Hkc securewatch, wireless?

Murray13

Hello,
I've recently moved to a new house and the alarm that is fitted is a Hkc securewatch. I want to find out if the model I have is wireless? Or can be converted to wireless. The wires in the current system are a mess and I want to install wireless sensors if posible.
See photos below.
Board

Panel

Thanks!

altor

Murray13 wrote: »

Hello,
I've recently moved to a new house and the alarm that is fitted is a Hkc securewatch. I want to find out if the model I have is wireless? Or can be converted to wireless. The wires in the current system are a mess and I want to install wireless sensors if posible.
See photos below.
Board

Panel

Thanks!

Thats a 8/12 Securewatch system you have.
The Securewave system is the one that you can add wire free devices too.

You have a few fee zones in that panel if you wanted to add a quickbridge plus wirefree devices to it.

KoolKid

Murray13 wrote: »

Hello,
I've recently moved to a new house and the alarm that is fitted is a Hkc securewatch. I want to find out if the model I have is wireless? Or can be converted to wireless. The wires in the current system are a mess and I want to install wireless sensors if posible.
See photos below.
Board

Panel

Thanks!

Whats the wiring around the house like?
If the property is pre-wired its just the panel that needs a little TLC.
It wouldn't take much to tidy that up.
Plenty of options if you do want to upgrade to wireless,

Murray13

Thanks for the replies.
I am having all the wiring redone in the house and I would like to use wireless sensors on all doors and windows.
@koolkid The alarm we have works fine but the wires for the alarm have been installed badly and are blocking windows from opening fully, getting in the way of hinges, etc. Replacing the current system fully is probably not possible with our budget right now.

@altor I have 3 doors and 10 windows. I would prefer to use the system I have and replace ALL the sensors with wireless. Do you think that is possible with the quick bridge?
We will be adding some more doors and windows in the coming months and I figure wireless would be much cleaner to install.

KoolKid

To add wireless devices onto your existing system would be a little messy. You would have to have a separate wireless quickbridge receiver and then wire from that into the panel.
For jobs like this we would use the GSD i1070 hybrid panel. It would allow you to add and mix wired and wireless devices.
https://app.box.com/s/w9nrem10jzuq8pe991mv4ckucnt8fqom

kub

So you now want the OP, who specifically said that he/ she cannot afford a new alarm to rip out a perfectly functioning HKC panel?
And of course not to replace it with a HKC 10/70 which as you well know is hybrid also.
So much for giving all options 🀣

KoolKid

Are you just going to rant in every thread. You haven't even posted an opinion.
That's why I started off asking the condition of the existing wiring etc. The cost and mess of adding a quick bridge receiver and separate sensors would be eqcually as costly.
He's trying to tidy up the job not make it more complicated.

kub

So why would the OP consider another manufacturers control panel?

KoolKid

He needs wireless either way, why wouldn't he?

Murray13

I want to get rid of all wires to windows and doors.
What kind of price are we talking retro fit current system to be wirefree including all sensors(with quick bridge) V's buying a whole new wire free system (SecureWave)

Evolution1

Op you can add a quik bridge to your perfectly working 8/12 panel to allow additional sensors.
If having the house rewired you should keep wired sensors and break up the zones as much as possible. You can also add point ID wired smart sensors

HKC also have a module that will allow you to control your alarm system from a smart phone app using the mobile phone network which will continue to work during a power outage. Search for the HKC app on YouTube.



Cost wise you'd be better off replacing the panel with a HKC 10/70 then to use a quik bridge.
The HKC 10/70 is the 8/12s replacement

KoolKid

Murray13 wrote: »

I want to get rid of all wires to windows and doors.
What kind of price are we talking retro fit current system to be wirefree including all sensors(with quick bridge) V's buying a whole new wire free system (SecureWave)

As you said, you want to tidy up the whole system. If the surface wiring is poor there is no point taking down the existing sensors and replacing with point ID as suggested. This will still require the existing wiring.
Using a quick bridge is an option but it's making the panel end of the job a bit messy and more complicated.
Are you looking at installing this yourself or getting a professional in.
Equipment wise there wouldn't be a lot of difference between adding a quick bridge vs Panel and Keypad.
As always, shop around and get a few quotes if you are going for a professional installation.
If you are looking at apps etc definitely shop around prices here vary from free right up to €18 a month etc. You could very well end up tied to payments for the life of the system that will cost significantly more than the installation itself.

Evolution1

KoolKid wrote: »

As you said, you want to tidy up the whole system. If the surface wiring is poor there is no point taking down the existing sensors and replacing with point ID as suggested. This will still require the existing wiring.
Using a quick bridge is an option but it's making the panel end of the job a bit messy and more complicated.
Are you looking at installing this yourself or getting a professional in.
Equipment wise there wouldn't be a lot of difference between adding a quick bridge vs Panel and Keypad.
As always, shop around and get a few quotes if you are going for a professional installation.
If you are looking at apps etc definitely shop around prices here vary from free right up to €18 a month etc. You could very well end up tied to payments for the life of the system that will cost significantly more than the installation itself.

You should probably read the part of my post re the house bring rewired.
Get lost with your Free this and that tales I've covered it all in my post . Your free systems won't work in a power outage

kub

KoolKid wrote:

He needs wireless either way, why wouldn't he?

In his OP he mentioned Securewave, HKC make those.
Again you have failed to give the OP all the options, but you keep saying you do.

You don't end of story.

KoolKid

I mentioned free all the way up, and ye still come back complaing about free .. Are you just going to drag up your same row for every thread?
It's really getting boring now..
People will choose what they want get over it.
UTC, Risco, Visonic and Pyronix etc also do wireless. Didn't see you offer anything other than your sponsors HKC.
I'd say people are seeing through all the free promotional posts at this stage.

kub

KoolKid wrote:

As always, shop around and get a few quotes if you are going for a professional installation. If you are looking at apps etc definitely shop around prices here vary from free right up to €18 a month etc. You could very well end up tied to payments for the life of the system that will cost significantly more than the installation itself.

Would you mind please notifying the OP of the implications of FREE.

kub

Evolution 1, do HKC pay you to tell folk here how flexible and good their products are?

Because if they do, as KK mentioned I am very disappointed I am not getting payed by them

KoolKid

kub wrote: »

Would you mind please notifying the OP of the implications of FREE.

I'll make you a deal. I will post the vulnerabilities of everything in every post when you post all the vulnerabilities of everything you offer in every post.

Now we can do this circle for you in every post you want to drag it up in or we can move on , post our own recommendations and let the posters decides.

kub

KoolKid wrote:

Now we can do this circle for you in every post you want to drag it up in or we can move on , post our own recommendations and let the posters decides.

AH so you are admitting now that you will not give people all the options, just anything that is not HKC.

kub

KoolKid wrote:

I'll make you a deal. I will post the vulnerabilities of everything in every post when you post all the vulnerabilities of everything you offer in every post.

I have told you, you mention free and I will ask you to please notify whom ever you are offering it too on a public forum the vulnerabilities of that.

Evolution1

God I wish HKC would sponsor me. Wonder what could I get out of them ? KK do you think I should ask them to sponsor me ? Oh jeez I dunno. I mean they do sell the most popular and reliable system in the country !

Yes KK please go into detail about how your free system will alert end users in the event of a power fail. Also go into detail about how the system will alert them should they go out of 3G/4G coverage ? How will they get alerts then ?

KoolKid

kub wrote: »

I have told you, you mention free and I will ask you to please notify whom ever you are offering it too on a public forum the vulnerabilities of that.

And I will list vulnerabilities on everything I mention when you do likewise with all your options.
We have been around this over & over . Every system & every form of notifications has vulnerabilities. Every sensor .every contact every bell every dialler etc etc etc. Are you going to drag up every vulnerability on every thread?
All the information on the apps is in the sticky. Really no need for to drag every thread into the same silly argument just because you system of choice has no free option while all others do.

kub

I told you on that thread I would pick you every time you mention free or fail to do what you claim and give people all the options.
So why are you surprised?

Now also, please tell me this, while we are here on the public forum, why is it that you have chosen not to enter a debate with me in the private installers forum?
Is that because you feel you have to perform out here?

kub

KoolKid wrote:

And I will list vulnerabilities on everything I mention when you do likewise with all your options. We have been around this over & over . Every system & every form of notifications has vulnerabilities. Every sensor .every contact every bell every dialler etc etc etc. Are you going to drag up every vulnerability on every thread? All the information on the apps is in the sticky. Really no need for to drag every thread into the same silly argument just because you system of choice has no free option while all others do.

Oh and the most vulnerable are the free ones.
Now as Evolution pointed out some very interesting points above, would you please answer his quiries, because I am looking forward to your response

KoolKid

Evolution1 wrote: »

Yes KK please go into detail about how your free system will alert end users in the event of a power fail. Also go into detail about how the system will alert them should they go out of 3G/4G coverage ? How will they get alerts then ?

It really depends on what system you have set up. But I am more than happy to help you with the ones you don't seem to understand.
You could have a voice dialler over PSTN line.
You could have a GSM dialler .
You could use a wireless/GPRS ISP provider that would not be reliant on mains power.
Very presumptuous for you to come onto a public forum stating that all free options , or options without subscriptions would not work without mains power when you do not know the configuration of any given job.
Its amazing what some people will say to promote one system.
As you know there are other options for Apps with GPRS back up if users are happy to pay for subscriptions.
There is plenty of information in the sticky here that might help you.
You may also find this post helpful in the comparison on the paid GSM/GPRS back up options.
If you have any further questions on this it might be more beneficial to all if you posted them in the sticky.;)

KoolKid

kub wrote: »

Now also, please tell me this, while we are here on the public forum, why is it that you have chosen not to enter a debate with me in the private installers forum?
Is that because you feel you have to perform out here?

I don't think you should be discussing the content of a private forum out here do you?
We have done all the debate and you went around in circles, you still are.
I have suggested numerous times adding any new information to the sticky.
I noticed you haven't mentioned any of the vulnerabilities on your paid services.
Notably this one where customers didn't get any notification their monitoring/notification service , which they are paying for, was down.:eek:
Lets hope there is more redundancy when they start their own monitoring service shortly.

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

It really depends on what system you have set up. But I am more than happy to help you with the ones you don't seem to understand.
You could have a voice dialler over PSTN line.
You could have a GSM dialler .
You could use a wireless/GPRS ISP provider that would not be reliant on mains power.
Very presumptuous for you to come onto a public forum stating that all free options , or options without subscriptions would not work without mains power when you do not know the configuration of any given job.
Its amazing what some people will say to promote one system.
As you know there are other options for Apps with GPRS back up if users are happy to pay for subscriptions.
There is plenty of information in the sticky here that might help you.
You may also find this post helpful in the comparison on the paid GSM/GPRS back up options.
If you have any further questions on this it might be more beneficial to all if you posted them in the sticky.;)

That seems very patronsing KK, please expand for me so, how do these super duper systems you peddle, that I might add provide Free notification and Free Apps.
How do they notify you, if you are out of 3g and 4 g coverage?

Is it possible prey tell ?

KoolKid

Not trying to be patronising, just friendly. I find it much better than the aggressive guys who feel the need to jump into every post with the same questions that they really should know the answers to.
I think you might need to do some research.
Again I am not the one peddling one brand here so it would really depend on which system you use. There are really plenty to choose from when you do a bit of research.
A Voice Dialler would notify you if you are out of data coverage
A Text dialler would notify you if you were out of 3/4G coverage
Emails can be received without coverage on your phone.
There are multiple other options to convert different notifications to text/voice as you well know but you never seem keen on telling anyone about them.
Not to mention all those free messaging centres around. Oh wait, we better not talk about them here they are free, what about some peoples ongoing subscriptions.:eek:

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

I don't think you should be discussing the content of a private forum out here do you?
We have done all the debate and you went around in circles, you still are.
I have suggested numerous times adding any new information to the sticky.
I noticed you haven't mentioned any of the vulnerabilities on your paid services.
Notably this one where customers didn't get any notification their monitoring/notification service , which they are paying for, was down.:eek:
Lets hope there is more redundancy when they start their own monitoring service shortly.

Well if you are not prepared to debate with me in there, well we will just have to debate out here then. I have not discussed anything in there, would you like me to cut and paste my invitation to you in there, you know the one you never responded too ? I have a feeling I might get a reaction out here amongst your fans and devoted followers .

The vulnerabilities of the payed services are way up the standard compared to the free false sense of security you are peddling.

Oh and with regard to that HKC Text thing, I don't suppose you were at any of the installer roadshow events were you? Of course you were not :rolleyes:
anyway, word is anyone with that issue is to contact their installer.

As i previously said HKC are not ComReg, if people have an issue with what their phone lines can and cannot do any longer, they need to take it up with ComReg

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

Not trying to be patronising, just friendly. I find it much better than the aggressive guys who feel the need to jump into every post with the same questions that they really should know the answers to.
I think you might need to do some research.
Again I am not the one peddling one brand here so it would really depend on which system you use. There are really plenty to choose from when you do a bit of research.
A Voice Dialler would notify you if you are out of data coverage
A Text dialler would notify you if you were out of 3/4G coverage
Emails can be received without coverage on your phone.
There are multiple other options to convert different notifications to text/voice as you well know but you never seem keen on telling anyone about them.
Not to mention all those free messaging centres around. Oh wait, we better not talk about them here they are free, what about some peoples ongoing subscriptions.:eek:

Well reading what you just wrote there, you have me smiling, so you are admitting in a roundabout way that the Free Notification cannot contact you so if you are out of 4g and 3g.
Am I the agressive guy?
Now KK you should know better than to be promoting things that at the rate of change in Irish telecommuncations will no longer be able to work soon.
In order for a text to get to you, then you have to pay a subscription to someone, see that is not free, so is it relevant?
I don't need to peddle any brand, I use the best manufacturers systems as i want to give my customers quality so we use Vanderbilt and HKC.
Now what is so upsetting about Vanderbilt or is it just HKC that upsets you?

KoolKid

So you just wish to highlight the issues with free services & not the paid ones.
Or maybe just not the HKC ones...
So are you just going to hijack everyone's thread for your own agenda?
Why not just start your own thread?

kub wrote: »

Oh and with regard to that HKC Text thing, I don't suppose you were at any of the installer roadshow events were you? Of course you were not :rolleyes:
anyway, word is anyone with that issue is to contact their installer.

As i previously said HKC are not ComReg, if people have an issue with what their phone lines can and cannot do any longer, they need to take it up with ComReg

Your presumption knows no ends. You just presume what events I attend or not.I might head to ISEC soon. Better keep my receipt I suppose just in case I need to prove anything.
So now a customer paying for a notification service has to notify their installer if the service goes down. I for one would prefer to be notifying the customer first if they are paying for a service thats not working. As it was mentioned at the road shows its clearly known about. Many thanks for confirming that. So if you knew about an issue with a customers comms connections would you not be the one notifying them?
Ant then you pass the buck to Comreg? :eek: Customers kine has a problem & they have no monitoring service & your response is they need to take it up with com reg.
I have to say that is a very poor attitude towards a paying customer.
And when the free options go down they send a notification within a few minutes. People are finding out about this weeks later.:eek:

KoolKid

kub wrote: »

Well reading what you just wrote there, you have me smiling, so you are admitting in a roundabout way that the Free Notification cannot contact you so if you are out of 4g and 3g.
Am I the agressive guy?
Now KK you should know better than to be promoting things that at the rate of change in Irish telecommuncations will no longer be able to work soon.
In order for a text to get to you, then you have to pay a subscription to someone, see that is not free, so is it relevant?
I don't need to peddle any brand, I use the best manufacturers systems as i want to give my customers quality so we use Vanderbilt and HKC.
Now what is so upsetting about Vanderbilt or is it just HKC that upsets you?

You appear to be a little confused..
A voice dialler give a free notification would you not receive that if you were put of 3/4g coverage..
As for other text/alert options you really need to do some research. There are lots of options out there that can be free. There are also lot of other options that can give you alerts & app back up for a lot less than €60 per year.
Vanderbilt have an option of a 3G GSM dialler as a back up for the app & text notifications etc. That works out cheaper than €60 per year with the fastest polling around. How come we never see you promoting them?

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

So you just wish to highlight the issues with free services & not the paid ones.
Or maybe just not the HKC ones...
So are you just going to hijack everyone's thread for your own agenda?
Why not just start your own thread?


Your presumption knows no ends. You just presume what events I attend or not.I might head to ISEC soon. Better keep my receipt I suppose just in case I need to prove anything.
So now a customer paying for a notification service has to notify their installer if the service goes down. I for one would prefer to be notifying the customer first if they are paying for a service thats not working. As it was mentioned at the road shows its clearly known about. Many thanks for confirming that. So if you knew about an issue with a customers comms connections would you not be the one notifying them?
Ant then you pass the buck to Comreg? :eek: Customers kine has a problem & they have no monitoring service & your response is they need to take it up with com reg.
I have to say that is a very poor attitude towards a paying customer.
And when the free options go down they send a notification within a few minutes. People are finding out about this weeks later.:eek:

Right, your first question, I have told you a lot of times and i will keep telling you until it sinks in that if you mention the word Free, I will come on, whatever thread you are on and i will ensure you spell out the vulnerabilites to that persons ' security :rolleyes:' system. Basic vulnerabilities at that.

BUT I DID START MY OWN THREAD IN THE PRIVATE FORUM, WHY ARE YOU NOT DEBATING WITH ME IN THERE? IS IT STAGE FRIGHT..
I put that thread up in there as soon as Stoner closed the other one, but i am sure you know that already.

I am not talking about ISEC, I am talking about HKC's roadshow and you know it too, or maybe you don't

The issue with informing the customer first in this reagrd is, you would need a crystal ball to know what areas will be affected which no one knows.
Oh but you are that wonderful, I suppose you can sense these things, be quite you are sounding silly now.

Who is talking about Monitoring? Who mentioned Monitoring please?

Evolution1

KoolKid wrote: »

It really depends on what system you have set up. But I am more than happy to help you with the ones you don't seem to understand.
You could have a voice dialler over PSTN line.
You could have a GSM dialler .
You could use a wireless/GPRS ISP provider that would not be reliant on mains power.
Very presumptuous for you to come onto a public forum stating that all free options , or options without subscriptions would not work without mains power when you do not know the configuration of any given job.
Its amazing what some people will say to promote one system.
As you know there are other options for Apps with GPRS back up if users are happy to pay for subscriptions.
There is plenty of information in the sticky here that might help you.
You may also find this post helpful in the comparison on the paid GSM/GPRS back up options.
If you have any further questions on this it might be more beneficial to all if you posted them in the sticky.;)

No you're grand I don't think anyone here would look for your "help". Yes we are aware that you can pay for backups for the free systems or else's they won't work in the event of a power fail. So they aren't FREE !!!

Phone lines are not free ( line rental costs more than HKCs basic package) you won't get alerts of a line cut. Who even uses landlines. It's silly to think a home owner will have a landline installed just to allow the alarm dial out as a backup

GSM diallers are not free as they require SIM cards.

Wireless gprs/isps are again not free.

I don't get your point here ? You've confirmed that unless paying for another option your free push notifications won't reach your device if the mains is gone or the phone line cut.

Virgin. Useless for mains backup even with a UPS
Sky/Eir/Vodafone . Useless with a pair of snips
Imagine WiMAX . Useless with a pair of snips


You're the one trying to hide all the facts and offer a free system which are useless should the power go simply because you have an issue with HKC. The rest of us are offering a system which will work regardless of broadband and yes it costs €4.99 per month. Covers voice push notifictions and SMS alerts
Are you going to hijack every thread with your free free free nonsense ? Do you see me going into the Siemens or visonic thread and preaching to use HKC gear ?

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

You appear to be a little confused..
A voice dialler give a free notification would you not receive that if you were put of 3/4g coverage..
As for other text/alert options you really need to do some research. There are lots of options out there that can be free. There are also lot of other options that can give you alerts & app back up for a lot less than ?60 per year.
Vanderbilt have an option of a 3G GSM dialler as a back up for the app & text notifications etc. That works out cheaper than ?60 per year with the fastest polling around. How come we never see you promoting them?

ME CONFUSED, NOT AT ALL, MORE LIKE YOU ARE. Here you are tonight blowing about voice diallers and free text alerts while last night in response to a query on another thread here, you said;

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spongerobinson
Would also be curious to know this. Had a SecureText system stop working recently with Vodafone. Had opted out of their VOIP changeover. Latest phone bill shows when the alarm goes off, it's dialing out to the HKC number over and over again, until it presumably gives up.

All phone lines are eventually going like this.Too many providers & too many variables.The landlines days are numbered.Time to move on


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

You are a funny man

Oh and in case you forgot, it is the last post of this thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057751064

Evolution1

kub wrote: »

ME CONFUSED, NOT AT ALL, MORE LIKE YOU ARE. Here you are tonight blowing about voice diallers and free text alerts while last night in response to a query on another thread here, you said;

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spongerobinson
Would also be curious to know this. Had a SecureText system stop working recently with Vodafone. Had opted out of their VOIP changeover. Latest phone bill shows when the alarm goes off, it's dialing out to the HKC number over and over again, until it presumably gives up.

All phone lines are eventually going like this.Too many providers & too many variables.The landlines days are numbered.Time to move on


:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

You are a funny man

Copped that myself today ! Funny man is right 🀣😂🀣😂

KoolKid

kub wrote: »

Right, your first question, I have told you a lot of times and i will keep telling you until it sinks in that if you mention the word Free, I will come on, whatever thread you are on and i will ensure you spell out the vulnerabilites to that persons ' security :rolleyes:' system. Basic vulnerabilities at that.

And yet you don't mention your own vulnerabilities with your system of choice.
Nice sales speel yet again.
All systems have vulnerabilities, yet you just happen to keep homing in on the ones your system of choice doesn't offer . Even after I have shown various options both free & paid for that are equal to or cheaper & equal to or better in notifications , you still harp back to the same thing, almost to the point of obsession at this stage.

kub wrote: »

BUT I DID START MY OWN THREAD IN THE PRIVATE FORUM, WHY ARE YOU NOT DEBATING WITH ME IN THERE? IS IT STAGE FRIGHT..
I put that thread up in there as soon as Stoner closed the other one, but i am sure you know that already.

I know & I have no interest in it. I have told you that numerous times. It must be really bothering you.If it makes you feel better coming out with stage fright etc, go ahead.If you want to keep debating it out here go ahead. But I'm sure people will get bored with this hijacking of every thread just for your own obvious agenda.

kub wrote: »

I am not talking about ISEC, I am talking about HKC's roadshow and you know it too, or maybe you don't

Was there meant to be a question here? Apologies , I'm not sure what point your trying to make.

kub wrote: »

The issue with informing the customer first in this reagrd is, you would need a crystal ball to know what areas will be affected which no one knows.
Oh but you are that wonderful, I suppose you can sense these things, be quite you are sounding silly now.

But it was brought up at the road show so they do know about it.Simple solution here is notify everyone and ask them to test.
What would you do if there was an issue with customers test calls over a PSTN line?
Blame comreg & everyone else.?
If this was any other company you would be over it like a rash. Sure you hopped onto this thread to have a go at Vanderbilt /Siemens for something that was local to one customer.

kub wrote: »

Who is talking about Monitoring? Who mentioned Monitoring please?

All of us apparently.

KoolKid

kub wrote: »

ME CONFUSED, NOT AT ALL, MORE LIKE YOU ARE. Here you are tonight blowing about voice diallers and free text alerts while last night in response to a query on another thread here, you said;

All phone lines are eventually going like this.Too many providers & too many variables.The landlines days are numbered.Time to move on

If you are going to quote me please do it right. (Anyway I tidied it up for you.;)
Yes I said that , the whole world knows it. But we still use whats there.
Have you no systems still monitored over PSTN?
Lots of things we are using now are on the way out.whats your point?

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

And yet you don't mention your own vulnerabilities with your system of choice.
Nice sales speel yet again.
All systems have vulnerabilities, yet you just happen to keep homing in on the ones your system of choice doesn't offer . Even after I have shown various options both free & paid for that are equal to or cheaper & equal to or better in notifications , you still harp back to the same thing, almost to the point of obsession at this stage..

I know now after that post above that you are getting very confused.
'My own vulnerabilities with my system of choice' what like some sort of a physological issue is it ?

All systems do have vulnerabilities, just so happens that the Free ones you promote have the most and easiest vulnerabilities.
As long as you are going to refuse to enter into debate in the private forum, then i will keep persisting in following you up out here.
Oh and note too that some of your paid options are as you said yourself, on the way out :rolleyes:

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

I know & I have no interest in it. I have told you that numerous times. It must be really bothering you.If it makes you feel better coming out with stage fright etc, go ahead.If you want to keep debating it out here go ahead. But I'm sure people will get bored with this hijacking of every thread just for your own obvious agenda.

I will indeed keep picking you u out here when you start coming out with those Free notifications and also if not surprisingly one of those Free notifications goes down

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

Was there meant to be a question here? Apologies , I'm not sure what point your trying to make.

I doubt you would waste your time going, although you might, i can just picture you walking up and down outside with a placard

KoolKid

kub wrote: »

I know now after that post above that you are getting very confused.
'My own vulnerabilities with my system of choice' what like some sort of a physological issue is it ?

All systems do have vulnerabilities, just so happens that the Free ones you promote have the most and easiest vulnerabilities.
As long as you are going to refuse to enter into debate in the private forum, then i will keep persisting in following you up out here.
Oh and note too that some of your paid options are as you said yourself, on the way out :rolleyes:

We have done the debate, we have gone over both the free options & the paid options. But you also ignore the paid options because there are cheaper comparable options to what you are offering.
We have debated about the free options. A poster even came on your last thread and told you what he wanted & what he didn't & you still went on.
We even wend down the all comms fail options where your system of choice doesn't notify you for 90 minutes etc ,. But you just keep bouncing back to the word that upsets you so much FREE.
Yes there are free options, yes there are multiple paid option & there appear to be lots in between you either don't know about our don't understand.
No if you want to start another debate feel free to start another thread & we'll do it all again. But its really getting boring at this stage & I would like to move on with helping people here.

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

But it was brought up at the road show so they do know about it.Simple solution here is notify everyone and ask them to test.
What would you do if there was an issue with customers test calls over a PSTN line?
Blame comreg & everyone else.?
If this was any other company you would be over it like a rash. Sure you hopped onto this thread to have a go at Vanderbilt /Siemens for something that was local to one customer.

No i would not blame everyone else, see a few posts back you recommended voice diallers, knowing, as you did last night that these would not work into the future, that is not too professional now is it?

No i jumped onto that thread as that was the result of what can happen when the Free option is used.

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

All of us apparently.

No we are discussing notification not professional monitoring, because that costs money.

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

If you are going to quote me please do it right. (Anyway I tidied it up for you.;)
Yes I said that , the whole world knows it. But we still use whats there.
Have you no systems still monitored over PSTN?
Lots of things we are using now are on the way out.whats your point?

Is it the way you cannot remember what you post or what?

When we discussed failure of notifcations in the event of your device being out of 3g and 4 g coverage, your solution was a voice dialler and a text dialler, both of which may not currently and most certaily will not work soon, so what was your point in bringing them into the equation?

kub

KoolKid wrote: »

We have done the debate, we have gone over both the free options & the paid options. But you also ignore the paid options because there are cheaper comparable options to what you are offering.
We have debated about the free options. A poster even came on your last thread and told you what he wanted & what he didn't & you still went on.
We even wend down the all comms fail options where your system of choice doesn't notify you for 90 minutes etc ,. But you just keep bouncing back to the word that upsets you so much FREE.
Yes there are free options, yes there are multiple paid option & there appear to be lots in between you either don't know about our don't understand.
No if you want to start another debate feel free to start another thread & we'll do it all again. But its really getting boring at this stage & I would like to move on with helping people here.

Oh yes that is right, the poster who could not log on here for a few days because his broadband was in trouble, that same broadband that you were recommending for his self free notification.
Again, not really too professional that is it?

What are these cheaper comparable offerings again please? How could they be comparable when they are not connected to a superior system?

Which is my system of choice? HKC or Vanderbilt?

I do keep bouncing back to Free, because it is not real security that you as a so called professional is offering people.

Again for the 3rd time, there is a thread in the Private Forum just awaiting your input.

I understand all options, you need not worry about what I know or don't.

Evolution1

KK you haven't a clue with regard to HKCs polling times do you ? Log in via your SmartLink account and you'll see the polling times

With regards to vulnerabilities what exactly would you like to know ?

Mod Edit.

These comments were offered as an option, but I'm removing them anyway as some might view them as Ott

Stoner

Lads, Kub and Koolkid,

you guys have a private forum to try to reduce the amount of derails.

I had to ask you both to not post in a thread last week too.

Please sort your differences out somewhere else.

Time to take a break for a few days each .

Note the addition to the charter on three strikes.

Secure Solutions

Evolution1, which panel / system are you referring to as Koolkid system of choice that has problems?

Evolution1

Will discuss with you in the private thread.

Secure Solutions

I am not currently in the private thread, sent enquiry to join but not sure of process or who to talk to.
If you have identified legimate problems, why not clarify here?