Pre 08 cars - shocking waste

ankles

I'm getting a new (ish) car and so my faithful 2006 Mazda will no longer be my steed of choice. I bought it new and like many a Mazda there hadn't been a moments trouble from it. Yet as a pre 08 car I literally can't give it away. With a 1.8l petrol engine the tax is €600 and so it languishes on adverts.ie. I just think it's a tragic waste of what is a good reliable car.

This isn't an ad but more the General point. There must be loads of solid run forever type cars out there that but for a year or two are now unsellable. Is anything being done with these or are they just quietly scrapped? Would love mine to get a new home rather than being crushed 😔

Tombo2001

ankles wrote: »

I'm getting a new (ish) car and so my faithful 2006 Mazda will no longer be my steed of choice. I bought it new and like many a Mazda there hadn't been a moments trouble from it. Yet as a pre 08 car I literally can't give it away. With a 1.8l petrol engine the tax is €600 and so it languishes on adverts.ie. I just think it's a tragic waste of what is a good reliable car.

This isn't an ad but more the General point. There must be loads of solid run forever type cars out there that but for a year or two are now unsellable. Is anything being done with these or are they just quietly scrapped? Would love mine to get a new home rather than being crushed 😔

You want to get rid of a perfectly good car?

Why?

And therein I suspect is the reason that you cant sell it.

If its not good enough for you, then why is it good enough for someone else?

Tombo2001

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Where in his post does the OP say its not good enough for them? Maybe the OP needs a bigger/smaller car or just fancies a change.

Well go on then, whats your answer to what the OP said.

Avatar MIA

Tombo2001 wrote: »

Well go on then, whats your answer to what the OP said.

After 12 years, a lot of marriages don't last that long. The Op wants a change. Reason enough.

Bio Mech

Literally cant give it away or actually cant give it away?

What price are you trying to give it away for? Lower the price and it might sell.

Tombo2001

Avatar MIA wrote: »

After 12 years, a lot of marriages don't last that long. The Op wants a change. Reason enough.

OP asked why no one else wants (to pay for) it.

frozenfrozen

600 euro tax isn't that bad at all

Avatar MIA

Tombo2001 wrote: »

OP asked why no one else wants (to pay for) it.

And you said...

Tombo2001 wrote: »

If its not good enough for you, then why is it good enough for someone else?

It should be good enough for someone, and from a functional point of view is possibly good enough for the OP, but... maybe he wants a bit of strange :pac:

Tombo2001

I'd sat also ancillary costs.

(I) Tax - 600.
(II) Insurance - whoever is looking at this; a lot of them have a high insurance bill.

So you could be paying 2000 to get it on the road without paying a penny for the car. 2400 if it needs tyres; 2600 if it hasn't been NCT'd. And that's assuming everything else is in good working order - and no one looking at it can tell.

Atlantic Dawn

ankles wrote: »

I'm getting a new (ish) car and so my faithful 2006 Mazda will no longer be my steed of choice. I bought it new and like many a Mazda there hadn't been a moments trouble from it. Yet as a pre 08 car I literally can't give it away. With a 1.8l petrol engine the tax is ?600 and so it languishes on adverts.ie. I just think it's a tragic waste of what is a good reliable car.

This isn't an ad but more the General point. There must be loads of solid run forever type cars out there that but for a year or two are now unsellable. Is anything being done with these or are they just quietly scrapped? Would love mine to get a new home rather than being crushed 😔

Want to share your ad? Should be demand if it's priced right and a good ad.

Tombo2001

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I agree with the OP

That its a tragic waste?

Don't see how - if its worth so much then OP would keep the car.

If its not worth that much, then why is it a waste?

EDIT - obviously there is a discussion to be had around consumerism and waste in our society; over in Cuba, every second car was built 70 years ago, but they keep them going and they all work.

We could do the same here. But we don't.

Our society is not in that headspace at the moment. And you cant talk the talk if you don't walk the walk......if you really think its a 'tragic waste' then don't sell the car.

Otherwise its something that's bugging you a little bit, but not much.

ankles

Sorry got sidetracked. Reason I'm selling is I got new job. More money but also longer commute. Will be racking up miles and would like something newer to do them in. #becauseimworthit. Car is on adverts at 1700 which seems reasonable value (open to offers ðŸ˜)but broad point is that I see lots of cars there which must be reasonable but due to government tax policy are being left to rot. You would think at this stage they should relax the tax. It's a terrible waste of some really good cars

beer enigma

Its just the market I think.

A lot of insurers are pulling away from cars even at 10 yrs old, so limited quotes pushes up the price. Petrol is dear & whilst average mileage, its still got 178k km on the clock, so potentially things can start going wrong.

Wibbs

ankles wrote: »

This isn't an ad but more the General point. There must be loads of solid run forever type cars out there that but for a year or two are now unsellable. Is anything being done with these or are they just quietly scrapped?

Quietly scrapped seems to be the way of things. And I agree, it's an unbelievable level of consumption and waste. All this talk about environmental impact of cars and this massive waste and impact is ignored by pretty much every political type out there, including the "greens". Hell most of them are actively pushing for taking cars over ten years old off the road.

Yes a newer car is maybe better for the ozones(not a given unless an EV and even there), but you'd have to drive a new car a helluva long distance to offset the environmental impact of building and transporting(and all the other ancillary impacts) the damn thing in the first place.

zilog_jones

The current tax and insurance situation unnecessarily penalises those who cannot afford newer cars, and is ridiculous IMO. And from an environmental perspective it's bad, as re-use is much better than disposal/recycling of perfectly functional vehicles - emissions during usage is only part of the lifecycle.

If you want to sell it, you'll probably need to drop the price further, unfortunately.

ankles

Wibbs wrote: »

ankles wrote: »

This isn't an ad but more the General point. There must be loads of solid run forever type cars out there that but for a year or two are now unsellable. Is anything being done with these or are they just quietly scrapped?

Quietly scrapped seems to be the way of things. And I agree, it's an unbelievable level of consumption and waste. All this talk about environmental impact of cars and this massive waste and impact is ignored by pretty much every political type out there, including the "greens". Hell most of them are actively pushing for taking cars over ten years old off the road.

Yes a newer car is maybe better for the ozones(not a given unless an EV and even there), but you'd have to drive a new car a helluva long distance to offset the environmental impact of building and transporting(and all the other ancillary impacts) the damn thing in the first place.

This is a much better version of my point. 👠government policy seems to mean that pre08 cars are for scrapping with all the environmental costs that apply, while cars that may be six months newer still have value in the market. And I would say most cars since the turn of the century (Japanese anyway) will run forever if properly looked after.

Price is variable😠but no one even talking to me was the eye opener.

dodzy

ankles wrote: »

Sorry got sidetracked. Reason I'm selling is I got new job. More money but also longer commute. Will be racking up miles and would like something newer to do them in. #becauseimworthit. Car is on adverts at 1700 which seems reasonable value (open to offers ?)but broad point is that I see lots of cars there which must be reasonable but due to government tax policy are being left to rot. You would think at this stage they should relax the tax. It's a terrible waste of some really good cars

That's why it's languishing on Adverts I fear. Unfortunate, but tiz the times in which we live. If you want rid, drop the price. It'll only waste away and will get little attention with it's replacement proudly sitting in it's place, only adding to it's premature demise

colm_mcm

Worth pointing out that a good few 08 and onwards Mazda 6 models are making small money too.

kyote00

Really need to improve the pictures of the car in the ad. Maybe get a valet and take lots of pics of inside and outside.

IMHO, 1700 is also a bit steep -> its petrol, its 11yrs old, its basic spec, short NCT

That said, a better ad, reduce (slightly) the price and I think it should sell

http://www.adverts.ie/car/mazda/6/2006-mazda-6/13051327

bertie4evr

kyote00 wrote: »

Really need to improve the pictures of the car in the ad. Maybe get a valet and take lots of pics of inside and outside.

IMHO, 1700 is also a bit steep -> its petrol, its 11yrs old, its basic spec, short NCT

That said, a better ad, reduce (slightly) the price and I think it should sell

http://www.adverts.ie/car/mazda/6/2006-mazda-6/13051327

and don't block the reg! Why do people do that? It just makes me suspicious.

Atlantic Dawn

ankles wrote: »

Sorry got sidetracked. Reason I'm selling is I got new job. More money but also longer commute. Will be racking up miles and would like something newer to do them in. #becauseimworthit. Car is on adverts at 1700 which seems reasonable value (open to offers ?)but broad point is that I see lots of cars there which must be reasonable but due to government tax policy are being left to rot. You would think at this stage they should relax the tax. It's a terrible waste of some really good cars

Put it on Donedeal. Adverts will break your heart with idiot asking stupid questions and offers.

BBMcQ

Maybe this thread could be called "Bad ads - shocking waste".

Get a decent car wash and hoover interior..
Does the ad say 6 owners??
No interior shots?
Put the sun behind you when taking a pic!
Pics of wheels?
Pics of engine bay?
More details in the ad also...

It will sell with the right ad treatment and price. How much will cash for cars places give you for it?

coylemj

This is a common problem with older cars with biggish engines - most of the people who are in the market for a car costing <€2,000 can't afford or can't get insurance on a 10 year old car with a 1.8 litre engine.

And for a family looking for a cheap second car, they usually want a city runabout with a smallish engine that won't cost the earth to run or insure. Cars that are taxed under the new system are now affordable so the OP's car is up against stiff opposition from cars that are much cheaper to tax.

So I'm not surprised that the OP is finding it hard to attract a buyer.

Bigus

bertie4evr wrote: »

and don't block the reg! Why do people do that? It just makes me suspicious.

Wholeheartedly agree, nonsense blocking reg .

Drop price to 999 firm and link it in bangernomics here on boards.

Atlantic Dawn

The ad is what can only be described as terrible, no interior shots at all, poor external photos, if I was looking for a Mazda 6 I wouldn't even waste my time on a phonecall because of the poor ad.

goz83

I agree. The ad is really poor. Also you have a negative feedback. You should contact the adverts team to have it removed if indeed the potential buyer did not make a solid offer. Negative feedback turns me right off making any offers.

I also think the price should be around 1k. It's way overpriced, high tax and will be hard to insure.

mikeecho

OP, if you're not going to get a satisfactory price for your car, how about giving it to a relation (in their early 20s, who'll appreciate it) and will drive it into the ground.

Voodoomelon

I believe insurance is becoming more of an issue now in terms of resale than tax has ever been. The insurance companies should be strung up for not insuring anyone with a valid NCT on one hand and then not insuring anyone with a 10 year old or older car on the other. Absolutely scandalous and nothing being done about it.

Tax was always a known entity, you chose to buy high tax in the first place for larger engine size, etc.
But now with insurance you don't know where the hell you are.

The quotes i'm hearing from mates in low to mid thirties, clean licences and everything the insurers could possibly want, but 10 years old or more on 1.4l-2.5l regular cars... €1200+ please. Robbing b*****ds.

A shocking waste is right.

PrettyBoy

As mentioned, the ad is just plain terrible. A couple of questions:

• Why did you hide the registration number? What's the advantage of this?
• Why does it say 6 owners when you've had it from new? It should say 1.

Both of these things would make me suspicious.

I bought one of them from a trader a couple of years ago to use for a few weeks and then move on with the intention of making a profit - I had no idea how unwanted these things are until the time came to sell it. I thought it would be gone within a week or two but it took 3 months to find someone to take it away. I honestly couldn't believe my luck when the day finally came.

It's a combination of the tax (Irish people think anything over €500 is high), insurance (Irish people and insurance companies think anything over a 1.6l is high) and the fact that it's a 10+ year old bland, dull car with very few redeeming qualities. Anyway, it's overpriced at the moment and on the wrong site. If you want to get rid of it then take at least 10 decent pictures of the exterior and interior, put it on DoneDeal for €950 and, as previously suggested, put it in the Bangernomics thread.

sgalvin

The 08 on family size petrol cars really are bargains at the moment.
There were a number of petrol cars that had Lower tax after 2008.
The Mazda 6 1.8 was one of them at €570. 20% less
BMW 530i petrol dropped to €750 50% less

The Irish perception that tax is the main cost of running a car is alive and well.

Everyone wants mammy-wagons and cross-overs with diesel too!
And people will pay €1000s a year in depreciation to save €300 on tax.

colm_mcm wrote: »

Worth pointing out that a good few 08 and onwards Mazda 6 models are making small money too.

Agricola

Don't waste your time on adverts. You could put a brand new Merc on it for €10k and the first commenter would ask ya to take €5k.

Have had a number of low value cars on it and had nothing but timewasters messaging me and coming to look with no intention of buying. Put the same cars up on DD.............. sold in a couple of days.

dmc17

Agricola wrote: »

Don't waste your time on adverts. You could put a brand new Merc on it for €10k and the first commenter would ask ya to take €5k.

Have had a number of low value cars on it and had nothing but timewasters messaging me and coming to look with no intention of buying. Put the same cars up on DD.............. sold in a couple of days.

Sure I can buy one new on ebay for €4.5k! Swap for a rare 1975 Honda 50 in average condition?

Tails142

adverts.ie is a terrible website to sell a car on, put it up on donedeal.ie

I had my car up on adverts, price dropped reguarly to a third of the what it first went up for, placed an ad on donedeal to try and increase the interest with the same reduced price and my phone nearly exploded from the number of calls and texts I got the next morning.

slave1

Put it through early NCT, if perfect it should fly and if you ask re cancellations you could get it done in a matter of days, don't waste your time with Adverts.
I sold my 07 Avensis for €3.6k a few months back, proper photos, service history receipts etc. so a properly presented car will sell.

CiniO

Agricola wrote: »

Don't waste your time on adverts. You could put a brand new Merc on it for ?10k and the first commenter would ask ya to take ?5k.

Have had a number of low value cars on it and had nothing but timewasters messaging me and coming to look with no intention of buying. Put the same cars up on DD.............. sold in a couple of days.

Why not.

I put up a car for sale a while ago both donedeal and adverts, and after couple of weeks I had about 800 views on donedeal, and around 400 on adverts.

Fact that some 400 people seen my ad there, means it IMO worth it.

I can't see a reason why would anyone get more timewasters from adverts than donedeal.

And comments offering 1/2 price - just ignore - I can't see the problem.


In the end car didn't sell for price I was asking, so I decided against selling.

ted1

frozenfrozen wrote: »

600 euro tax isn't that bad at all

+ an annual NCT which is also a tax.

ted1

kyote00 wrote: »

Really need to improve the pictures of the car in the ad. Maybe get a valet and take lots of pics of inside and outside.

IMHO, 1700 is also a bit steep -> its petrol, its 11yrs old, its basic spec, short NCT

That said, a better ad, reduce (slightly) the price and I think it should sell

http://www.adverts.ie/car/mazda/6/2006-mazda-6/13051327

No interior pictures , people like to see the interior trim and also the wear and tear sndcegat features the dash has

Atlantic Dawn

ted1 wrote: »

+ an annual NCT which is also a tax.

I suppose a tax to a degree but when your at that cheaper end of the market and possibly either doing repairs yourself or on the cheap it's a good ?55 to spend for someone to give the car a good proper once over each year, good value for money.

CiniO

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The ad is what can only be described as terrible, no interior shots at all, poor external photos, if I was looking for a Mazda 6 I wouldn't even waste my time on a phonecall because of the poor ad.

So you're saying that it's a good idea to buy cars only from sellers who are masters in designing/putting up advertisements?

I'm quite opposite. I know many people think like you, and therefore sellers with poor ads, often don't get too much interest, which effectively makes buying their car easier and gives better allowance for bargaining on the price.

Surely someone who put's up the best ad ever, and receives 20 phone calls in first day, is not going to sell it cheaper than advertised, while someone with really poor ad, struggling to receive a single phone call in 4 weeks, might be happy to sell it well below asking price as he probably thinks it's not worth much due to lack of interest.

In my experience, quality of adverts has absolutely nothing to do with quality of car.
I've seen really encouraging adverts for cars which were piece of rubbish, and I've seen opposite - great cars hidden under really poor adverts.

My normal way of buying cars is to choose make, model, engine, trim, then find cars fullfiling those criteria, and ring sellers usually starting with poorest ad to view the car.

Atlantic Dawn

CiniO wrote: »

So you're saying that it's a good idea to buy cars only from sellers who are masters in designing/putting up advertisements?

I'm quite opposite. I know many people think like you, and therefore sellers with poor ads, often don't get too much interest, which effectively makes buying their car easier and gives better allowance for bargaining on the price.

Surely someone who put's up the best ad ever, and receives 20 phone calls in first day, is not going to sell it cheaper than advertised, while someone with really poor ad, struggling to receive a single phone call in 4 weeks, might be happy to sell it well below asking price as he probably thinks it's not worth much due to lack of interest.

In my experience, quality of adverts has absolutely nothing to do with quality of car.
I've seen really encouraging adverts for cars which were piece of rubbish, and I've seen opposite - great cars hidden under really poor adverts.

My normal way of buying cars is to choose make, model, engine, trim, then find cars fullfiling those criteria, and ring sellers usually starting with poorest ad to view the car.

You could be after coming out of a cave you lived in for 30 years and acquire the skills of how to make a good ad by simply spending about 20 minutes looking at how other sellers present their cars. I just don't bother having any dealings with someone who lashes together a 2 or 3 pic ad with little or no detail in it, any I have rang don't know the first thing about the car and will say it's mint etc, you go out and look at it and it's in bits, possibly the side with no photos in the ad was hit by a Scania the month before or had a 'slight roll' in a ditch. Plenty of other sellers who have made the effort that I would deal with instead. I might be an oddball when buying cars though but so far it has not let me down :pac:

Bigus

I think op " ankles " has their tail between their legs at this stage,

ankles

Hi everyone. Not my tail between my legs but working late and only getting back to this now. Didn't even see the six owners thing. I will change that. Will also do more pics and put it up also thanks re the negative feedback on adverts.ie I will get it sorted. As is evident I don't sell loads of stuff.

On the broader point I hope there is a market ( even on donedealðŸ˜) for these cars. They are well made and if I had a relation in their early 20s I would definitely let them have it, I'm all for helping anyone struggling to get on the car ladder. From an environmental po by if view it seems crazy to incentivise the scrapping of decent relations able cars and replacing them with new cars which means more damage to the environment in building them!

Falcon L

Regarding hiding the reg.

Some scumbags are searching donedeal and adverts for a particular car that they have. They then take the reg and get a plate made. The car is used to travel back and forward through the tolls for a while. The registered owner then gets the letters.

This is from experience... it does happen. For the money they save on tolls, they must have access to plate making equipment for free.

I was lucky they used a different font on the plate, so I was able to win the argument with eflow, but it was a pain in the yaris having to report it to traffic corps as a cloned reg.

colm_mcm

ted1 wrote: »

+ an annual NCT which is also a tax.

How is a testing service a tax?

goz83

sgalvin wrote: »

The 08 on family size petrol cars really are bargains at the moment.
There were a number of petrol cars that had Lower tax after 2008.
The Mazda 6 1.8 was one of them at €570. 20% less
BMW 530i petrol dropped to €750 50% less

The Irish perception that tax is the main cost of running a car is alive and well.

Everyone wants mammy-wagons and cross-overs with diesel too!
And people will pay €1000s a year in depreciation to save €300 on tax.

That's because it's true.

Irish Petrol Price is €0.49 before tax. They add €0.86 as tax. Diesel is similar.

Then you have pre 2008 motor tax. Hell, they even have motor tax for BEVs even though they are emission free.

mikeybrennan

bertie4evr wrote: »

and don't block the reg! Why do people do that? It just makes me suspicious.

Yep

If i see the reg blocked i move on to the next ad

Atlantic Dawn

As regarding blocking the reg plate I am 50/50 whether it's the correct thing to do or not. Criminals could use it to clone your car for a crime, if you look at the gangland killing in Dublin recently the reg used was taken from a legit Opel Astra of the same colour. The cloned plate would allow a criminal to go around unchallenged from ANPR, whether that car was taken from a classifieds ad is anyones guess.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/live-emergency-services-scene-after-10533449

colm_mcm

And how many cars out there are for sale on donedeal?
It's a very small risk.

Allinall

Can a reg not be picked from a car parked on the side of the road and used to clone?

I don't see the difference between that and picking the reg off an ad.

Atlantic Dawn

Allinall wrote: »

Can a reg not be picked from a car parked on the side of the road and used to clone?

I don't see the difference between that and picking the reg off an ad.

If you have say a red Ford Focus saloon that you have stolen and are looking to clone you need to find another red Ford Focus saloon which matches that model, could take hours or days of driving to find. Instead you simply search classified ads and have one in seconds.

Sofiztikated

colm_mcm wrote: »

How is a testing service a tax?

Cos someone said so.

Along with the VRT being an illegal tax. But people that spout that nonsense can't link to an actual law being broken.