Civil birth record missing

amamac

Hi I'm looking for some suggestions.



I am looking for my Grandfather on the Civil Records. He was apparently born in 1912. Unfortunately, I can't track him down. I have found all of his brothers and sisters (he was number 10 in a family of 12) all in the SR District of Athy yet, he's not present. I have checked different names and unnamed children and even checked that maybe the eldest of the 12 could have actually been his mother (she would have been about 18 yrs old, so thought it could be possible).

I know while my grandad was still alive and reached pension age he had trouble because he didn't have a birth cert. So I'm looking for suggestions on where I could possibly look next. Could I go to the church in Stradbally (where they were from) and ask to look at 1912 baptism records? or where could I find Stradbally, Co. Laois (Queens County) church records for this year?

Thanks in advance

pinkypinky

Mod note: I've created a new thread.

OP - yes you could try the church. I'd phone them first to ask if they have records. Explain what you're looking for. They may have someone who'd look for you rather than allowing you to check yourself. Be prepared to furnish his death certificate in case they are up on their data protection rights (you have no right to data protection once dead!)

If you want to tell us his name and his parents' names, we can also try searching for you, in case you've missed something. EG: O' surnames have a couple of different spellings on www.irishgenealogy.ie so O'Connor wouldn't necessarily bring up OConnor.

Further thought, if you have the other siblings, map out potential 9 month gaps that he could have been born in. Maybe it wasn't 1912.

amamac

Thank you pinkypinky.

I think trying to get a look at Church records might be my only hope. None of the family's church records are on NLI microfilm but some are on Roots Ireland.

I have had plenty of fun with names on different branches of the family tree.

His name was Vincent Mahon
Mother: Mary Egan (Eagan)
Father: Michael Mahon

Vincent isn't an overly popular name at this time and might be a baptismal name? I have exhausted all surname possibilities - Mc, O, Mann, Mahan, Mahony and even Maher and Moran in case it was transcribed wrong.

Child 9 in the family DOB 23/9/1910
Child 10 Vincent - celebrated his birthday 12/7/1912
Child 11 in the family DOB 12/5/1913
Child 12 in the family DOB 18/7/1914

All the names match with family stories. (My grandfather died at the age of 92 so I knew him well and remember meeting 2 of his brothers.)

I have searched all of June 1911 to Oct 1912 Athy records on irishgenealogy nothing seems to fit for me but I did get sidetracked contemplating if the new registrar of births and deaths in Stradbally at the time - Dr. Thomas F. Higgins did something wrong seeing as he registered one of his own kids in 1911 and she was born in 1897. I quickly found out his family history!

Anyway thanks again. If you think of anything else let me know

Thomas from Presence

I'm missing a couple of marriages and births in the civil registry. There seems to be a fairly lax attitude to regulation in North County Dublin!

One thing to watch - My grandfather was John Brunkard and he was born on 14 February and the Rotunda took it upon themselves to name him "Valentine" on the registry. More commonly, there might not be a first name on the birth registry index and this may be written on it later outside the boxes (as with great granduncle) after the baptism.

KildareFan

I just wasted 4euro in the GRO office for a marriage cert for Jane... from 1870. Turns out it was for James which I already had. The index had wrongly turned James in to Jane.....

amamac

Thomas from Presence wrote: »

I'm missing a couple of marriages and births in the civil registry. There seems to be a fairly lax attitude to regulation in North County Dublin!

One thing to watch - My grandfather was John Brunkard and he was born on 14 February and the Rotunda took it upon themselves to name him "Valentine" on the registry. More commonly, there might not be a first name on the birth registry index and this may be written on it later outside the boxes (as with great granduncle) after the baptism.

Good to know thank you. I still have part of the family to search for in Dublin North

amamac

KildareFan wrote: »

I just wasted 4euro in the GRO office for a marriage cert for Jane... from 1870. Turns out it was for James which I already had. The index had wrongly turned James in to Jane.....

Ha yes this happened to me to. Only I was looking for a Jane married to a Thomas. Could not find them for ages turns out the transcribers thought it was Jamie (as she use to go by Janie).

I find the Irish Midlands records on Roots Ireland particularly bad. Not filling in names or dates correctly from the church records. And rarely filling in the sponsors/ witnesses names on marriage and birth cert. or maybe that's just family I've looked for.