Delonghi espresso machine a fifth of its price in Argos.

murphyebass

VeVeX wrote: »

Thanks for the advice. I was just about to enter a barista competition with mine.

I knew it would get a bitter response like this but I thought you know what offer advice to let those who want to know from someone who knows.

If you want to pull shots of crap coffee be my guest.

As I say a far better alternative is an aeropress and hand grinder.

Bear in mind an aeropress won't give you an espresso (although the neither will the machine listed by the op) but it will give you a nice clean cup of coffee. Coupled with some nicely fresh roasted and ground coffee you'll be on a winner.

For those who like milky drinks lidl and aldi do those €20 milk frother a from time to time that wouldn't be the worst investment.

fleet

murphyebass wrote: »

You'd be far better off spending you €60 on an aeropress and a hand grinder.

Spend €35 on a Delonghi grinder and you'll get a fine enough grind to have a 20-30 second draw on this machine.

Anyone who says you can't get a proper espresso off a 15bar domestic machine with the correct grind is fooling themselves.

There are many reasons for professional machines, warm up times, dual boilers, variable pressure etc. but with practice you can get similar at home.

.... and no, an Aeropress won't give you a proper espresso, it just doesn't have the required pressure.

VeVeX

murphyebass wrote: »

I knew it would get a bitter response like this but I thought you know what offer advice to let those who want to know from someone who knows.

If you want to pull shots of crap coffee be my guest.

As I say a far better alternative is an aeropress and hand grinder

Not bitter, just less ostentatious.

murphyebass

fleet wrote: »

Spend €35 on a Delonghi grinder and you'll get a fine enough grind to have a 20-30 second draw on this machine.

Anyone who says you can't get a proper espresso off a 15bar domestic machine with the correct grind is fooling themselves.

There are many reasons for professional machines, warm up times, dual boilers, variable pressure etc. but with practice you can get similar at home.

.... and no, an Aeropress won't give you a proper espresso, it just doesn't have the required pressure.

Ah come off it. You think you'll get a fine enough grind from a €35 grinder. Lol.
A grinder fit to grind finely and consistently enough for espresso would be minimum €200

And no amount of practice will give you a decent shot of espresso from this machine. It will be all over the place consistency wise as it doesn't have the parts required to achieve it like the solenoid being the big one I mentioned earlier which the early Gaggia Classic's have.

I already edited my aeropress comment to clarify. But still a faaaar better option.

Sappy404

J-C wrote: »

My sarcasm detector just exploded

You'd want to get yourself a better detector. Cheaper options like the one you were using won't pick up on the facetious subtleties you'll find on your modern internet, and will fail you when it comes to the more robust, snarkier put-downs such as Vevex's.

fleet

murphyebass wrote: »

Ah come off it. You think you'll get a fine enough grind from a €35 grinder. Lol.
A grinder fit to grind finely and consistently enough for espresso would be minimum €200

And no amount of practice will give you a decent shot of espresso from this machine. It will be all over the place consistency wise as it doesn't have the parts required to achieve it like the solenoid being the big one I mentioned earlier which the early Gaggia Classic's have.

I already edited my aeropress comment to clarify. But still a faaaar better option.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/DeLonghi-KG79-Professional-Burr-Grinder/dp/B01N9BA953

£50, but you get the idea.

The reasons for a €200 grinder are: longevity, duty cycle, guarantee, serviceability... not fineness of grind.

I work for a large multinational, we sell €10,000 pieces of equipment that can be bought from other manufactures for under €1,000 and will do the same job... but they don't come with the service and support, nor are they capable of the duty cycle. Otherwise they will give the exact same output.

murphyebass

fleet wrote: »

https://www.amazon.co.uk/DeLonghi-KG79-Professional-Burr-Grinder/dp/B01N9BA953

£50, but you get the idea.

The reasons for a €200 grinder are: longevity, duty cycle, guarantee, serviceability... not fineness of grind.

I work for a large multinational, we sell €10,000 pieces of equipment that can be bought from other manufactures for under €1,000 and will do the same job... but they don't come with the service and support, nor are they capable of the duty cycle. Otherwise they will give the exact same output.

Bulll**** on a €50/£50 giving you a grinder capable of grinding fine enough. Bull shiiit. Nothing to do with longevity etc that you are farting on about.

It's all about a consistant fine enough grind which no budget grinder will give you.

And I don't really care where you work by the way.

Bottom line here is if you want to buy a way into home espresso I can promise you this is not the way to do it. You will end up upgrading down the line to get something like a gaggia classic or better which will mean you'll spend a lot more money in the long run.

Save yourself the money and hassle and get an aeropress.
Not espresso but still by far the better entry level option.

Anyway I'm out. I tried.

joeKel73

murphyebass wrote: »

You get what you pay for.

While you're here, can I interest you in an iPhone? Or has that marketing team already topped up your kool aid?

crabbypaddy

For the benefit of those that have actually bought the machine. This is a pressurised basket machine you don't need an espresso grind in fact too fine a grind will generally block the basket, result in a bitter extraction and less crema. The KG79 is absolutely adequate for a pressurised basket machine and with good beans you can make a respectable coffee that any non anally retentive coffee lover would be happy with. Don't buy a blade grinder.

The KG79 will also grind fine enough for a 20s pour with an unpressurised basket once its dismantled and adjusted so the burrs are closer together but the grind is inconsistent so I don't think its worth investing in a new tamper and unpressurised baskets.

Saying aeropress coffee is better is like comparing stewed barrys tea and green tea - people may like both or either but they are different things entirely. Aeropress extracts a fraction of the fatty acids and other compounds that a pressurised basket machine will its a completely different flavour.

murphyebass

crabbypaddy wrote: »

The KG79 will also grind fine enough for a 20s pour with an unpressurised basket once its dismantled and adjusted so the burrs are closer together but the grind is inconsistent so I don't think its worth investing in a new tamper and unpressurised baskets.

Saying aeropress coffee is better is like comparing stewed barrys tea and green tea - people may like both or either but they are different things entirely. Aeropress extracts a fraction of the fatty acids and other compounds that a pressurised basket machine will its a completely different flavour.

If you think someone who bought one of these is going to take a grinder apart you've another thing coming. 1 in 10 buyers at a push might try it.

And I wasn't saying Aeropress was better than an espresso shot pulled properly with all the wonderful flavours that you elude to but what I am saying is 99% people buying this machine will not get that shot and I think an easier way of getting a great cup of coffee is aeropress.

WhiteMemento9

I wouldn't be so sure it is a mis-price. I posted a similar deal for this coffee machine recently. I bought one at the time. It is an amazing piece of kit for the money.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=102085972

longshanks

These threads always seem to follow the same predictable path. Self appointed experts rubbishing anything that doesn't cost the price of a small car.

Monkeynut

You put coffee in them. ohhhh

bromley52

I got this without realising it was only for espressos where as I like large coffees. Yes I know the title dose say Espresso.
It is unused so I am planning on returning it to Argos for a refund and also because it is missing the E.S.E pod
I will sell it to any boardie that wants it for cost €65. Must collect (Cork city). I have the receipt and there is also a €5 voucher on it good until the 22 Jun.

FatBeard

I could collect it next Friday/ Saturday. I'm down in cork.

FatBeard

FatBeard wrote: »

I could collect it next Friday/ Saturday. I'm down in cork.

Actually I'll retract that. I'm in youghal next weekend. Don't think I could make it to city. Sorry.

bromley52

bromley52 wrote: »

I got this without realising it was only for espressos where as I like large coffees. Yes I know the title dose say Espresso.
It is unused so I am planning on returning it to Argos for a refund and also because it is missing the E.S.E pod
I will sell it to any boardie that wants it for cost €65. Must collect (Cork city). I have the receipt and there is also a €5 voucher on it good until the 22 Jun.

Last chance for anyone who wants this. Returning it today.

Edit: Returned

WhiteMemento9

bromley52 wrote: »

Last chance for anyone who wants this. Returning it today.

Edit: Returned

I can't say I understand your reasoning. All coffee is made from Espresso? You add hot water to the shot of Espresso for an Americano or you add milk for a latte. It even has a milk frother on the side for lattes. It also does work with E.S.E pods.