Why should I respect other peoples beliefs

Tayschren

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

Layinghen

Because it is the polite thing to do.

Widdershins

I would like to know how this person defines ''respect''? I do think everyone's morally entitled not to be persecuted, harassed, bullied or mocked because of their strange beliefs. As long as they're not harming anyone, that is. I think that's just common decency.

But no belief system is above criticism. You can criticise the ideology without being rude to the person.

Persephone kindness

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

Why should anyone else respect your belief that their beliefs are not to be respected it's ridiculous.

Persephone kindness

Op I don't respect your disrespect.

GerryDerpy

You can't force respect.

gramar

Wanderer78

Pagan, let's burn him!

Shenshen

Widdershins wrote: »

I would like to know how this person defines ''respect''? I do think everyone's morally entitled not to be persecuted, harassed, bullied or mocked because of their strange beliefs. As long as they're not harming anyone, that is. I think that's just common decency.

But no belief system is above criticism. You can criticise the ideology without being rude to the person.

I would agree that nobody should be persecuted, harassed or bullied for their belief.
But I do draw the line at mocking.

I respect every person's right to belief what they like, but I have the right to think their believes are ludicrous, and to say so. As do they, in turn.

Different believes should be tolerated. Not respected.

Persephone kindness

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Pagan, let's burn him!

I'm pagan. Bring it on!

Kimbot

Hager

You should respect their right to hold those beliefs but you don't have to respect the beliefs themselves.

Persephone kindness

We dance nekkied and don't care about your disrespect! We don't want to be respectable!

c_man

It's like the diversity courses they make you go to in many companies. Just go along, nod your head and say what's expected. It's all grade-A bs but the thing to do is go with the flow. There's literally no benefit to calling it out, starting an argument and being a dick. Stick it out and enjoy the free pastries with your fellow attendees later.

Persephone kindness

Shenshen wrote: »

I would agree that nobody should be persecuted, harassed or bullied for their belief.
But I do draw the line at mocking.

I respect every person's right to belief what they like, but I have the right to think their believes are ludicrous, and to say so. As do they, in turn.

Different believes should be tolerated. Not respected.

Some beliefs should be respectfully challenged. Racism etc. You wouldn't stand for beating up a KKK member. But you wouldn't respect them either. Nor should you. You should oppose them.

Your Face

And what is the deal with airline food?
Am I right?
I know - crazy.

elefant

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

Civilisations would descend into chaos if everyone went around telling everyone exactly what they think of them, their preferences and their beliefs all the time.

It's part of being a functional adult that you aren't absolutely required to rub it in people's faces if you think their thoughts are stupid/their beliefs are wrong/ their communication and writing style is similar to that of a child etc.

Permabear

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Widdershins

Shenshen wrote: »

I would agree that nobody should be persecuted, harassed or bullied for their belief.
But I do draw the line at mocking.

I respect every person's right to belief what they like, but I have the right to think their believes are ludicrous, and to say so. As do they, in turn.

Different believes should be tolerated. Not respected.

Would you mock their beliefs to their face even when they're not up for a bit of ribbing? I would feel a bit cruel if I did that. I think everyone is aware that their faith defies science.
As an example, I see memes on Facebook, pointing out the ludicrous chain of events in the Bible, or Quran (rarely), and I don't find these particularly bad. To borrow another poster's phrase, I just wouldn't directly ''rub it in their face''.

flutered

have you any belifs which need respecting

Persephone kindness

Layinghen wrote: »

Because it is the polite thing to do.

Manners save lives everyday.

RobertKK

Usually the person who says they don't respect someone else's beliefs, want their own beliefs/worldview to be respected.
One can respectfully challenge opinion and views they don't subscribe to, but if one wants their own opinion/beliefs to be respected they also have to offer respect.

Widdershins

There are people who think they are due respect and by that they mean, they think others should do a they do during their religious feast days or fast days. Or at the very least others shouldn't mention that they're not observant of those rules and that they would happily eat a steak on Good Friday. You're expected to be furtive and guilty about not observing their religious calendar. So in essence the religious person has no respect for the atheists way of life. Now offering the religious person a big steak on Good Friday would be disrespectful but the religious person has no right to be offended if you choose to eat meat on the day. That's not coexistance.

Persephone kindness

You can disrespect my beliefs. Disrespect my feelings though you have lost my friendship.

Geuze

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

You seem to suggest that Jesus did not exist.

The majority of evidence supports his existence.

RobbieTheRobber

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

You don't have to.
When I am confronted by a persons belief structure that I find incompatible with mine in the wider world I feel under no obligation to respect it.

If you bring your personal beliefs systems into play in public matters then be prepared for them to be publicly discussed and refuted.

If you keep your beliefs in your home or your place or worship then I will respect them. If you expect your religious beliefs to inform public policy, the Rule of law or common morality, then you lose any right to expect me to respect them in public.

ibarelycare

osarusan

As long as it's not harmful or having a negative impact on me or anybody else, it's none of my business. It's not that I'd respect it, but they are free to believe it, and my sticking my oar in doesn't do anybody any good either.

FunLover18

Shenshen wrote:

I would agree that nobody should be persecuted, harassed or bullied for their belief. But I do draw the line at mocking.

There's a difference between 'mocking' a belief system and calling someone who believes in it a dope and generally being a condescending prick about it.

I think you can mock while still being respectful, they're not mutually exclusive. Fair enough if the OP wants to laugh in the face of religious folk and doesn't want to show them any respect but I don't think it'll win them any favours.

biko

Only Dalai Lama is on the right track, all other religious leaders are wackos.

If science proves some belief of Buddhism wrong, then Buddhism will have to change.

suicide_circus

Hager wrote: »

You should respect their right to hold those beliefs but you don't have to respect the beliefs themselves.

Bingo. Respect the person but their beliefs are open to scrutiny and if found to be wanting in logic and common sense then they are open to derision. If a person can't separate their own dignity from their beliefs then that's their tough titties.

Pugzilla

All religions are fake.

VinLieger

I hate people who push this garbage "but like you have to respect my beliefs cus thats the nice thing to do".

Screw that i will respect anyones right to believe whatever they want but theres no reason anyone has to respect the beliefs of anyone else, politeness be damned.

sjb25

I don't respect other people's beliefs but I won't disrespect them a lot of the beliefs are rediculous but it's none of my business is how I see it I won't tell them they are wrong as that is my opinion

My attitude believe/do what you want just don't try push it on me

Day Lewin

Yeah, like people who think that being Vegan and living on strange foods grown under plastic, processed in factories, and imported from thousands of miles away by air, is somehow better for the planet than lunching on the milk and cheese of a local goat. [I'm looking at you, Tofu]

I think they're wrong-headed and nuts, but there you are. They're people, treat them with respect while disagreeing strongly with their views. Quite possibly they think that I am equally wrong!!

greencap

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

You don't have to.

Nobody really cares what you think. Long as you don't negatively interfere in some way.

greencap

c_man wrote: »

It's like the diversity courses they make you go to in many companies. Just go along, nod your head and say what's expected. It's all grade-A bs but the thing to do is go with the flow. There's literally no benefit to calling it out, starting an argument and being a dick. Stick it out and enjoy the free pastries with your fellow attendees later.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NJQyGf1wR8

pilly

What right do any of us have to tell another person they're stupid?

We may think their beliefs are ridiculous but so long as they're not imposing them on me how is it my business?

I would not spend a minute in someone's company if they decided to call anyone stupid for holding a widely held belief.

Woodville56

Shenshen wrote: »

Widdershins wrote: »

I would like to know how this person defines ''respect''? I do think everyone's morally entitled not to be persecuted, harassed, bullied or mocked because of their strange beliefs. As long as they're not harming anyone, that is. I think that's just common decency.

But no belief system is above criticism. You can criticise the ideology without being rude to the person.

I would agree that nobody should be persecuted, harassed or bullied for their belief.
But I do draw the line at mocking.

I respect every person's right to belief what they like, but I have the right to think their believes are ludicrous, and to say so. As do they, in turn.

Different believes should be tolerated. Not respected.

I don't think it's tenable quite frankly to respect a person's right to hold a belief yet mock them for holding that belief. You may not agree with their beliefs which is fine, but surely mocking them for holding those beliefs is being disrespectful ? There are certain belief systems I don't agree with and have no problem saying so, but why the need to mock and insult those beliefs ...., for the fun of it, or isn't just stating you don't agree with reasoned argument enough ? I wouldn't accept that mocking the beliefs of others you don't agree with is being tolerant.

Permabear

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sbsquarepants

Short answer is you shouldn't.

You should "respect" your own beliefs by coming to them honestly and logically. To this end, it's perfectly acceptable to sub out some of the heavy lifting to someone who knows more than you, ie to trust that they know something you don't. It would be nice to come to our own conclusions all the time, but it's just not possible, there's always someone smarter than you. Regardless of whether you've figured something out yourself or taken someone elses ideas at face value, you shouldn't set them in stone and be open to changing them in the face of contrary evidence.

Everything else just goes in the "shít others believe" pile, to be ignored at will!

challengemaster

pilly wrote: »

What right do any of us have to tell another person they're stupid?

Well, considering it's actually backed up by science that religious people are less intelligent than their non-religious counterparts, technically there's nothing wrong about calling them stupid.

A meta-analysis of 63 studies showed a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity.

First, intelligent people are less likely to conform and, thus, are more
likely to resist religious dogma. Second, intelligent people tend to adopt an analytic (as opposed to intuitive) thinking style,
which has been shown to undermine religious beliefs. Third, several functions of religiosity, including compensatory control,
self-regulation, self-enhancement, and secure attachment, are also conferred by intelligence. Intelligent people may therefore
have less need for religious beliefs and practices.

http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/The-Relation-Between-Intelligence-and-Religiosity-A-Meta-Analysis-and-Some-Proposed-Explanations.pdf

pilly

challengemaster wrote: »

Well, considering it's actually backed up by science that religious people are less intelligent than their non-religious counterparts, technically there's nothing wrong about calling them stupid.



http://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/wp-content/uploads/The-Relation-Between-Intelligence-and-Religiosity-A-Meta-Analysis-and-Some-Proposed-Explanations.pdf

There is something wrong with calling ANYONE stupid, it's an insult and personally I don't go around throwing insults at people.

If you genuinely believe that it's okay to go around calling people stupid then I'd have doubts about your intelligence.

Widdershins

Woodville56 wrote: »

I don't think it's tenable quite frankly to respect a person's right to hold a belief yet mock them for holding that belief. You may not agree with their beliefs which is fine, but surely mocking them for holding those beliefs is being disrespectful ? There are certain belief systems I don't agree with and have no problem saying so, but why the need to mock and insult those beliefs ...., for the fun of it, or isn't just stating you don't agree with reasoned argument enough ? I wouldn't accept that mocking the beliefs of others you don't agree with is being tolerant.

That is what I said myself?

Ah, maybe you were replying to the other poster's reply to my comment..

_Brian

I think it's just an extension of respecting the person themselves.

Say the person believes they are above average in their appearance, should you not respect the fact that they believe this, do you openly mock them demeaning their appearance.

If a person believes something and their belief is damaging no one why shouldn't we respect that.

For me I respect people's thoughts and beliefs providing they aren't damaging anyone nor insisting everyone believe the same thing. i may not agree with them but have a healthy respect that people have a wide range of opinions and are entitled to their opinions and beliefs about anything.

Permabear

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basillarkin

Geuze wrote: »

You seem to suggest that Jesus did not exist.

The majority of evidence supports his existence.

Care to share some of this evidence with us?

Cee-Jay-Cee

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.

Looks at the Christians(insert Muslim,Jew,Hindu or Scientologist) believing in the holy ghost,Jesus and God. How mental is it or how much of a hypnotized automaton do you have to be to believe that nonsense, the bible is the word of god, mass is going to help you, your going to heaven! feck of ye dope....Do I have to pretend im not laughing at your stupidity for believing this crap?

These religions/beliefs(spiritual jibber jabbers included) are makey upy wishy washy nonsense which makes you look stupid for believing it so no I don't think I will be respecting your beliefs... maybe harsh but there you go..

So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

Because quite simply they are those peoples beliefs and in fact none of your bloody business. You may not respect their beliefs but you don't have to shout about it or show it.

suicide_circus

Permabear wrote: »

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I expressed myself badly. I too have loved ones who are people of faith and wouldn't dream of dishing out constant derision. I have learned that there is no room for debate and discussion on topics of faith because they are privileged in a way that no other subjects are not, namely that they are exempt from the burden of proof and logic. It is not in fact possible to debate them without eventually coming to a dead end and that's the point I suppose.

Banjo

Tayschren wrote: »

"Respect other peoples beliefs" she says. Why should I respect other peoples beliefs if they are outright ridiculous.
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So educate me why I should respect other peoples beliefs AH

You deride their beliefs - which are stated as beliefs, i.e. based on faith rather than outright proven fact - as if you know something they don't. But you don't. You only think you do. You have faith that the best guesses our current best scientific minds (or at least those best guesses that are deemed socially acceptable) are correct. Those same scientific minds don't think they're correct, they think they're a reasonably close approximation of the amount of the full truth that we're currently equipped to understand, and they are constantly trying to refine and adapt those guesses. In that respect, your position is as laughable as the people you are mocking. You know nothing but you think you know everything.

Somewhere, the ghost of Socrates is laughing hysterically. Except there's no such thing as ghosts, feck off ya dope!

Shenshen

Widdershins wrote: »

Would you mock their beliefs to their face even when they're not up for a bit of ribbing? I would feel a bit cruel if I did that. I think everyone is aware that their faith defies science.
As an example, I see memes on Facebook, pointing out the ludicrous chain of events in the Bible, or Quran (rarely), and I don't find these particularly bad. To borrow another poster's phrase, I just wouldn't directly ''rub it in their face''.

I'm not an aggressive person, I go with "live and let live". But I do get annoyed if others don't extend the same courtesy, and then I will mock them, yes.
Interestingly, that's when the whole "you have to respect what I believe" line gets thrown at me, usually.

Overall, I tend to apply the Socratic approach when discussing items of faith or belief. I just keep asking them about the details.
It tends to make me an unpopular person with some.