Accommodation Conditions

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I was about to complain about the standard of Irish apartments but don't think I'll bother now, we live in complete luxury in comparison to the majority of other humans.

www. theguardian.com/cities/gallery/2017/jun/07/boxed-life-inside-hong-kong-coffin-cubicles-cage-homes-in-pictures

Ms Doubtfire1

oh dear ***

Samuel T. Cogley

Reducing the building regs is the answer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYVJbupG3Xg

BryanF

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Reducing the building regs is the answer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYVJbupG3Xg

Reducing all the various taxes on labour & materials would make more sense.

myshirt

BryanF wrote: »

Reducing all the various taxes on labour & materials would make more sense.

Agreed, the amount of tax in a new build is astronomical.

A key thing that we find difficult to face up to in this country is the pay of tradesmen aswell. Way overpaid. Ballpark, no average sparky, brickie, sniffer, chippy, or flood of 5 years ppsy qualification experience should be pocketing more than 500 quid a week.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

myshirt wrote: »

A key thing that we find difficult to face up to in this country is the pay of tradesmen aswell. Way overpaid. Ballpark, no average sparky, brickie, sniffer, chippy, or flood of 5 years ppsy qualification experience should be pocketing more than 500 quid a week.

Care to explain why?

fishy_fishy

myshirt wrote: »

Agreed, the amount of tax in a new build is astronomical.

A key thing that we find difficult to face up to in this country is the pay of tradesmen aswell. Way overpaid. Ballpark, no average sparky, brickie, sniffer, chippy, or flood of 5 years ppsy qualification experience should be pocketing more than 500 quid a week.

As someone with multiple professional qualifications (rather than trade) I say you're being ridiculous.

They have a skilled job that takes a long time to qualify in and it's also a dangerous job that relies on their physical ability. One bad injury and their career is over. You expect them to get out of bed for about 33k gross? To build your home or workplace and make sure it's safe and warm and will stand up to whatever the weather throws at it? Rubbish. They deserve a fair day's pay for a fair day's work doing what most people cannot do.

The issue with costs in construction is tax. There's just too much tax.

mrslancaster

myshirt wrote: »

Agreed, the amount of tax in a new build is astronomical.

A key thing that we find difficult to face up to in this country is the pay of tradesmen aswell. Way overpaid. Ballpark, no average sparky, brickie, sniffer, chippy, or flood of 5 years ppsy qualification experience should be pocketing more than 500 quid a week.

it has always puzzled me why a tradesman (or woman) who spends 4/5 years in an apprenticeship learning their craft is seen by some in this country as being of less value or less qualified than an individual who completes a 3/4 year degree in a third level institute.

at least after an apprenticeship the person has valuable skills whereas an academic degree is mostly theory with very little practical experience.

still a lot of snobby attitudes in ireland about this

Lumen

Irish labour costs are high. It's not specific to construction.