Politicians

Freddio

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0625/885367-halligan-ross-judicial-appointments/


Why do these people and their opinions matter?

freshpopcorn

John Halligan got in on the fact that he was all about change and got the popular vote. He tries to keep this going for the next election.

Freddio

But the fact remains we are represented by gombeens across the board

SEPT 23 1989

We tolerate them and their system I think that's something they seem to forget

koumi

everytime Leo Varadkar claims he was elected Taoiseach I want to punch him in the gonads

koumi

koumi wrote: »

everytime Leo Varadkar claims he was elected Taoiseach I want to punch him in the gonads

He was. Insofar as he was appointed by the Oireachtas, like all his predecessors. The electorate don't elect a Taoiseach.

Ted Plain

All I know is that the collective noun for politicians should be shower; a right shower of kunts politicians.

Freddio

Re Leo : Please stay on topic. His views of love actually are not solving the housing and drug problems

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

You gets what you votes for.

Glenster

Freddio wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0625/885367-halligan-ross-judicial-appointments/


Why do these people and their opinions matter?

24.3% of the voting electorate cast their vote for them.

Politics should be about consensus, not letting the party that gets 50.1% of the vote f*ck over the other 49.9% of the country.

(Not that that is happening, just in principle i mean.)

_ZeeK_

"A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices"

- Orwell

Ulysses Gaze

_ZeeK_ wrote: »

"A people that elect corrupt politicians, imposters, thieves and traitors are not victims... but accomplices"

- Orwell

And watch people vote in FF next election. And in 8/10 years time sit their scratching their heads when FF tank the economy, as they always do, on another property Ponzi scheme.

But FG are no better.

Taking a quote from George Carlin and amending it a little:

Everybody complains about politicians. Everybody says they suck. Well, where do people think these politicians come from? They don't fall out of the sky. They don't pass through a membrane from another reality. They come from Irish parents and Irish families, Irish homes, Irish schools, Irish churches, Irish businesses and Irish universities, and they are elected by Irish citizens. This is the best we can do folks. This is what we have to offer. It's what our system produces: Garbage in, garbage out. If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. Term limits ain't going to do any good; you're just going to end up with a brand new bunch of selfish, ignorant Irish. So, maybe, maybe, maybe, it's not the politicians who suck. Maybe something else sucks around here... like, the public. Yeah, the public sucks. There's a nice campaign slogan for somebody: 'The Public Sucks. F*ck Hope.”

koumi

Deleted User wrote: »

He was. Insofar as he was appointed by the Oireachtas, like all his predecessors. The electorate don't elect a Taoiseach.

I think it's time for a GE

Ulysses Gaze

koumi wrote: »

I think it's time for a GE

You really want FF back in power?

Really?

RobbingBandit

Cowboys Ted the lot of em.

Ulysses Gaze

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Cowboys Ted the lot of em.

And we're paying for them.

Freddio

koumi wrote: »

I think it's time for a GE

Off topic: nothing will change

Poor Uncle Tom

koumi wrote: »

I think it's time for a GE

Naw, it's time for a cull,

I call open season on all politicians....

koumi

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

You really want FF back in power?

Really?

FF wouldn't have the numbers, although I'm hoping they are desperate enough to collaborate with SF. Might as well sure.

Ulysses Gaze

koumi wrote: »

FF wouldn't have the numbers, although I'm hoping they are desperate enough to collaborate with SF. Might as well sure.

That would not end well...

koumi

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

That would not end well...

:pac:

why? The DUP are now powersharing in London

Freddio

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

That would not end well...

This is not Vincent Browne : I'm not looking for political commentary as to who might be the next batch of twits in Leinster house

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Freddio wrote: »

This is not Vincent Browne : I'm not looking for political commentary as to who might be the next batch of twits in Leinster house

All the same you can't ignore, they'll be whoever we vote for.

Freddio

Melanie Better Banner wrote: »

All the same you can't ignore, they'll be whoever we vote for.

Unless the mechanism of governance is turn on its head . . .

Ulysses Gaze

Freddio wrote: »

This is not Vincent Browne : I'm not looking for political commentary as to who might be the next batch of twits in Leinster house

Why not?

Whoever wins, we lose.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Freddio wrote: »

Unless the mechanism of governance is turn on its head . . .

Do you have a magical mechanism in mind?

Freddio

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why not?

Whoever wins, we lose.

Exactly

Freddio

Melanie Better Banner wrote: »

Do you have a magical mechanism in mind?

I don't have a utopian dream that has never been tested, at the same time I believe there are enough intelligent people in the country with no vested interests who could put a system together. But these type of people are not the type to start revolutions

Ulysses Gaze

Melanie Better Banner wrote: »

Do you have a magical mechanism in mind?

Capitalist Democracy doesn't work
Communism doesn't work
Scandinavian type Socialism would not work as Irish people would not be willing to pay the high taxes to fund the system

Why not try a Technocracy?

Wanderer78

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Capitalist Democracy doesn't work
Communism doesn't work
Scandinavian type Socialism would not work as Irish people would not be willing to pay the high taxes to fund the system

Why not try a Technocracy?

where has Capitalist Democracy been tried?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why not try a Technocracy?

Because the Technocracy movement couldn't even get itself beyond a theory. Read William Akin's Technocracy and the American Dream.

Rumpy Pumpy

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Capitalist Democracy doesn't work
Communism doesn't work
Scandinavian type Socialism would not work as Irish people would not be willing to pay the high taxes to fund the system

Why not try a Technocracy?

Ireland is a successful social democracy very much of the Scandinavian model.

Ulysses Gaze

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

You really want FF back in power?

Really?

I'd take them over a Government that is only interested in lining Denis O'Brien's pocket.

Freddio

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Ireland is a successful social democracy very much of the Scandinavian model.

In what context is it a success?

Wanderer78

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Ireland is a successful social democracy very much of the Scandinavian model.

friend of mine has been living in sweden for years, our public services are vastly different, apparently

Rumpy Pumpy

Freddio wrote: »

In what context is it a success?

In less than 100 years we have gone from independence to being one of the world's most prosperous, fair and peaceful countries in which to live. The quality of life here is extraordinary for almost everyone. It's a fine example of post-war social democracy.

Freddio

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

In less than 100 years we have gone from independence to being one of the world's most prosperous, fair and peaceful countries in which to live. The quality of life here is extraordinary for almost everyone. It's a fine example of post-war social democracy.

I don't want to get abusive but if you believe that, you clearly represent the ignoring views that are held by the system and personalities I am calling into question with this thread. The quality of life for the population of this country is very polar and disproportionate

Wanderer78

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

In less than 100 years we have gone from independence to being one of the world's most prosperous, fair and peaceful countries in which to live. The quality of life here is extraordinary for almost everyone. It's a fine example of post-war social democracy.

has that prosperity been equally distributed in our society?

Ulysses Gaze

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd take them over a Government that is only interested in lining Denis O'Brien's pocket.

Instead we'll line developers pockets allowing them build sub-standard, shoe-boxes and tank the economy.

Again.

Wonderful.

Rumpy Pumpy

Wanderer78 wrote: »

has that prosperity been equality distributed in our society?

Yes, for the most part.

Our wealth distribution is slightly better than the European average.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/these-claims-about-great-inequality-in-ireland-are-just-bunkum-30992651.html

Wealth distribution in Europe is far above any other part of the world.

Our progressive tax system ensures those who earn more, pay more.

You live in one of the last great examples of a social democracy. Even if you claim the dole, you remain in the top 10% in terms of overall wealth of people living on this planet. If you make a graduate salary of 25k per year, then you are lucky enough to be in the wealthiest 1.5% of people living on Earth.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Bang in your wage there and see where you really sit.

Wanderer78

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Yes, for the most part.

Our wealth distribution is slightly better than the European average.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/these-claims-about-great-inequality-in-ireland-are-just-bunkum-30992651.html

Wealth distribution in Europe is far above any other part of the world.

Our progressive tax system ensures those who earn more, pay more.

You live in one of the last great examples of a social democracy. Even if you claim the dole, you remain in the top 10% in terms of overall wealth of people living on this planet. If you make a graduate salary of 25k per year, then you are lucky enough to be in the wealthiest 1.5% of people living on Earth.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Bang in your wage there and see where you really sit.

'lovely stats', but as people such as joe stiglitz have shown, inequality is growing particularly in countries that have implemented neoliberal policies over the last couple of decades leading to growing equality, this is slowly happening to countries such as ireland, probably not as bad as countries such as america, but if we keep playing this neoliberal game, we ll get there eventually. its time for us to move on from these ideas as they have failed

Freddio

The majority of the population living between the canals in Dublin either struggle to make ends meet or have fallen between the cracks. I can't speak for other parts of the country but I can say the political system and the politicians either do not work (function) or plainly do not work for their constituents. The fact that most of the world is below the poverty line does not validate your argument as we have a typical first world governing system.

Allinall

Freddio wrote: »

The majority of the population living between the canals in Dublin either struggle to make ends meet or have fallen between the cracks. ......

I'd be very interested to see back up for that claim.

Freddio

Allinall wrote: »

I'd be very interested to see back up for that claim.

http://www.thejournal.ie/poverty-ireland-2-2862501-Jul2016/

Yourself isit

Freddio wrote: »

I don't want to get abusive but if you believe that, you clearly represent the ignoring views that are held by the system and personalities I am calling into question with this thread. The quality of life for the population of this country is very polar and disproportionate

It isn't actually. Most people are bunched in the middle. After transfers there's not much difference between middle income and poor.

Yourself isit

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Yes, for the most part.

Our wealth distribution is slightly better than the European average.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/these-claims-about-great-inequality-in-ireland-are-just-bunkum-30992651.html

Wealth distribution in Europe is far above any other part of the world.

Our progressive tax system ensures those who earn more, pay more.

You live in one of the last great examples of a social democracy. Even if you claim the dole, you remain in the top 10% in terms of overall wealth of people living on this planet. If you make a graduate salary of 25k per year, then you are lucky enough to be in the wealthiest 1.5% of people living on Earth.

http://www.globalrichlist.com/

Bang in your wage there and see where you really sit.

I put 1,000 a year in and it still called me rich. Top 48%.

The stats seem way off.

suicide_circus

It's such a broken system. Anyone who wants to be a politician should not be allowed within an asses roar of the wheels of government. Anyone who actually aspires to be a TD or county councillor is nine times out of ten a slimy self serving ego tripping sleeveen, that's the kind of person the profession attracts unfortunately.

Yourself isit

Freddio wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/poverty-ireland-2-2862501-Jul2016/

Disposable income excludes housing costs. It's not very useful. We should be looking at discretionary income.

Zebra3

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

In less than 100 years we have gone from independence to being one of the world's most prosperous, fair and peaceful countries in which to live. The quality of life here is extraordinary for almost everyone. It's a fine example of post-war social democracy.

Tell that to the victims of Roman Catholic terror.

Kids raped up and down the country. Women forced into gulags. Kids taken away from their mothers. All with the connivance of FF, FG, and Labour.

Members of the RC church who helped move child rapist around the country to avoid detection have not been prosecuted.

Bribe a government minister to win a lucrative contract and there is no prosecution or attempt to seize the crook's money.

Sit down on the road when there is a so-called government minister around and you end in court.

There's always money to throw at politicians' salaries, expenses and pensions, but not enough to stop people dying homeless on the streets or dying on trolleys in hospital corridors.

A great little country indeed. :rolleyes:

suicide_circus

Zebra3 wrote: »

Tell that to the victims of Roman Catholic terror.

Kids raped up and down the country. Women forced into gulags. Kids taken away from their mothers. All with the connivance of FF, FG, and Labour.

Members of the RC church who helped move child rapist around the country to avoid detection have not been prosecuted.

Bribe a government minister to win a lucrative contract and there is no prosecution or attempt to seize the crook's money.

Sit down on the road when there is a so-called government minister around and you end in court.

There's always money to throw at politicians' salaries, expenses and pensions, but not enough to stop people dying homeless on the streets or dying on trolleys in hospital corridors.

A great little country indeed. :rolleyes:

Not perfect by a long stretch but i'd still rather live here than under 90% of the governments around the world.

Freddio

suicide_circus wrote: »

Not perfect by a long stretch but i'd still rather live here than under 90% of the governments around the world.

It's still far from acceptable and we shouldn't be discouraged from striving for something better.