor reputation and the fact that the Laguna is no longer sold here means prices have dropped which is good for someone buying. Renault Fluence is worth looking at too, it's basically a Megane saloon similar to a VW Jetta and Golf, it's a bit smaller than the Laguna but still a decent enough car.

JohnnyB23 · 26-06-2017 6:38pm

fitzparker wrote: »

Yes it will be long term. Of course electric would be considered.. anything to bring the bills down i just dont know too much about it. Will a charge last all the way up and how long does it take to charge etc. ...

Hàve a read on the hyundai ioniq thread. I'm very temped to go down this road myself. With 10K paid up front, your monthly payment would still be a lot less that your desel bill!

fitzparker · 27-06-2017 8:03am

bazz26 wrote: »

Nope, their reliability vastly improved with the introduction of that Laguna model back in 2007. They are a solid car these days but because of the previous model's poor reputation and the fact that the Laguna is no longer sold here means prices have dropped which is good for someone buying. Renault Fluence is worth looking at too, it's basically a Megane saloon similar to a VW Jetta and Golf, it's a bit smaller than the Laguna but still a decent enough car.

Great, will definitely look into it. there are some nice fluence available at that price, some even cheaper. what are the Capture like? a couple available also

bazz26 · 27-06-2017 6:37pm

The Capture is based on the Clio so it won't be as spacious or comfortable.

mossy50 · 28-06-2017 10:46am

passat TDI

jsd1004 · 28-06-2017 1:03pm

JohnnyB23 wrote: »

fitzparker wrote: »

Yes it will be long term. Of course electric would be considered.. anything to bring the bills down i just dont know too much about it. Will a charge last all the way up and how long does it take to charge etc. ...

Hàve a read on the hyundai ioniq thread. I'm very temped to go down this road myself. With 10K paid up front, your monthly payment would still be a lot less that your desel bill!

There will be loads of diesel cars coming in from the UK as they are not wanted there anymore. In a couple of years with the way things are going diesels will be worthless .
https://www.wewantanycar.com/news/diesel-car-sales-fall-2017/?utm_source=Diesel+car+sales+fall+by+20%&utm_medium=email&utm_term=GuardianAirPollution&utm_content=Excl.+Gmail,+Aol,+SLT+27.06.17&utm_campaign=June+2017+Newsletter+-+SLT1&_ccCt=0ru2aV5Q9aixdo07WWIOonfdl0NEV471mU8tGZ4L1ECNoCQNbTGYB5KRv3~FE3_C

jsd1004 · 28-06-2017 1:03pm

JohnnyB23 wrote: »

fitzparker wrote: »

Yes it will be long term. Of course electric would be considered.. anything to bring the bills down i just dont know too much about it. Will a charge last all the way up and how long does it take to charge etc. ...

Hàve a read on the hyundai ioniq thread. I'm very temped to go down this road myself. With 10K paid up front, your monthly payment would still be a lot less that your desel bill!

There will be loads of diesel cars coming in from the UK as they are not wanted there anymore. In a couple of years with the way things are going diesels will be worthless .
https://www.wewantanycar.com/news/diesel-car-sales-fall-2017/?utm_source=Diesel+car+sales+fall+by+20%&utm_medium=email&utm_term=GuardianAirPollution&utm_content=Excl.+Gmail,+Aol,+SLT+27.06.17&utm_campaign=June+2017+Newsletter+-+SLT1&_ccCt=0ru2aV5Q9aixdo07WWIOonfdl0NEV471mU8tGZ4L1ECNoCQNbTGYB5KRv3~FE3_C

bazz26 · 28-06-2017 4:22pm

Yawn!

SBPhoto · 28-06-2017 4:37pm

jsd1004 wrote: »

There will be loads of diesel cars coming in from the UK as they are not wanted there anymore. In a couple of years with the way things are going diesels will be worthless .
https://www.wewantanycar.com/news/diesel-car-sales-fall-2017/?utm_source=Diesel+car+sales+fall+by+20%25&utm_medium=email&utm_term=GuardianAirPollution&utm_content=Excl.+Gmail%2c+Aol%2c+SLT+27.06.17&utm_campaign=June+2017+Newsletter+-+SLT1&_ccCt=0ru2aV5Q9aixdo07WWIOonfdl0NEV471mU8tGZ4L1ECNoCQNbTGYB5KRv3~FE3_C

Some People will believe everything they read, if this happens will take a lot longer than a couple of years, still 81,500 Diesels registered in May

Toyotafanboi · 28-06-2017 4:39pm

I think it's well on the way in fairness. I wouldn't let it put me off buying one at present though. If you are doing 1000km per week you will make a saving driving diesel.

jsd1004 · 28-06-2017 7:28pm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I think it's well on the way in fairness. I wouldn't let it put me off buying one at present though. If you are doing 1000km per week you will make a saving driving diesel.

Yes exactly my point. When all these diesels come on the market in 2-3 years no one will want them in the UK. So they will come here and diesel car prices will collapse even if the Irish government has not raised diesel tax which it will be doing in the next budget.

jsd1004 · 28-06-2017 7:29pm

SBPhoto wrote: »

jsd1004 wrote: »

There will be loads of diesel cars coming in from the UK as they are not wanted there anymore. In a couple of years with the way things are going diesels will be worthless .
https://www.wewantanycar.com/news/diesel-car-sales-fall-2017/?utm_source=Diesel+car+sales+fall+by+20%25&utm_medium=email&utm_term=GuardianAirPollution&utm_content=Excl.+Gmail%2c+Aol%2c+SLT+27.06.17&utm_campaign=June+2017+Newsletter+-+SLT1&_ccCt=0ru2aV5Q9aixdo07WWIOonfdl0NEV471mU8tGZ4L1ECNoCQNbTGYB5KRv3~FE3_C

Some People will believe everything they read, if this happens will take a lot longer than a couple of years, still 81,500 Diesels registered in May

Yes exactly my point. When all these diesels come on the market in 2-3 years no one will want them in the UK. So they will come here and diesel car prices will collapse even if the Irish government has not raised diesel tax which it will be doing in the next budget.

bazz26 · 28-06-2017 9:58pm

jsd1004 wrote: »

Yes exactly my point. When all these diesels come on the market in 2-3 years no one will want them in the UK. So they will come here and diesel car prices will collapse even if the Irish government has not raised diesel tax which it will be doing in the next budget.

Do you honestly think the Government will not raise taxes on petrol, hybrid or electric cars when they become the new popular choice? The Government will get their pound of flesh from the motorist no matter what technology propels them. It's just trendy to hate diesel these days and repeat the doom and gloom printed in tabloid rags. Diesel sales might decline as people who never needed them move to better alternatives but the notion that diesel cars will suddenly become unwanted and the market will collapse is a bit farcical and just sounds like hysteria. Diesel cars will go back to the old days of being a necessity for long distance/commercial drivers where it pays them to drive a diesel.

If you can see that accurately into the near future you really should go out and buy a lottery ticket.

road_high · 28-06-2017 10:01pm

fitzparker wrote: »

Great, will definitely look into it. there are some nice fluence available at that price, some even cheaper. what are the Capture like? a couple available also

The Fluence must be giving good service as every second taxi driver seems to have one now, like the Avensis in its hay day

drunkmonkey · 28-06-2017 10:04pm

They can't jack diesel as it'll put a lot of pressure on businesses. I'd expect changes in motor tax. I don't understand why vat isn't reclaimable on diesel yet as that might help business change.

As far what car to buy, a Golf diesel from the North.

SBPhoto · 28-06-2017 11:08pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They can't jack diesel as it'll put a lot of pressure on businesses. I'd expect changes in motor tax. I don't understand why vat isn't reclaimable on diesel yet as that might help business change.

As far what car to buy, a Golf diesel from the North.

Surely you mean VAT on petrol, VAT on Diesel is reclaimable

selectamatic · 28-06-2017 11:19pm

2.0tdi vw jetta with the dpf and egr blanked off and a remap. Not for power but to allow for optimum performance/economy without emissions restrictions.

Old school octavia's and superb's were sold with pd tdi engines up until 2009 and are very economical just avoid the bxe 105bhp tdi ones.

drunkmonkey · 28-06-2017 11:20pm

SBPhoto wrote: »

Surely you mean VAT on petrol, VAT on Diesel is reclaimable

Yea a typo I can't understand why it's not allowed on petrol.

jsd1004 · 29-06-2017 1:21am

bazz26 wrote: »

jsd1004 wrote: »

Yes exactly my point. When all these diesels come on the market in 2-3 years no one will want them in the UK. So they will come here and diesel car prices will collapse even if the Irish government has not raised diesel tax which it will be doing in the next budget.

Do you honestly think the Government will not raise taxes on petrol, hybrid or electric cars when they become the new popular choice? The Government will get their pound of flesh from the motorist no matter what technology propels them. It's just trendy to hate diesel these days and repeat the doom and gloom printed in tabloid rags. Diesel sales might decline as people who never needed them move to better alternatives but the notion that diesel cars will suddenly become unwanted and the market will collapse is a bit farcical and just sounds like hysteria. Diesel cars will go back to the old days of being a necessity for long distance/commercial drivers where it pays them to drive a diesel.

If you can see that accurately into the near future you really should go out and buy a lottery ticket.

You seem to be missing the point. I am not talking about the future or Irish policy, I am talking about the massive turn away from diesel cars that is happening in the UK at the moment. All those unwanted diesels are ending up on the market here and this will rise exponentially as the UK increasingly turns from diesel. What happens here is unknown but it is evident that the massive surge in used cars coming from the north and UK is evidence that the republic is becoming a dumping ground for unsellable diesels in the UK. People buying into diesel need to factor this in as a factor much more than economy/mpg.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/mar/04/diesel-environment-ban-tax-duty-emissions-values

jsd1004 · 22-07-2017 7:02am

Looks like a lot of euro 5 and 6 Audis going to be recalled for a hobbling..be wary as this will affect performance and may not increase economy similiar to the VW one.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40681547

Idbatterim · 23-07-2017 11:45am

Only thing about an ioniq with your mileage is depreciation will be significant enough I would have thought. I don't know if a few year old leaf would do ...

Cee-Jay-Cee · 26-07-2017 10:37am

jsd1004 wrote: »

You seem to be missing the point. I am not talking about the future or Irish policy, I am talking about the massive turn away from diesel cars that is happening in the UK at the moment. All those unwanted diesels are ending up on the market here and this will rise exponentially as the UK increasingly turns from diesel. What happens here is unknown but it is evident that the massive surge in used cars coming from the north and UK is evidence that the republic is becoming a dumping ground for unsellable diesels in the UK. People buying into diesel need to factor this in as a factor much more than economy/mpg.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2017/mar/04/diesel-environment-ban-tax-duty-emissions-values

The turn away from diesel in the UK is happening but is slow and will take another good few years to swing fully towards petrol/EV/Hybrid cars and by that time Brexit will be complete/finalized and UK cars will not be a viable option like they are at the moment as VAT as well as VRT will be payable on them and so the level of cars being imported here will shrink drastically if not dry up completely.

You also have to remember that we are generally 10 years minimum behind everywhere else so the move away from diesel here will take even longer.

jsd1004 · 26-07-2017 11:01pm

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

The turn away from diesel in the UK is happening but is slow and will take another good few years to swing fully towards petrol/EV/Hybrid cars and by that time Brexit will be complete/finalized and UK cars will not be a viable option like they are at the moment as VAT as well as VRT will be payable on them and so the level of cars being imported here will shrink drastically if not dry up completely.

You also have to remember that we are generally 10 years minimum behind everywhere else so the move away from diesel here will take even longer.

Again. You seem to miss the point. It is irrelevent what happens in this country. The UK has turned against diesel. All the unwanted diesels in the UK are ending up here. This can be seen from the massive increase in imports from the UK. The weak sterling has compounded this. It does not matter what the government does here. The flood of unwanted diesels from the UK will make diesel cars here plummet in value even if the Irish government does nothing on diesel.

grogi · 26-07-2017 11:20pm

jsd1004 wrote: »

Again. You seem to miss the point. It is irrelevent what happens in this country. The UK has turned against diesel. All the unwanted diesels in the UK are ending up here. This can be seen from the massive increase in imports from the UK. The weak sterling has compounded this. It does not matter what the government does here. The flood of unwanted diesels from the UK will make diesel cars here plummet in value even if the Irish government does nothing on diesel.

It is irrelevant what happens in Ireland for what happens in Ireland... What a depth...

bazz26 · 26-07-2017 11:37pm

The private UK motorist may be swaying towards alternatives to diesel again but there is still a large business demand for diesel in the UK so saying the UK has turned against diesel is bit of a sensationalist tabloid headline claim at this stage. Also the trend in the UK follows here with private buyers then demand for importing diesels will decline here too.