Why do people have a problem with men wearing 'womens' clothes?

jeanjolie

In 2017, we've progressed around the world on many things. Gender equality/non conformity is one of those though not too much and mostly restricted to wealthier parts of the Western World.

But even though a lot of people genuinely claim to be liberal even here in Ireland on many issues, they still take offense to a man of any wearing some high heels, ankle boots, or something as small as ugg boots. Even dating aside which I perfectly understand is entirely reasonable; You don't have to date a man who's feminine or a woman who's masculine.

Some people really have a problem with men wearing anything remotely feminine even though they won't date them and aren't close friends with them. Why is this? What's so bad about a man being a bit 'feminine'? Surely this is the next step towards reducing gender inequality. Not blokes being forced to wear skirts but have a much greater acceptance for those who do? Who are they hurting?

Faith+1

This is a man we're talking about?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

You're going to end up with carpel tunnel with the rate you're starting threads

silverharp

I think its more of an internet Twitter issue than a real life one as in how often would you actually see a man dressed in an overtly feminised way?

Hande hoche!

In my day the short arses used to wear new rocks.

Winterlong

Anyone can wear what they want as far as I am concerned. But I do not need to like it.
And if it looks stupid then it looks stupid. Be it a man wearing womens clothes, vice versa, or just people making bad fashion choices.
And then there is this.

B0jangles

I put it down to insecurity mostly - if your concept of what it is to be a Man is threatened by someone wearing one tube of cloth instead of two on their lower body or shoes with the wrong kind of heel then it's probably a wee bit fragile.

jeanjolie

silverharp wrote: »

I think its more of an internet Twitter issue than a real life one as in how often would you actually see a man dressed in an overtly feminised way?

Your saying that it's rare to see feminine men?

I completely agree with you to be honest. Men can get beaten up and do for wearing dresses, skirts, high heels in many places so it's obvious why we wouldn't see to many in Ireland doing that but even small things like feminine scarves, feminine hairstyles, feminine jeans are a rare sight on Irish men of all ages and everywhere in general. Though the 13-16 crowd has a higher frequency of feminine guys.

Ragnar Lothbrok

To be honest, I've never really understood why a man would want to wear women's clothing. The amount of time and effort it takes for a woman to get dressed when compared to slipping on a pair of jeans and a tee-shirt would put me off for starters!

On a more serious note, I've seen a couple of transvestites over the years and can honestly say that they just don't look good in general. Most men don't have the build for high heels and skirts, and probably don't get enough time to practice putting make-up on, so perhaps tend to overdo it.

However, if a bloke wants to wear make-up and women's clothing, it certainly doesn't bother me and it doesn't do anyone any harm. In fact, any man that's prepared to take the slagging he'd inevitably get for wearing women's clothes in public is a braver man than me!

jeanjolie

B0jangles wrote: »

I put it down to insecurity mostly - if your concept of what it is to be a Man is threatened by someone wearing one tube of cloth instead of two on their lower body or shoes with the wrong kind of heel then it's probably a wee bit fragile.

What about women though? I've had a row with my relatives on many things especially their distaste for non-gender conforming people when they came here. I just told my cousin to 'shut up' when she was visiting which I never tell anyone but I had to because she seemed to make not just one but several comments on guys with things legs, gay people etc..

jeanjolie

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

To be honest, I've never really understood why a man would want to wear women's clothing. The amount of time and effort it takes for a woman to get dressed when compared to slipping on a pair of jeans and a tee-shirt would put me off for starters!

On a more serious note, I've seen a couple of transvestites over the years and can honestly say that they just don't look good in general. Most men don't have the build for high heels and skirts, and probably don't get enough time to practice putting make-up on, so perhaps tend to overdo it.

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As sad as I am to see you say they don't look good...it's true tbh. But you have to remember most transvestites aren't trying to look like an 'elegantly androgynous pretty boy' but just transvestites. In fact I would dare say that men who do things like have long hair and dress in women's clothing still see themselves as 'masculine' and 'men'. I suppose it explains why guys with long hair never take care of it like women do. They vast majority aren't trying to look like women but redefining 'masculinity'.

When you say they don't look good is it because of their facial/body features (masculine jaw, tall, hairy), poorly picked out clothes or a mixture of both?

B0jangles

jeanjolie wrote: »

What about women though? I've had a row with my relatives on many things especially their distaste for non-gender conforming people when they came here. I just told my cousin to 'shut up' when she was visiting which I never tell anyone but I had to because she seemed to make not just one but several comments on guys with things legs, gay people etc..

Yeah? Women can have weird and restrictive ideas about what a Man ought to look like too, its a game anyone can play!

Pat Mustard

jeanjolie wrote: »

Some people really have a problem with men wearing anything remotely feminine even though they won't date them and aren't close friends with them. Why is this? What's so bad about a man being a bit 'feminine'? Surely this is the next step towards reducing gender inequality. Not blokes being forced to wear skirts but have a much greater acceptance for those who do? Who are they hurting?

There will be no justice in the world until men can pop out babies all by themselves.

#GenderEquality

Am I doing it right?

jeanjolie

Pat Mustard wrote: »

There will be no justice in the world until men can pop out babies all by themselves.

#GenderEquality

Am I doing it right?

Obviously that's ridiculous. I know people are getting sick of the gender equality movement and I know that there are some genuine differences between the sexes, but from what I've seen a fair amount of people are just ignorant assholes for no acceptable reason.

RockSalto

LexieOnRale wrote: »

You're going to end up with carpel tunnel with the rate you're starting threads

So will some AH posters at the rate they reply to them.

whisky_galore

Irish guys can barely pick out good looking male clothing for themselves, let alone pick out a dress.

They'd look like something out of a panto.

Pat Mustard

jeanjolie wrote: »

Obviously that's ridiculous. I know people are getting sick of the gender equality movement and I know that there are some genuine differences between the sexes, but from what I've seen a fair amount of people are just ignorant assholes for no acceptable reason.

Ah lighten up, Francis.

Triceratops Ballet

I wish more men had long hair, long hair on men is dreamy! throw in a bit of guyliner I'm sold!
I think some "feminine" boys look very good, more power to them

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Jobs OXO

Dunno how my sex stick would fit in a space designed for vjj's

angryIreGamer

i'm a lumberjack and i'm ok.

Dravokivich

Why do you always bring up a discussion that's generally negative towards men, or comparing men against women?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Becsuse people are scared of an evolving society and want to live in the past. Unfortunately this means moralising and ridiculing people who just want to live a slightly alternative life and eccerting a desire to control (i.e. deny) the 'freedons' of other people.

Take a look at some of the excuses in the children of same gendered-parenrs thread.

Boom_Bap

I'd love to know who all these people are that you are referring to OP.

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LadyMacBeth_

Wear whatever the hell you want, there's always someone who isn't going to like it no matter what.

I don't really know what you're talking about though OP because men/boys especially under the age of 22/23 are generally more feminine looking than I remember them being when I was that age. I started college at the age of 23 in 2011 and I saw plenty of guys in skinny jeans, scarves, floppy hair and tight little t-shirts. Stereotyping yes but I assumed that some of them were gay when they actually weren't. I actually do like guys with long hair and eyeliner, think it looks hot.

Cee-Jay-Cee

OP if you want to wear women's clothes then that's your business but don't expect people to ignore it like it's not fùcking downright weird. They're 'womens' clothes, the clue is in the name.

ScumLord

Most women's clothes are uncomfortable and impractical, they make doing everything harder, they don't protect you from the whether, you have to avoid things like cracks in the ground or anything other than completely even surfaces.

I think it's more likely that women will start wearing more and more mens clothes when there's a revolution against the beauty industry, in 100 years time women will look back on today and think today's women were nuts for all the effort they spend on clothes and makeup.

whisky_galore

ScumLord wrote: »

Most women's clothes are uncomfortable and impractical,

There's no pockets in most of them!

And what's more, they're mainly tailored and sized to fit women.

Triceratops Ballet

ScumLord wrote: »

Most women's clothes are uncomfortable and impractical, they make doing everything harder

really not true, I'm in a lovely dress today and it doesn't make my life any more difficult, in fact I'd say it makes me much more comfortable than my male colleagues who are bound my convention in their shirts and trousers

ScumLord wrote: »

I think it's more likely that women will start wearing more and more mens clothes

actually I find mens clothes very uncomfortable, they're not cut right for the shape of a womans body.

lawred2

jeanjolie wrote: »

In 2017, we've progressed around the world on many things. Gender equality/non conformity is one of those though not too much and mostly restricted to wealthier parts of the Western World.

But even though a lot of people genuinely claim to be liberal even here in Ireland on many issues, they still take offense to a man of any wearing some high heels, ankle boots, or something as small as ugg boots. Even dating aside which I perfectly understand is entirely reasonable; You don't have to date a man who's feminine or a woman who's masculine.

Some people really have a problem with men wearing anything remotely feminine even though they won't date them and aren't close friends with them. Why is this? What's so bad about a man being a bit 'feminine'? Surely this is the next step towards reducing gender inequality. Not blokes being forced to wear skirts but have a much greater acceptance for those who do? Who are they hurting?

what are you on about?

whoopsadoodles

ScumLord wrote: »

Most women's clothes are uncomfortable and impractical, they make doing everything harder, they don't protect you from the whether, you have to avoid things like cracks in the ground or anything other than completely even surfaces.
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I think you're getting clothes and high heels mixed up!

Berserker

Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »

On a more serious note, I've seen a couple of transvestites over the years and can honestly say that they just don't look good in general.

You've seen a couple of transvestites who stood out like a sore thumb because of their physical build. I'd put money on it that you've walked by many more in your day to day life without knowing they were men dressed as women. Lad I went to school with lives as a women and you would never know unless you spoke to him.

B0jangles

dottie_lottie wrote: »

really not true, I'm in a lovely dress today and it doesn't make my life any more difficult, in fact I'd say it makes me much more comfortable than my male colleagues who are bound my convention in their shirts and trousers


actually I find mens clothes very uncomfortable, they're not cut right for the shape of a womans body.

Yeah, skirts/dresses are really comfortable, and as long as they are not super short or super long and billowy, they are as practical to wear for a lot of activities as most styles of trousers. I find jeans (ones without any elastane/lycra) tend to restrict your movement much more.

Elmer Blooker

As Ray Davies is 73 today (thanks Ronan Collins for that piece of trivia) I think this song is appropriate. I always find the lyrics very amusing.
" ... walked like a woman and talked like a man"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaecsIUETYA

Dirty Dingus McGee

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Becsuse people are scared of an evolving society and want to live in the past. Unfortunately this means moralising and ridiculing people who just want to live a slightly alternative life and eccerting a desire to control (i.e. deny) the 'freedons' of other people.

Take a look at some of the excuses in the children of same gendered-parenrs thread.

Nah.It's because men who decide to wear womens clothes would end up looking like ****ing idiots and most men don't really want to do that.Also I don't think fashion designers have gotten arund to designing dresses for men.

riffmongous

Sure most men wore 'dresses' here in Ireland up to about 400 years ago, it never bothered a gallowglass

jeanjolie

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Nah.It's because men who decide to wear womens clothes would end up looking like ****ing idiots and most men don't really want to do that.Also I don't think fashion designers have gotten arund to designing dresses for men.

I don't see how it looks worse than wearing an all out tracksuit 'uniform' that 'certain' people wear with pants sometimes falling out

Could you tell me why the latter is more accepted than men looking ridiculous in 'ugg boots'?

osarusan

Never heard the term guyliner until today.

Pat Mustard

osarusan wrote: »

Never heard the term guyliner until today.

Some fellas wear skintight leggings for climbing/hillwalking.

Some others call them 'guylons'.

I haven't seen them in the pub though.

RocketRaccoon

My wife showed me photos from a Facebook page called beauty box yesterday. It was of a man, full beard and long hair asking how certain high heel shoes and outfits looked on him. Not one person would be honest and upfront and tell him he looked ridiculous.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Nah.It's because men who decide to wear womens clothes would end up looking like ****ing idiots and most men don't really want to do that.Also I don't think fashion designers have gotten arund to designing dresses for men.

Some do, some don't, a lot don't care.

There are dresses for men, but mostly designed by the more iconic designers and very expensive.

Glenster

OP is obsessed with the differences between men and women.

He must have started 30 threads about it in the last 30 days.

GerryDerpy

I am so glad that the weird folk on the internet don't show their face in real life.

Wear the dress if you can take the slagging.

silverharp

Pat Mustard wrote: »

Some fellas wear skintight leggings for climbing/hillwalking.

Some others call them 'guylons'.

I haven't seen them in the pub though.

good motivation to walk faster and pass out said individual :pac:

Pac1Man

Glenster wrote: »

OP is obsessed with the differences between men and women.

He must have started 30 threads about it in the last 30 days.

This is what the introduction of safe spaces produces.

inforfun

That reason enough, OP?

whisky_galore

http://www.breakingnews.ie/discover/man-sent-home-from-work-for-wearing-shorts-returns-in-dress-794518.html

Madagascan

Well women have been dressing as men for years!
It's still seen as unusual I suppose.

spurious

riffmongous wrote: »

Sure most men wore 'dresses' here in Ireland up to about 400 years ago, it never bothered a gallowglass

...and 'men' wear long flowing dresses in most of the Arab world and most countries in Africa. No biggie.

9or10

Generally I find, you see some nice things but they don't come in big sizes. Shoes especially.