Road resurfaced from Glencree'ish to Sally gap.....

The Noble Nudge

:mad:
Just a heads up or if anyone has any links to WW co co for further information...
Road was closed yesterday to do a cheap and nasty job on resurfacing (road sprayed with bitumen and pebble dashed)...it could just be a job before they finish it with a nice tarmac finish but potentially I doubt it?
Dont know exactly where it starts as i turned back but the whole climb from the base up by Lough Bray car park/viewing point is done and from last week the other car park near Sally gap had a load of chippings stored there......
Any further info would be great?

Oh and same for the back road from Ballynasmutton bridge round to Lacken above the lakes....

Macy0161

Meant to post the other week (but got distracted) that they had done pot hole filling between Sally Gap and Lough Bray with fine gravel that was particularly sketchy, and hard to see if the road was wet. I'd take the full on chip and tar resurfacing over that tbh!

nilhg

The Noble Nudge wrote: »

:mad:
Just a heads up or if anyone has any links to WW co co for further information...
Road was closed yesterday to do a cheap and nasty job on resurfacing (road sprayed with bitumen and pebble dashed)...it could just be a job before they finish it with a nice tarmac finish but potentially I doubt it?
Dont know exactly where it starts as i turned back but the whole climb from the base up by Lough Bray car park/viewing point is done and from last week the other car park near Sally gap had a load of chippings stored there......
Any further info would be great?

Oh and same for the back road from Ballynasmutton bridge round to Lacken above the lakes....

I hope they filled the holes/craters on the Sorrell hill road before they put down the tar and chip

dragratchet

yeah i was stopped from climbing to the gap yesterday, had noted a big dirty pile of loose chippings in a lay-by last weekend. that chipseal usually takes a month or so to bed in, but given the relative lack of traffic on the gap it could take longer. going to avoid it for a while anyway.

RacoonQueen

Ah that's what they stopped me for yesterday too. Was wondering what 'works' they were doing.

The Noble Nudge

nilhg wrote: »

I hope they filled the holes/craters on the Sorrell hill road before they put down the tar and chip

Came down it very slowly holes all filled but awaiting tar and chippings....
6 months before i take it on again mind..........;)

Descending on a cheese grater ..

Fian

Damn it when i saw that thread title i was thinking "Great, they really needed a smoother surface between the featherbeds and the turn off for enniskerry". ah well.

loyatemu

gah! - "surface dressing" is the tool of the devil. Not just because of the loose debris, but as it wears down it becomes pockmarked with bare patches that are a bugger to cycle on (see practically every small road in Wicklow; the road from Newcastle to Rathnew is particularly bad though).

When it hasn't worn away, the large size of the chippings gives a really rough surface - even in a car it's really noisy and must cause extra tyre wear. In Wicklow they seem to surface dress the roads on a schedule whether the road needs it or not - I've seen them do it on roads that had perfectly fine smooth asphalt beforehand. I'd almost rather have a smoothish road with a few potholes that can be avoided than endless KMs of teeth-rattling chippings.

RacoonQueen

Yeah I nearly came off a couple of times heading from Maynooth to Dunboyne a few weeks ago going over the loose chippings that had pooled in one place.

siochain

Folks any chance you could post up the affected segments?

depadz

Came down military road from sally gap today. Avoid. Inch deep loose chippings for 1km along steepest parts of hill. Military road from rathfarnham ok if take first left for glencree or second for djouce. Sally gap ok from kippure side.

1bryan

Is there anything that can be done about this? Anyone we can contact or lobby to get this ridiculousness sorted? Those roads are so popular with cyclists that it's mind-boggling that they still persist with this method of resurfacing.

Wicklow county-council are on twitter but targetting that would probably be futile.

Or do we have to wait until someone breaks their neck and takes a civil action against the county council? This has effectively rendered that stretch of road a no-go area for the rest of the summer. It beggars belief.

ED E

1bryan wrote: »

Is there anything that can be done about this? Anyone we can contact or lobby to get this ridiculousness sorted? Those roads are so popular with cyclists that it's mind-boggling that they still persist with this method of resurfacing.

Wicklow county-council are on twitter but targetting that would probably be futile.

Or do we have to wait until someone breaks their neck and takes a civil action against the county council? This has effectively rendered that stretch of road a no-go area for the rest of the summer. It beggars belief.

Report Here:
http://fixyourstreet.ie/

Wicklow CoCo are meant to then respond within a reasonable timeframe.

1bryan

ED E wrote: »

Report Here:
http://fixyourstreet.ie/

Wicklow CoCo are meant to then respond within a reasonable timeframe.

thanks. Report submitted.

1bryan

just got this reply

Wicklow County Council Customer Care (Jun 2 2017)
Thank you for your comment which has been forwarded to Bray Municipal District.

ED E

They're monitoring their inbox at least.

siochain

Is it the road from sally gap to Laragh?

loyatemu

Weepsie wrote: »

It might just be temporary. They resurfaced some roads last summer with nice smooth tarmac just in time for the WW200 I think.

usually they leave it for a few weeks to allow traffic to beds in the chippings then they come back and sweep up remaining loose debris (though this is often a half assed job). If they were planning a proper resurfacing job they wouldn't be putting down chippings.

1bryan

Weepsie wrote: »

It might just be temporary. They resurfaced some roads last summer with nice smooth tarmac just in time for the WW200 I think.

they did a really good job on sections of that road last year. I thought the 'loose chipping' method was some cheap-assed way of getting by when budgets were tight. With the improved resurfacing from last year I'd hoped we wouldn't see that happening again.

They did the same on the western side of the wicklow gap a couple of years back. I also remember a section between sally gap and kilbride, and another just at the bottom of glenmacnass, between sally gap and laragh. Those sections seem ok now. Hopefully they'll get this sorted sooner rather than later.

PaulieC

1bryan wrote: »

Is there anything that can be done about this? Anyone we can contact or lobby to get this ridiculousness sorted? Those roads are so popular with cyclists that it's mind-boggling that they still persist with this method of resurfacing.

If you don't pay road tax then you don't have any basis for complaint :rolleyes:

Macy0161

I didn't think that some of the asphalt surfaces held up that great up there to be honest - probably need an awful lot of investment in the base. Although that section between Glenmacnass and Sally Gap which I assumed was temporary has held up ok!

Del2005

1bryan wrote: »

Is there anything that can be done about this? Anyone we can contact or lobby to get this ridiculousness sorted? Those roads are so popular with cyclists that it's mind-boggling that they still persist with this method of resurfacing.

Wicklow county-council are on twitter but targetting that would probably be futile.

Or do we have to wait until someone breaks their neck and takes a civil action against the county council? This has effectively rendered that stretch of road a no-go area for the rest of the summer. It beggars belief.

I can never understand how the council's don't need to do a safety statement or safety plan for these types of works. Let's throw several tonnes of loose chippings onto a road sure there's no issue if we stick up a temporary lower limit, not realising that it's lethal for anyone on 2 wheels and people pushing buggies will struggle. Then there's the risk of getting hit with a sharp stone flicked up by tyres. As said it'll take someone being seriously injured before they are made to stop.

ED E

Del2005 wrote: »

I can never understand how the council's don't need to do a safety statement or safety plan for these types of works. Let's throw several tonnes of loose chippings onto a road sure there's no issue if we stick up a temporary lower limit, not realising that it's lethal for anyone on 2 wheels and people pushing buggies will struggle. Then there's the risk of getting hit with a sharp stone flicked up by tyres. As said it'll take someone being seriously injured before they are made to stop.

HSWA covers mainly employees not the public, they have to do a safety analysis while working, but not what the result of the works will be.

mp31

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Yeah I nearly came off a couple of times heading from Maynooth to Dunboyne a few weeks ago going over the loose chippings that had pooled in one place.

This is part of my daily commute... now ruined by this nonsensical road covering :mad:

1bryan

got a response just now saying the loose chippings were swept away today. It's supposedly much better than it was with 'fewer' loose chippings than before.

dermo1990

1bryan wrote: »

got a response just now saying the loose chippings were swept away today. It's supposedly much better than it was with 'fewer' loose chippings than before.

"swept" Was up there this evening, and enjoyed a delightful amount of wheel spin while climbing the gap

daragh_

Went up this morning. It's fairly doable but I wouldn't attempt any standing climbing.

Saw one guy coming down and he was struggling to control the bike. I'll be very surprised if a few people don't come off on that descent today.

1bryan

this is the exact response I got

Surface dressing is the standard means of resealing and restoring skid resistance on rural roads. The engineer in charge has given assurance that the design and implementation of the works are in accordance with the guidelines. The operation by its nature will have loose chippings immediately after laying. Hence the reason for the extensive warning signs and advisory speed limit of 25kph. These signs will remain in place until there is adequate embedment and adhesion of the stone chippings in the tar and excess chippings swept off the road. Early sweeping was carried out today of some excess chips on the work that was carried out on Wednesday. I am informed that laying conditions were better and there are fewer loose chippings today. The quality of the finished surface will be apparent at the final sweeping within two weeks of completion of surface dressing the final section of the road.

Daithi101

Cycled that stretch today and it made for tough work. Not a hope of standing in the pedals and there seems to be a build up now of loose chippings in the bends. Looked to be very shaky for some people descending.

Hauki

I was heading up to Sally today through Enniskerry and Glencree. Road looked like absolute crap so decided to do a 180 degree turn and head to Featherbeds and back towards home.

uck51js9zml2yt

Perhaps it's a plan to keep cyclists off the roads!

Daroxtar

Sorry lads, where exactly is this? If I head up Stocking lane past the viewing point and on to Kippure, is it on that stretch?
Really can't understand why they would use chip and seal when they were able to use nice smooth, evenly graded asphalt on the stretches on the way towards Laragh? I don't buy into the idea that our climate would adversely affect the asphalt when it is used extensively in harsher climates in the mountains in Spain and France.

df

Was this way yesterday. The gravel starts before the cottage at Lower Lough Tay and runs all the way up to the climb past Upper Lough Tay. Slippey on the way up and really dodge on the way down, had to inch down.

alanjgalbraith

Tar & Larger Chip with loads of loose gravel on all of this section https://www.strava.com/segments/664543 ... From Kippure to the gap crossroads, it's not too bad with just small sections with less loose gravel and finer chippings which I assume was done a few weeks ago

loyatemu

if everyone on this thread lodges a complaint on http://www.wicklow.ie/fix-your-street hopefully it will persuade them to go back up and tidy it up again.

Limestone1

is this on the ww200 route ?

Montpelier Hill

Was on this route on sunday and came across a lady who was walking her bike down from Sally gap because of the slippery surface, they really do need to fix this

Suggest anyone with a wicklow address to write to their local councillor:

http://www.wicklow.ie/elected-council-members

1bryan

Limestone1 wrote: »

is this on the ww200 route ?

no, not this year.

oflahero

The bit I can't understand is that there were a couple of really smooth recently resurfaced sections that are now ripped up for this new gravel driveway. Living in hope that they might yet put a layer of tar on top...

dcp

Limestone1 wrote: »

is this on the ww200 route ?

No.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/21083408

dcp

Daroxtar wrote: »

Sorry lads, where exactly is this? If I head up Stocking lane past the viewing point and on to Kippure, is it on that stretch?

Yes. It starts just after the turn off for Glencree and lasts all the way to Sally Gap.

Thud

Same problem in UK:

http://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/more-than-1000-people-sign-petition-to-resurface-roads-properly-335465

-K2-

One positive thing to note: the climb from Powerscourt waterfall https://www.strava.com/segments/800547 has been resurfaced properly. Very smooth and a nice climb.

loyatemu

-K2- wrote: »

One positive thing to note: the climb from Powerscourt waterfall https://www.strava.com/segments/800547 has been resurfaced properly. Very smooth and a nice climb.

where does Strava get it's elevation data from - it reckons parts of that climb are 28%! It's steep but it's not that steep.

Daroxtar

Strava gets its data from the person who created the segment. If their GPS signal bounced off the side of a hill or something it could throw the data off a fair bit. Only way to remedy it is flag the segment and create a new one with better data

magicbastarder

yeah, i've often wondered why they don't finesse the data as more people cycle the segment. this is the worst example i know of, a 0.4km segment with a 30% gradient. starts at - (minus) 111m.

https://www.strava.com/segments/6089358

buffalo

One of the guys in our club just posted about a lot of sand on the road surface by the Viewing Point making it pretty sketchy.

Apparently from the sandbags holding down the 'road closed' signs from last week.

loyatemu

Daroxtar wrote: »

Strava gets its data from the person who created the segment. If their GPS signal bounced off the side of a hill or something it could throw the data off a fair bit. Only way to remedy it is flag the segment and create a new one with better data

OK - there's a few segments I've seen that are marked as "climbs" when they're actually flat or downhill, that would explain it. I assumed Strava were using some geo-survey or mapping data.

Plastik

Currently also closed from Sally Gap to Glenmacnass for resurfacing.