Females only?

FireFoxBoy

What on earth is that about? Ever since I arrived back in Ireland I've noticed it more and more.

The_Conductor

Its discriminatory- a landlord cannot discriminate on any of a number of grounds- of which sex is one.

GingerLily

FireFoxBoy wrote: »

What on earth is that about? Ever since I arrived back in Ireland I've noticed it more and more.

Are they house shares or entire rentals?

Victor

House share / room to let - OK. That said, many people say mixed house shares induce better behaviour than single-sex house shares.

Letting, sale - not OK.

Neon_Lights

It's blatantly sexist, and discriminatory.

but women get away with it because they're girls and they need to be "protected" .

They justify is for the fear of being raped, or brutalised by a man (men aren't all animals)

There's nothing you can do about it really. But let me put it to you this way would you like to live surrounded by catty bullplop like that?

BabySlam

Neon_Lights wrote: »

It's blatantly sexist, and discriminatory.

but women get away with it because they're girls and they need to be "protected" .

They justify is for the fear of being raped, or brutalised by a man (men aren't all animals)

There's nothing you can do about it really. But let me put it to you this way would you like to live surrounded by catty bullplop like that?

I think the reason is more likely to be the shortage of men who CLEAN after they use kitchen/bathroom/sitting room. While they may clean superficially, e.g. wash their cup and plate, few will follow up removing crumbs, sweeping floor and drying and putting away their stuff. I blame their mothers.

bmwguy

This anti discrimination thing is rubbish anyway. My house was up for letting a few years ago as I had a 12 month overseas contract.

I wanted to let it to a family with children older than the "draw on the walls with markers' phase.

Not a bunch of guys, a bunch of girls (gay or straight, black or white) but a family.

My letting agent did just that for me, found the tenants I wanted and explained it was definitely only 12 months. They were model tenants, I didn't put the boot in with the rent kept it a bit below market rate and everyone was happy.

Did I discriminate? Absolutely I did. But it was my property.

Daisy 55

BabySlam wrote: »

I think the reason is more likely to be the shortage of men who CLEAN after they use kitchen/bathroom/sitting room. While they may clean superficially, e.g. wash their cup and plate, few will follow up removing crumbs, sweeping floor and drying and putting away their stuff. I blame their mothers.

And fathers

Yawns

BabySlam wrote: »

I think the reason is more likely to be the shortage of men who CLEAN after they use kitchen/bathroom/sitting room. While they may clean superficially, e.g. wash their cup and plate, few will follow up removing crumbs, sweeping floor and drying and putting away their stuff. I blame their mothers.

This gets trotted out every time and it's total crap. For every man that can't / won't clean and lives like a pig, I can show you a woman that's the exact same. Both sexes have their number of filthy animals.

If you're gonna stereotype about how men can't clean, can I stereotype about how women can't work etc etc

BabySlam

Yawns wrote: »

This gets trotted out every time and it's total crap. For every man that can't / won't clean and lives like a pig, I can show you a woman that's the exact same. Both sexes have their number of filthy animals.

If you're gonna stereotype about how men can't clean, can I stereotype about how women can't work etc etc

I was responding to the person who suggested females seek females to share with due to fear of rape, and it seems much more likely to me that they prefer them for the reason I gave. No need to assume I am sexist.

tabby aspreme

BabySlam wrote: »

I think the reason is more likely to be the shortage of men who CLEAN after they use kitchen/bathroom/sitting room. While they may clean superficially, e.g. wash their cup and plate, few will follow up removing crumbs, sweeping floor and drying and putting away their stuff. I blame their mothers.

Definitely, my mother never taught me how to fill the dishwasher correctly and so the cycle continues, I plead with my wife regularly not to let this happen to our children

4ensic15

BabySlam wrote: »

I was responding to the person who suggested females seek females to share with due to fear of rape, and it seems much more likely to me that they prefer them for the reason I gave. No need to assume I am sexist.

You are being sexist. You blamed the mothers. Why didn't you blame the fathers? I blame the parents.

GB FAN GALWAY 30

tabby aspreme wrote: »

Definitely, my mother never taught me how to fill the dishwasher correctly and so the cycle continues, I plead with my wife regularly not to let this happen to our children

Surely if you're not filling the dishwasher the cycle cannot continue

cruizer101

BabySlam wrote: »

I think the reason is more likely to be the shortage of men who CLEAN after they use kitchen/bathroom/sitting room. While they may clean superficially, e.g. wash their cup and plate, few will follow up removing crumbs, sweeping floor and drying and putting away their stuff. I blame their mothers.

Your post is the definition of sexism, prejudice based purely on someone's sex

DeadHand

BabySlam wrote: »

I think the reason is more likely to be the shortage of men who CLEAN after they use kitchen/bathroom/sitting room. While they may clean superficially, e.g. wash their cup and plate, few will follow up removing crumbs, sweeping floor and drying and putting away their stuff. I blame their mothers.

Nah, I'm not having that.

In my experience, females are just as likely to be clean/dirty domestically as males. It's down to the individual rather than the sex.

Probably the least clean individual I've lived with happened to be a woman- yet I don't extrapolate that out to say ALL women are filthy creatures. It's just the way it fell.

Advertising a room as strictly female or male only or refusing to accommodate solely on the basis of the sex is narrow minded, sexist and fundamentally unfair.

But it tends to be men who get discriminated against this way so we hear little about it outside personal discussion. If it were overwhelmingly women getting wronged like this the issue would have made its way into the media by now. Some of the professionally offended women's groups and feminist commentators would run wild with it.

jcd5971

bmwguy wrote:

Did I discriminate? Absolutely I did. But it was my property.

Technically it's your property,but the second you let it out, it becomes the Tennant's home along with all the rights that come with that word.

DeadHand

BabySlam wrote: »

No need to assume I am sexist.

It's a reasonable assumption given that your reply was sexist.

Ms Doubtfire1

Well, think of it this way: If you're a female, sharing with 2 females, would you want a guy in between? I won't? For the simple reason it breaks the routine. All of the sudden, female products need to be hidden ( female shame hasn't subsided there) you can't walk around with a towel only anymore (god forbid he would see that and think something) etc. Same for a man, sharing with other guys only - all of the sudden the typical ' male' talk is kind of censored cause you have to behave, she might take offense. I think in a house share situation it's just easier to share with same sex. It's very rare to see a balance 2 on 2 share situation and there's complications in that as well. Some might end up in a couple situation forming a front against the other 2. But,Ll should not have a preference.

BabySlam

4ensic15 wrote: »

You are being sexist. You blamed the mothers. Why didn't you blame the fathers? I blame the parents.

Because it is more usual in Ireland that females take or assume responsibility for cleaning; if a family had a puncture when driving it would be a good role model for the daughters to see their mum fix the puncture because it is more usual that the guy fixes it - so to explain it very simply to you, children generally use same sex adults as the basis of their own role identity and seeing the opposite parent do something is less impactful on their self development. It is not sexist to notice the roles people usually fulfil, it is commentary. Adults of either sex who appropriate roles which prevent the other sex from participating are not doing any favors to their dependents.

BabySlam

DeadHand wrote: »

It's a reasonable assumption given that your reply was sexist.

Hilarious you have nothing to say about Post #5 which I responded to.

pilly

It may be sexist etc. to advertise this way but the reality guys is this: when someone takes in a new housemate they make the decision based on what they're comfortable with.

Lets say this kind of advertising is banned. You will spend your time replying to ads who have no interest in you as a housemate anyway.

Even if it was taken a step further and people were somehow forced to share a house with someone they weren't comfortable with, would you like to be sharing with them?

It's just a reality. People have a right to choose who they live with.

Yawns

Yes they do. But if it was in reverse there would be uproar. If that number of ads said male only and not female only, then it would have already made media headlines etc etc. It might be reality but you still can't discriminate based on gender regardless. Pubs still are not allowed to stop travellers from drinking in them because they are travellers. Reality is most pubs find ways to stop them but they don't put a sign up on the door saying no travellers.

BlinkingLights

It's likely covered under the Equal Status Act but it seems nobody is taking a case for some reason.

You can't discriminate against either gender like that.

DeadHand

BabySlam wrote: »

Hilarious you have nothing to say about Post #5 which I responded to.

Yes, clearly it forced you to make a sexist contribution.

Own your prejudices, at least.

DeadHand

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Well, think of it this way: If you're a female, sharing with 2 females, would you want a guy in between? I won't? For the simple reason it breaks the routine. All of the sudden, female products need to be hidden ( female shame hasn't subsided there) you can't walk around with a towel only anymore (god forbid he would see that and think something) etc. Same for a man, sharing with other guys only - all of the sudden the typical ' male' talk is kind of censored cause you have to behave, she might take offense. I think in a house share situation it's just easier to share with same sex. It's very rare to see a balance 2 on 2 share situation and there's complications in that as well. Some might end up in a couple situation forming a front against the other 2. But,Ll should not have a preference.

I don't know what kind of guys you know but any adult male I've lived with wouldn't blink twice at the sight of a woman in a towel or burst into flames if confronted with a box of tampax. Unless you've lived with some highly unusual guys I'd venture that your argument is rooted more in your own preconceptions and insecurities than experience and reality.

What, pray tell, is "typical male talk"?

pilly

Yawns wrote: »

Yes they do. But if it was in reverse there would be uproar. If that number of ads said male only and not female only, then it would have already made media headlines etc etc. It might be reality but you still can't discriminate based on gender regardless. Pubs still are not allowed to stop travellers from drinking in them because they are travellers. Reality is most pubs find ways to stop them but they don't put a sign up on the door saying no travellers.

This is my point though. Banning advertising of preferences doesn't make a blind bit of a difference to the reality of the situation.

I feel for men looking for accommodation but I'm simply pointing out would you rather be wasting your time answering ads?

Ms Doubtfire1

DeadHand wrote: »

I don't know what kind of guys you know but any adult male I've lived with wouldn't blink twice at the sight of a woman in a towel or burst into flames if confronted with a box of tampax. Unless you've lived with some highly unusual guys I'd venture that your argument is rooted more in your own preconceptions and insecurities than experience and reality.

What, pray tell, is "typical male talk"?

Well, thats your opinion, but I can guarantee you it's not correct.
Whats typical ' male ' talk? the same as typical ' female' talk.Take of it what you may - no skin of my nose.:D

DeadHand

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Well, thats your opinion, but I can guarantee you it's not correct.
Whats typical ' male ' talk? the same as typical ' female' talk.Take of it what you may - no skin of my nose.:D

No, that's my experience.

All I take from it so far is you have no idea what you're talking about.

izzyflusky

jcd5971 wrote: »

Technically it's your property,but the second you let it out, it becomes the Tennant's home along with all the rights that come with that word.

The very reason he wanted to carefully choose his tenants I'd say.


I don't know how to quote multiple times on my phone but I have seen male only ads too and no uproar in the media as it has been suggested.

In saying that, I think a person in his or her own home should be allowed to choose who they live with. Whether it's advertised or not people are still going to filter based on their own preferences anyway. This way it just saves time for everyone involved.

The_Conductor

Guys- this is not an appropriate venue for a male versus female- or stereotypes thread. If you really want to hold such a discussion- please take it elsewhere.

DeadHand

The_Conductor wrote: »

Guys- this is not an appropriate venue for a male versus female- or stereotypes thread. If you really want to hold such a discussion- please take it elsewhere.

All the stereotypes are coming from one side.

The_Conductor

DeadHand wrote: »

All the stereotypes are coming from one side.

Regardless- this is not an appropriate venue- please take it elsewhere.

Lumen

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

All of the sudden, female products need to be hidden ( female shame hasn't subsided there) you can't walk around with a towel only anymore (god forbid he would see that and think something) etc. Same for a man, sharing with other guys only - all of the sudden the typical ' male' talk is kind of censored cause you have to behave, she might take offense.

This is not only sexist, it's quite heteronormative.

I genuinely have no idea what "he would see [you walking around wearing a towel] and think something" means.

Think what? That you're going to a toga party?

It seems like if it's OK to say "females only" on a houseshare it must also be OK to say "straight women or gay men only". What's the difference?

wordofwarning

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Well, think of it this way: If you're a female, sharing with 2 females, would you want a guy in between? I won't? For the simple reason it breaks the routine. All of the sudden, female products need to be hidden ( female shame hasn't subsided there)

God forbid a man thinks you use tampons... What's next? Imagine the outrage that will start advertising for 'female products' in the media?

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

you can't walk around with a towel only anymore (god forbid he would see that and think something) etc.

Think what exactly? Do you think so little of men, that if they see you in a towel that you are suggesting something? Its really condescending.

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Same for a man, sharing with other guys only - all of the sudden the typical ' male' talk is kind of censored cause you have to behave, she might take offense.

So you never heard of a women discussing sex before? I find that hard to believe...

This post honestly reads straight out of 1963 Catholic Ireland ie men are all crude, only want sex and women need to appear innocent.

OP if you are reading posts female only, I imagine it is not coming from a landlord. I have been into hundreds of rental properties and women are the dirtiest by far. There is nothing like scrubbing 12 months of fake tan and foundation off a white wall when women move out (It has happened several times). Female tenants not always(but often) gang up on each other. It is more common for female tenants to move out mid-tenancy than with males over name calling and general pettiness. Mixed tenancies generally have less issues tenants tend to be more conscious about cleanliness, etc.

Neon_Lights

I blame the fodginers, if we didn't have such a massive influx, there wouldn't be such a mad pissyness about supply.

Then the Queers, the norms, the guys and the girls could roam free in shared accommodation with towels and we'd all have a very merry Xmas.

jimmycrackcorm

tabby aspreme wrote:

Definitely, my mother never taught me how to fill the dishwasher correctly and so the cycle continues, I plead with my wife regularly not to let this happen to our children

Ok, I'll be the one to put my hand up and ask what's the correct way to fill the dishwasher...

Daisy78

Neon_Lights wrote: »

It's blatantly sexist, and discriminatory.

but women get away with it because they're girls and they need to be "protected" .

They justify is for the fear of being raped, or brutalised by a man (men aren't all animals)

There's nothing you can do about it really. But let me put it to you this way would you like to live surrounded by catty bullplop like that?

To be honest I don't see what the problem is? Some women just prefer to live with other women , yes safety may be a consideration but for the most part it's wanting a certain household dynamic.I know I've lived in rental properties where we have looked for other females purely due to the fact that we might have more I common with them. For what it's worth from experience I agree with one of the other posters that a mixed house is a happier, better behaved one but at the end of the day it comes down to an individual's personality not their gender.

Yarghhh

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Ok, I'll be the one to put my hand up and ask what's the correct way to fill the dishwasher...

Not with every piece of cutlery in the one place of the cutlery container, things not stacked on top of each other so the water from below can actually wash things etc. No sharp knives or frying pans in the dishwasher...

Seems simple but 4/5 people I have lived with can't do it.

Amalgam

BabySlam wrote: »

I think the reason is more likely to be the shortage of men who CLEAN after they use kitchen/bathroom/sitting room. While they may clean superficially, e.g. wash their cup and plate, few will follow up removing crumbs, sweeping floor and drying and putting away their stuff. I blame their mothers.

That's said a lot without being challenged.

You have female 'dirt birds' with hideous hygiene habits, being slovenly isn't just a male attribute, not by a long shot.

conf101

Ms Doubtfire1 wrote: »

Well, think of it this way: If you're a female, sharing with 2 females, would you want a guy in between? I won't? For the simple reason it breaks the routine. All of the sudden, female products need to be hidden ( female shame hasn't subsided there) you can't walk around with a towel only anymore (god forbid he would see that and think something) etc. Same for a man, sharing with other guys only - all of the sudden the typical ' male' talk is kind of censored cause you have to behave, she might take offense. I think in a house share situation it's just easier to share with same sex. It's very rare to see a balance 2 on 2 share situation and there's complications in that as well. Some might end up in a couple situation forming a front against the other 2. But,Ll should not have a preference.

Did you just arrive here from 1955?

Lux23

I always lived in mixed households but perhaps if my first houseshare was girls only I would have preferred to keep it that way.

tabby aspreme

GB FAN GALWAY 30 wrote: »

Surely if you're not filling the dishwasher the cycle cannot continue

I do fill the dishwasher, just can't do it properly, but apparently I'm very good at emptying it

The_Conductor

Guys- I'm not sure what part of my direction that this topic be taken elsewhere, was misunderstood.

Thread closed.