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Royal Canal on a Road Bike

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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Just took this at the new canal access point at Louisa Bridge. Theyre currently levelling the stone layer before applying tarmac.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Gerry


    so leixlip to maynooth is moving well and drumcondra end is getting sorted also. is there any word on anything in between?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Hands off the deep sinking. Leave it as it is. Keep the plebs away. 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭Gotfoodforphil


    Copied from my reply on another thread: 

    “I followed up recently with Fingal CC on the Royal Canal Urban Greenway and they said they've had to re-do their internal plans, this was the response:

    "As the project is currently at pre-planning stage there is a requirement to ensure the project preliminary design complies with the new cycling manual which was recently published. Therefore, this has resulted in the need to revise the preliminary design drawing for the project. These changes in the preliminary design requires the need to hold additional meetings with all the relevant key stakeholders to agree the revised design. These meetings will continue over the coming monthly to ensure a coordinated, high quality final design which compiles with the new cycling manual is achieved at interfaces between existing facilities and the proposed scheme. 

    Following completion of the preliminary design, all the required documents including the Environmental Impact Assessment Report will be prepared for a planning application to An Bord Pleanála."

    So probably be waiting a good while yet for any progress from Leixlip into the city.

    Edit: the updated manual was published a year ago this month it seems…”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭buffalo


    There's signs on the R148 between Leixlip and Maynooth warning of roadworks starting today. From the looks of the barriers in the hedgerow, they're starting work on the on-road cycle lane there.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Gerry


    yep, chatted with some of the workers last week. seems there will be grass verge between bikes and the main road. also see there are metal barrier sections waiting to go up



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Are the metal barriers to protect rhe workers during construction? My memory of the design was for a timber fence along that section.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Gerry


    I saw those afterwards further up the road, so didnt get to ask. Could be yep..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭VonLuck


    Any updates on the section of the greenway from Phibsboro to Ashtown? Seems to have just disappeared from discussions and I haven't seen anything on it in a long time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭buffalo


    How much of the canal is closed at the moment by Croke Park? Dorset St or Jones Road to Ballybough?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,328 ✭✭✭VonLuck




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    New access section @ Louisa Br...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73 ✭✭Peeling1979


    Is it going alongside the road from Intel to the entrance to Carton or so!? I know the stretch they’re just completing now, so I take it it’s take a right there, out at Intel, and then a final stretch to be done on the Canal bank from Carton to Glen Royal Maynooth



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭buffalo




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    It's along the road between Pike and Deey bridges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭buffalo


    It won't go quite as far as Deey Bridge. If you're driving along the road, you'll see a big hole after Kellystown Lane turn (in Maynooth direction), it will merge back onto the canal there.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I'm stealing someone else's photos here but as the barrier was open, they got a sneaky stroll along the Louisa Br. to Deey Br. section this morning…



  • Registered Users Posts: 397 ✭✭FledNanders


    Looks like that section is close to being finished then. Any idea when it will be open?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The closure was for 22 weeks commencing June 10th - that means that it should be finished around Nov 11th.

    I'm assuming (and not going to check the plans) that there are no lights so that is one less reason for delays compared to the section from Confey-Louisa Br.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I was on the train Leixlip-Maynooth today, and the LB-Deey Bridge section looks substantially complete as per photos above. Hard to tell the section right at LB though. There are no lights, but there are tubes sticking out of the ground that presumably are where lights will be installed in the near or potentially distant future?

    The section from Carton House/Pike Bridge to Maynooth is much further behind.



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The section from Carton House/Pike Bridge to Maynooth is much further behind.

    It has barely started but as I understand it, it will be using the existing hard shoulder so shouldn't require a huge amount of effort. A concrete kerb and a timber fence on the road side will be the bulk of the work.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,125 ✭✭✭buffalo


    I think you're thinking of Carton House/Pike bridge to Deey Bridge?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Sorry, you're right - I can't multi-task and shouldn't be trying to work when on boards!!!



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,807 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    I see a speed limit reduction notice being advertised which looks to align with rhe section adjacent to the road but the notice has an end date of March 28th 2025 (so a delay of several months?)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,472 ✭✭✭Gerry


    yep I'm a bit concerned about the duration of that speed limit reduction. should not take 6 months to finish it out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭Mercian Pro


    Hadn't logged in for a while so missed Gotfoodforphil's post. Fingal clearly wish that the Deep Sinking section of the Royal Canal Greenway would just go away. After countless delays, this is just another great excuse to kick the can down the greenway for another few years. They are obviously still scared of having to engage again with the very determined and vocal residents of Delwood/Brompton who are masters of Nimbyism. I despair of ever seeing this section completed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Can someone remind me of the issues/ownership around there?

    It was originally owned by the canal company, then bought by the railway, and then the canal section put in the charge of Waterways Ireland at some point I guess? The gardens that have extended down are just looking for adverse possession, is that right?



  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭knockoutned


    The back gardens are a bit of a red herring tbh. A lot of the houses purchased the land behind their houses. Not all, but a lot did. Some houses in Delwood couldn’t extend back due to the quarry there. I have yet to see how this will be handled as part of the development.

    I think one of the the main issues is the residents don’t want the whole north bank cleared which is what will happen to build the path. I don’t know if this is a justifiable reason for the delay though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,303 ✭✭✭Mercian Pro


    I am not aware of any resident who actually bought the section of level ground behind their gardens. Ownership passed from CIE to OPW and then to Waterways Ireland and none of these public bodies were particularly active in challenging encroachments. The majority of residents registered their ownership through adverse possession around the time a greenway was first proposed so they are now legal owners as far as their garden fences.

    The proposed line of the greenway is beyond this and lower down the slope but will still leave a substantial area of trees and undergrowth. The plans are to bridge over the quarry area but again below the level of the extended gardens. I find it ironic that the small number of residents involved have recently become champions of biodiversity and wildernesses but obviously weren't so concerned when they encroached on state property to extend their lawns.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭knockoutned


    I know residents who bought the land from waterways Ireland and who the estate agent were who brokered the deal (I appreciate you can believe this or not). These transactions took place about 15 - 20 years ago. There are enough of them that, as I said earlier, to make the issue with the extended back gardens a non-issue. I also know that there were pylons put in by state over 40 years ago to mark the boundary and these are located beyond what was purchased / taken by the residents, so the boundary line has not always been clear. I have also heard the reason the boundary wall of the estate is where it is is due to the quarry and resulted in some houses having a smaller garden, but I don’t know if this is true.

    Even if you take your point that the gardens were illegally taken, the residents objecting that this land shouldnt be cleared should not be so easily dismissed. This area has been re wilded over 50 years and it should be kept that way in my opinion. There aren’t many areas like this in the area. I also do not trust Fingal engineers and construction workers to be sensitive to the area when constructing the path. After what happened to the residents in roselawn where planning permission was granted for a new estate along the canal I wouldn’t trust Fingal with anything.

    I have also seen the new plans for the route and tbh it’s not great. The path is, as you said, is built into the slope, with a high fence to the houses side and growth to left. I personally still believe it should be along the south side and looking across to the north, but that ship may have sailed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,750 ✭✭✭Citizen  Six


    Had a look when passing on the train earlier. I'd been hoping to walk from Castleknock to Clonsilla along the north bank, to get a better idea of the place. I plan to kayak it next week, weather permitting, and have a good look along the section.

    The houses at Roselawn are right down to the edge of the water, and clearly no route to walk. Have these been bought/adversely possessed?



  • Registered Users Posts: 147 ✭✭knockoutned


    I don’t know the legality of the Roselawn houses, though most of the ones near the bridge (after the new development ) that extended their gardens did so when the houses were built, so close to 50 years ago at this stage. Where the new development was built was always owned by the original house at the bridge.



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