Car sale - 08 Alfa 159 guide price

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Will be taking a hairdressers car 171 Demo for the weekend. Instead of waiting for the new year for a new car I could see myself buying it.

I will be keeping my own car and selling private.

With this in mind please recommend a sales price.

Make/Model: Alfa Romeo 159 TI 2.4l JTDM (159's are rare, a 2.4 is even rarer)

Year:2008

Mileage:102K miles (this may sound low, but is genuine)

Colour:Alfa Red

Extras: Bi-Xennons, Sunroof, Alarm/immobiliser, All leather seats with leather and Chrome interior, Electric & Heated Seats, Electric mirrors, Sports leather steering wheel, Full Service History, Sports Suspension, Auto Lights and Wipers, Bose Upgraded Sound System, €54k new. TI Spec (19" wheel plus silver mirrors etc). 210 BHP. Light sensitive/dimming rear view mirror. Full size spare wheel, Climate Control, Head light Washers. Red Brembo brakes, ABS, Traction etc...

DPF Removed, and since passed NCT.

Tax:12/17
NCT: 29-01-18

Timing Belt changed at 70k miles

Owned (by me) since new.

colm_mcm

They are a hard sell, a boardsie is trying to sell his 2010 1.9 with a bit more mileage for €5k and nobody's biting.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-159-jtdm-150bhp/15064543

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

They are a hard sell, a boardsie is trying to sell his 09 1.9 for €5k and nobody's biting.

Its a 10 reg!

I've gotten a few nibbles but no views.

At 5k I'm still willing to negotiate btw.

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colm_mcm wrote: »

They are a hard sell, a boardsie is trying to sell his 2010 1.9 with a bit more mileage for €5k and nobody's biting.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/alfa-romeo-159-jtdm-150bhp/15064543

Good to know, but I've driven the 1.9l (test drive) and a totally different car, performance wise.

colm_mcm

I'm not convinced that will make it sell though. People are funny, and would see €750 tax as big these days.

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colm_mcm wrote: »

I'm not convinced that will make it sell though. People are funny, and would see €750 tax as big these days.

I think, hope, the people that would be interested in a 159 will.

JustLen

Being a 2.4 means the car is less saleable than a 1.9 in general.

Of course with a rarer model there is always someone willing to pay a higher price. What a cracker of a car it is to be fair!

The question is wether such a person is currently looking for that particular car. If not, its a waiting game.

I personally think its worth around 4k.

What do you think yourself?

ShadowHearth

If you would be selling it two weeks ago I would have been interested. And I know boardsie is selling 1.9 one and 2010, but I would specifically look for 2.4, in fact I did.

What I am trying to say, Is that you will be waiting for specific alfahead, who wants 2.4 engine. And the one who is looking for 2.4, wont be looking at 1.9 in the first place.
Price ways, I dont know. I think I would be willing to pay around 7k for it, but cheap Dpf fix would really put me off personally.

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ShadowHearth wrote: »

If you would be selling it two weeks ago I would have been interested. And I know boardsie is selling 1.9 one and 2010, but I would specifically look for 2.4, in fact I did.

What I am trying to say, Is that you will be waiting for specific alfahead, who wants 2.4 engine. And the one who is looking for 2.4, wont be looking at 1.9 in the first place.
Price ways, I dont know. I think I would be willing to pay around 7k for it, but cheap Dpf fix would really put me off personally.

Wont be looking for €7k. Understand re the DPF, it has passed the NCT since. I was doing 2 miles round trip to work each day for nearly 2 years, after 4 years of driving up to Dublin (and staying the working week) and the DPF royally clogged up and was quoted approx €2.5k to fix by main dealer. Advice on boards.ie was to "gut it", has driven like a dream since. I know there are environmental issues.

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JustLen wrote: »

Being a 2.4 means the car is less saleable than a 1.9 in general.

Of course with a rarer model there is always someone willing to pay a higher price. What a cracker of a car it is to be fair!

The question is wether such a person is currently looking for that particular car. If not, its a waiting game.

I personally think its worth around 4k.

What do you think yourself?

I think I'll start off with €5,250 willing to be beaten down to €5k.

It is a desirable car, and people in past have said let me know if selling. But, a bit like Shadowhearth they may have since moved on.

I'll be willing to wait, and park it up for a few months if necessary.

ShadowHearth

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Wont be looking for €7k. Understand re the DPF, it has passed the NCT since. I was doing 2 miles round trip to work each day for nearly 2 years, after 4 years of driving up to Dublin (and staying the working week) and the DPF royally clogged up and was quoted approx €2.5k to fix by main dealer. Advice on boards.ie was to "gut it", has driven like a dream since. I know there are environmental issues.

I am not trying to be a dick or having a dig at the car, sorry.
Just trying to tell you how it would look from an actual person who was looking for 2.4 159. As I was looking for one, until I gave up on overpriced stuff or just lack of it.

I personally, would have payed up to 7k for it, if it had normal dpf and condition obviously. If its on 750eu tax too, then its a good deal for me.

So I guess, if you are willing to sell it for less, then I dont see it why you wont get it sold. Though you will be looking for very specific buyer.
Take it for whats its worth m8.

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ShadowHearth wrote: »

Take it for whats its worth m8.

Absolutely, cheers.

Oh, and yes on the €750 tax.

bmwguy

The 2.4 engine does not make it more desirable as you think as in stimulating demand. It's a very niche car. If anything a like for like 1.9 will get more interest.
I would love your car to be honest but I have just changed my own so not in the market.
Put it this way, Alfas are the hardest depreciating cars that there are. I bought a lovely 2006 156 in 2010 with 36k miles for 4500 i think it was. Alfa red, nice spec.
That was 4 years old. Yours is 9. Although mine was in the depths of a recession. But best of luck sounds like a nice car. An enthusiast might be interested but you might be waiting a long time.

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bmwguy wrote: »

The 2.4 engine does not make it more desirable as you think as in stimulating demand.

Ah yeah, the 2.4l will put off a lot of people, but as you say it is a niche car with a niche following. Just need one

ShadowHearth

bmwguy wrote: »

The 2.4 engine does not make it more desirable as you think as in stimulating demand. It's a very niche car. If anything a like for like 1.9 will get more interest.
I would love your car to be honest but I have just changed my own so not in the market.
Put it this way, Alfas are the hardest depreciating cars that there are. I bought a lovely 2006 156 in 2010 with 36k miles for 4500 i think it was. Alfa red, nice spec.
That was 4 years old. Yours is 9. Although mine was in the depths of a recession. But best of luck sounds like a nice car. An enthusiast might be interested but you might be waiting a long time.

Well, I sow a few later years 2.4 on donedeal and they would not stick around for very long. At the same time I sow a lot of 1.9 just sitting there.
As I said, it might not sell instantly, but you will have a lot less tyre kickers and when right buyer comes up, who is looking for one, he will grab it. If op plans to put it up for 5k, then I really doubt it will sit on donedeal for very long.

mossy50

try ALFA / Italian owners club and maybe lash on some more sites i,e cars ireland , carzone etc

grogi

bmwguy wrote: »

The 2.4 engine does not make it more desirable as you think as in stimulating demand. It's a very niche car. If anything a like for like 1.9 will get more interest.

Unfortunately that is the motorist Ireland 2017...

If it is 2008, average would expect a tax bill of less than €300, that's what they are looking for when paying premium for 2008. Top it up with Alfa brand perception (it must brake down every week) and 2.4 engine (it will drink).

That car just screams cost cost cost. Sooo sad

Out of curiosity I have put it through the revenue VRT calculator. The estimated OMSP is €2462...

bmwguy wrote: »

Put it this way, Alfas are the hardest depreciating cars that there are. I bought a lovely 2006 156 in 2010 with 36k miles for 4500 i think it was. Alfa red, nice spec.

But you can't really compare the market now and then. It was shortly after introducing the new motortax rates and everything that wasn't on cheap rate lost the value almost instantly. In 2011 have bought an excellent condition 2006 Superb with 60k miles for €4500 and sold two years later for the same. Today a 5 years old Superb would cost approximately three times more.

bmwguy

grogi wrote: »

Unfortunately that is the motorist Ireland 2017...

If it is 2008, average would expect a tax bill of less than €300, that's what they are looking for when paying premium for 2008. Top it up with Alfa brand perception (it must brake down every week) and 2.4 engine (it will drink).

That car just screams cost cost cost. Sooo sad

Out of curiosity I have put it through the revenue VRT calculator. The estimated OMSP is €2462...

The look of absolute horror I get when I tell people I drive a 2.5 is priceless. Unfortunately for OP I was thinking somewhere along the lines of the OMSP you found. Maybe a bit higher though. 4k maybe. The 2010 1.9 not selling for 5k although with higher mileage is a good indicator.

GavMan

Ask TI Autos if they know anyone in the market for one

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GavMan wrote: »

Ask TI Autos if they know anyone in the market for one

Used them for servicing/maintenance - good shout.

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grogi wrote: »

Out of curiosity I have put it through the revenue VRT calculator. The estimated OMSP is €2462...

I think Revenue is not nuanced enough to really differentiate. For example (I just checked) the €2,462 is based on an original value of €35k. Actual purchase price was €54k.

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One other thing that may be of interest to a buy - worth putting into ad, or does it just highlight issues.

'Approx €3.5k spent on car in the last €5k miles'

This would be new clutch, flywheel, back shocks both upper and lower front wishbones. and a couple of other things. So, a lot of things that could go in a car of this age have recently been fixed.

grogi

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One other thing that may be of interest to a buy - worth putting into ad, or does it just highlight issues.

'Approx €3.5k spent on car in the last €5k miles'

This would be new clutch, flywheel, back shocks both upper and lower front wishbones. and a couple of other things. So, a lot of things that could go in a car of this age have recently been fixed.

All below IMHO of course...

Don't put the figure spend (brings me back to the cost cost cost song) and don't mention the suspension parts, it solidifies the belief that any Alfa has a soft suspension.

I would say something like 'Always serviced on time - last oil/filter service at 98kkm (and list when other service items like pollen filter, brake fluid, antifreeze, brake pads and discs, gearbox oil were replaced). Add something like 'Got a new clutch and flywheel last year'. Is the steering rack replaced as well?

Don't say the DPF is removed (gives impression of cheap fix), just mention that this car does not have DPF (which is true).

-- Ad revenue valuation:

We all know - they are very often off the mark. But it gives the indication of how much they depreciate and how undesirable they are for generic public. As mentioned, it is a very niche car - right buyer could pay good money for it, but there is absolutely no guarantee he or she will come within a year.

-- Ad price

€7k is absolutely unrealistic. €5k should be doable with a (very) good deal of patience.

ZV Yoda

Have you posted on http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/republic-of-ireland/ to see if there's any interest? A 2.4 159 ti is tricky one to sell. As you say, they're very rare in that spec, so it'll more than likely be an Alfa head who buys.

In your favour, it's a one owner, carefully minded ti spec that's been serviced by ti Autos. On the downside, the DPF removal suggests it's not doing enough mileage to keep the engine running at its best. The cost of motor tax and the poor(ish) fuel economy will be a consideration for a buyer.

Up to 2009/10, there were 2 diesels engines available:
- 1.9 (150bhp, €570 motor tax)
- 2.4 (210bhp, €750 motor tax)

These were replaced in 2010 by an all-new 2.0 diesel (170bhp €390 motor tax). For an Alfa head looking at a 2010 159 diesel, the choice really comes down to 2.4. vs 2.0.

If it was me, I'd price your car around the same as an equivalent 2.0 & take it from there.

Maybe also consider selling up north - their motor tax is not so steep for the 2.4, so you might get a better price (although the weak sterling rate might put paid to that option).

grogi

ZV Yoda wrote: »

Maybe also consider selling up north - their motor tax is not so steep for the 2.4, so you might get a better price (although the weak sterling rate might put paid to that option).

There would be around €750 VRT refund if it goes to the UK...

daRobot

Avatar MIA wrote: »

One other thing that may be of interest to a buy - worth putting into ad, or does it just highlight issues.

'Approx €3.5k spent on car in the last €5k miles'

This would be new clutch, flywheel, back shocks both upper and lower front wishbones. and a couple of other things. So, a lot of things that could go in a car of this age have recently been fixed.

Put that in for sure. Detail it and have pics of the receipts. It proves the car was well looked after.

grogi

grogi wrote: »

....... In 2011 have bought an excellent condition 2006 Superb with 60k miles for €4500 and sold two years later for the same. Today a 5 years old Superb would cost approximately three times more.

Diesel?

grogi

Augeo wrote: »

Diesel?

No, it was 1.8T petrol.

The tax was even lower on it than on 1.9TDI, and performance could not be compared either.

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Update on this.

I bought a car and sold this to my brother for €2.5k. He wanted it as a project, buffer the paint work, fill/paint stone chips etc. If he sells it we'll have profit sharing on sales price, but I'm happy for him to have it.

So, case closed for now.