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Instructor not signing off on lessons?

  • 08-06-2017 9:32pm
    #1
    ricksanchez
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    Hi guys,

    Posted here a few days ago regarding terrible instructor - have logged complaint about him to RSA and the school and gotten a new instructor, all good.

    My new instructor told me today he had been assigned to me for 8 lessons, and that my previous instructor only logged 2. I explained that I had paid the school directly for 12 lessons, and he told me that sometimes instructors are allowed not to sign off lessons if they believe you are not progressing.

    Is this true? I had 4 lessons with my previous instructor, and I believe he's only acting out of spite. I will contact the school tomorrow, just looking to have my facts in order first.


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  • #2
    dennyk
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    I don't believe they can refuse to sign off for lessons that you have already taken with them; the EDT requirement is for them to give you the lesson, not for you to become competent at the topics it covers. If they have concerns about your progress in a lesson, they are supposed to record that in the logbook, but if they gave you the lesson and covered all of the required material, they have to sign off for it. On that note, though, are you sure your first four lessons actually covered all of the material for those EDT units as per the guidelines? If you failed to make progress and the instructor spent a couple hours/lessons on covering each EDT unit to make up for it, so that you only covered the material for the first two units in your four lessons, then he would be correct to only sign off on those two.

    Your instructor could also refuse to provide the next lesson to you until you are up to whatever they feel is the necessary standard; how that would work out if you've prepaid for EDT lessons most likely depends on the terms of your agreement with the ADI when you signed up and paid.


  • #3
    J_R
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,149 ✭✭✭J_R


    ricksanchez wrote: »
    Hi guys,

    Posted here a few days ago regarding terrible instructor - have logged complaint about him to RSA and the school and gotten a new instructor, all good.

    My new instructor told me today he had been assigned to me for 8 lessons, and that my previous instructor only logged 2. I explained that I had paid the school directly for 12 lessons, and he told me that sometimes instructors are allowed not to sign off lessons if they believe you are not progressing.

    Is this true? I had 4 lessons with my previous instructor, and I believe he's only acting out of spite. I will contact the school tomorrow, just looking to have my facts in order first.


    Hi,
    No it is not true. Your new instructor is wrong.
    See :- S.I. No. 4/2012 - Road Traffic (Courses of Instruction) (Learner Permit Holders) (Amendment) Regulations 2012.
    (3) A person may only undergo each of lessons 2 to 8 of Essential Driver Training for Car Drivers if he or she holds a logbook issued to him or her on which an instructor has signed and stamped the pages relating to the immediately preceding lesson as set out in the Schedule.


    (3A) A person may only undergo any of lessons 9 to 12 of Essential Driver Training for Car Drivers if he or she holds a logbook issued to him or her on which an instructor has signed and stamped the pages relating to lesson 8.?.




    When the EDT was launched, at the end of a lesson the instructor could legally refuse to sign the logbook if he/she believed that in their opinion the goal of the lesson was not reached. However the RSA very quickly changed to the above when they realised that they had handed a blank cheque to the incompetent and greedy.

    The old regs:-
    S.I. No. 173/2011 - Road Traffic (Courses of Instruction) (Learner Permit Holders) Regulations 2011.
    Relevant para
    (3) A person undergoing lessons 1 to 8 of Essential Driver Training for Car Drivers is not entitled to progress to the next lesson or any subsequent lesson of the course unless he or she has demonstrated the necessary knowledge and ability for the procedures and processes of the proceeding lesson of the course to the satisfaction of the instructor.
    That paragraph no longer exists, has been replaced, Deleted.

    From 10 January 2012, to comply with the law it is only necessary to complete twelve one hour lessons.

    The driving instructor can of course recommend that you take further lessons but He can not legally refuse to sign the logbook. (Or refuse to upload and update your MyEDT)

    Tell your new instructor that you will not be penalised because your first instructor was unprofessional and incompetent - spent his time texting, etc etc. and print out the first link for him and the ISM


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