Punishment overtake

Synthol

I performed a punishment overtake to a taxi driver who was merging on the M50 today at the speed of 50 km/h as I was punishing him I have noticed that he was looking at his gps. Behind him there were approximately 20 cars pissed off so by overtaking him I think I woke him up and he picked up the pace. If you can fail the test for lack of progress then why is it acceptable to merge while doing 50 km/h on the M50, it happens all the time. So when someone merges on the m50 at such speeds do you overtake them in the same lane or you follow them until they merge at dangerous speeds and endanger yourself as this happens all the time I am on the m50.

Synthol

Synthol wrote: »

I performed a punishment overtake to a taxi driver who was merging on the M50 today at the speed of 50 km/h as I was punishing him I have noticed that he was looking at his gps. Behind him there were approximately 20 cars pissed off so by overtaking him I think I woke him up and he picked up the pace. If you can fail the test for lack of progress then why is it acceptable to merge while doing 50 km/h on the M50, it happens all the time. So when someone merges on the m50 at such speeds do you overtake them in the same lane or you follow them until they merge at dangerous speeds and endanger yourself as this happens all the time I am on the m50.

I've never heard of a punishment overtake in my life but it's sounds aggressive .

what I would say is your on a bike mate calm down. You piss off a car driver and they tip you it's going to end a whole lot worse for you.

You sound like a very aggressive driver going around "punishing" other drivers.

frozenfrozen

what's a punishment overtake

When you notice people joining the motorway at a lower speed and they are ahead of you, either slow down or move into the overtaking lane.

jjpep

You do understand that your more likely to have a really bad outcome doing this than anyone else, right?

Synthol

frozenfrozen wrote: »

what's a punishment overtake

Overtaking in the same lane while pressing the horn and pointing at the speedo and sometimes showing some hand signals about speed or other aspects of their driving. It works because it wakes them up most of the time. I think of it as a way of improving the safety of everyone. While I put myself at risk for a short amount of time it is still less risky than merging on the m50 at the speed of 50 km/h.

Synthol

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When you notice people joining the motorway at a lower speed and they are ahead of you, either slow down or move into the overtaking lane.

Impossible as there is only one merging lane in most places.

Pinch Flat

What gives you the right to punish other road users? Is this not the job of the gardai?

Synthol

jjpep wrote: »

You do understand that your more likely to have a really bad outcome doing this than anyone else, right?

Absolutely, however it is still less risky than merging onto the road which has lorries and cars going twice the speed limit. Getting out in front of a lorry that is going 90 km/h while I am going 50 km/h is a recipe for disaster and survival changes are slim.

Synthol

jjpep wrote: »

You do understand that your more likely to have a really bad outcome doing this than anyone else, right?

Absolutely, however it is still less risky than merging onto the road which has lorries and cars going twice the speed limit. Getting out in front of a lorry that is going 90 km/h while I am going 50 km/h is a recipe for disaster and survival changes are slim.

Cork Lass

Synthol wrote: »

I performed a punishment overtake to a taxi driver who was merging on the M50 today at the speed of 50 km/h as I was punishing him I have noticed that he was looking at his gps. Behind him there were approximately 20 cars pissed off so by overtaking him I think I woke him up and he picked up the pace. If you can fail the test for lack of progress then why is it acceptable to merge while doing 50 km/h on the M50, it happens all the time. So when someone merges on the m50 at such speeds do you overtake them in the same lane or you follow them until they merge at dangerous speeds and endanger yourself as this happens all the time I am on the m50.

For a minute there I had an image of you kneecapping him as you went past :eek:

Synthol

Pinch Flat wrote: »

What gives you the right to punish other road users? Is this not the job of the gardai?

Merging slowly is not enforced and Gardai are rarely seen on the M50.

Tell me how

What are you looking for here?

You're completely in the wrong and endangering yourself and others knowingly.

Are you hoping to pass the evening justifying your behaviour?

I'm not interested in having that argument, am just curious.

Synthol

Synthol wrote: »

Impossible as there is only one merging lane in most places.

Wow, you were merging too!!!!! , I thought you were on the motorway.

is this a joke?

Synthol

Tell me how wrote: »

What are you looking for here?

You're completely in the wrong and endangering yourself and others knowingly.

Are you hoping to pass the evening justifying your behaviour?

I'm not interested in having that argument, am just curious.

So merging on the m50 at 50 km/h and making lorries having to slam on the brakes is not dangerous? I overtook the electronic device user and merged at 100 km/h which is much safer.

Synthol

Synthol wrote: »

Overtaking in the same lane while pressing the horn and pointing at the speedo and sometimes showing some hand signals about speed or other aspects of their driving. It works because it wakes them up most of the time. I think of it as a way of improving the safety of everyone. While I put myself at risk for a short amount of time it is still less risky than merging on the m50 at the speed of 50 km/h.

Your a clown mate a clown who shouldn't be on the road. It's only a matter of time before you get mowed over, if I was in the car and a lad on a bike did that to me I'd nearly be inclined to veer into them.

Who are you to be doing that, are you the law?

Synthol

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Wow, you were merging too!!!!! , I thought you were on the motorway.

is this a joke?

In the merging lane, merging to the M50

Synthol

Naomi Rotten Sunscreen wrote: »

Your a clown mate a clown who shouldn't be on the road. It's only a matter of time before you get mowed over, if I was in the car and a lad on a bike did that to me I'd nearly be inclined to veer into them.

Who are you to be doing that, are you the law?

Excellent logic, couldn't agree more.

The_Chap

Synthol wrote: »

So when someone merges on the m50 at such speeds do you overtake them in the same lane or you follow them until they merge at dangerous speeds and endanger yourself as this happens all the time I am on the m50.

If you have issues merging at any speed on a bike you shouldn't be riding

liam7831

loveisdivine wrote:

I know it will create some jobs and all that, but I think its a bad idea. Way more traffic, more noise and compared to the lovely natural land that is currently there, it will be unsightly.

punishment Lmao

Synthol

Synthol wrote: »

In the merging lane, merging to the M50

I completely understand now. I just didn't think anybody would think that was a good idea

I'm sure you made a more lasting impression on the 20 cars stuck behind the slow driver

How does making a dangerous situation more dangerous make any sense?

Synthol

The_Chap wrote: »

If you have issues merging at any speed on a bike you shouldn't be riding

I don't have issues, I stopped beside the driver on the gps, showed him the speedo and rode away before he even noticed what happened, however the taxi driver was endangering everyone behind him by merging at 50 km/h.

Synthol

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I completely understand now. I just didn't think anybody would think that was a good idea

I'm sure you made a more lasting impression on the 20 cars stuck behind the slow driver

How does making a dangerous situation more dangerous make any sense?

I made it more safe for myself. I had 2 options
Number 1: overtake the driver in the same lane.
Number 2: follow him at 50 km/h and merge to the m50 and make lorries slam on the brakes.

doolox

Coming onto the M50 at 50 kph is criminally slow but legally there is very little that can be done about it.

The minimum speed limit on the M50 is 50 kph which feels like a person is stopped when you are coming up behind such a person.

Never take your eyes off the road for a second.

Always have a look in your rear view mirror, The Swedes recommend every 20 seconds, so as to have knowledge of whats behind you at all times.

Always have a planning horizon of whats happening ahead of you as far as you can see, preferably 5 or six cars ahead, some cars I see late braking and being indecisive and hesitant are only observing the car in front of them, too little information and it does not allow for timely maneouvring to avoid being stuck up a slow coaches back while cleverer motorists get around him smoothly and safely.

Keep an eye out for rolling road blocks when two HGVs take up the inner 2 lanes trying to overtake the slower of the 2 and cannot succeed because both are limited to the same max speed and don't know it, or slow coaches pushing moderate speed people out into the outer lane to mix it with the fast boys.

As for motor bikes acting in any way aggressively with any other thing on the road, thats like bringing a plastic spoon to a gunfight, never mind the proverbial knife.

Synthol

Synthol wrote: »

I made it more safe for myself. I had 2 options
Number 1: overtake the driver in the same lane.
Number 2: follow him at 50 km/h and merge to the m50 and make lorries slam on the brakes.

Other road users already on the motorway should move into the overtaking lane and allow slower moving cars to merge safely, so your concern should have been the traffic in your lane, not motorway traffic. If everyone was to do what they were supposed to be doing, there should never be any hard breaking on the motorway because of slow traffic merging. When people start playing by their own rules, like you did, this is what causes accidents

"punishment overtake"
that's hilarious
mad dangerous but hilarious

km991148

Naomi Rotten Sunscreen wrote: »

Your a clown mate a clown who shouldn't be on the road. It's only a matter of time before you get mowed over, if I was in the car and a lad on a bike did that to me I'd nearly be inclined to veer into them.

Who are you to be doing that, are you the law?

Synthol wrote: »

Excellent logic, couldn't agree more.

And here we have it..

OP - 2 wrongs don't make a right - and more often they lead to 3 wrongs, 4 wrongs etc..

punisher5112

I always thought it were bicycles and motorcycle that were the ones that got punishment passes.

Op be very careful doing what you done as its obvious even from what you say he was oblivious to the traffic build up and you for that matter.

Taxi plate stands out to me to give a wide berth as they are extremely unpredictable and can do anything so best stay well away.

Yes it can be frustrating to get stuck behind such a scenario but pass when safe and if you feel like it give a blip of the throttle as passing.

km991148

Deleted User wrote: »

Other road users already on the motorway should move into the overtaking lane and allow slower moving cars to merge safely

On a side note - I thought this too (and do so) but apparently its down to the 'mergee' only to safely merge

John_Rambo

Some car drivers buzz cyclists if they feel they're not close enough to the kerb or if they're not using a cycle lane. It's basically overtaking at speed and only leaving a few milimetres to scare the cyclist or worse. It's now a phrase "punishment pass".

Never seen or heard of a motorcyclist doing it to another road user. Till now.

Jobs OXO

Synthol wrote: »

Overtaking in the same lane while pressing the horn and pointing at the speedo and sometimes showing some hand signals about speed or other aspects of their driving. It works because it wakes them up most of the time. I think of it as a way of improving the safety of everyone. While I put myself at risk for a short amount of time it is still less risky than merging on the m50 at the speed of 50 km/h.

I'd think of it as a way you could get yourself a few penalty points.

punisher5112

Its up to those coming onto the motoway to merge safely.

Traffic already on the motorway does not have to facilitate but it is a good option as there is nothing worse then having gaps closed and the merger then having to stop which is extremely dangerous.

CramCycle

Beeping the horn while alongside a driver who you already know is not paying attention is crazy stupid. I get why you done it, but it doesn't take away from the incredible risk you added to your own safety..

I see plenty of drivers like this all the time on the M50 and there is nearly always another option (even if it is doing nothing).

punisher5112

punisher5112 wrote: »

Its up to those coming onto the motoway to merge safely.

Traffic already on the motorway does not have to facilitate but it is a good option as there is nothing worse then having gaps closed and the merger then having to stop which is extremely dangerous.

With a name like that I was expecting you to announce you were another member of the punishment pass crew lol

punisher5112

Naomi Rotten Sunscreen wrote: »

With a name like that I was expecting you to announce you were another member of the punishment pass crew lol

Nah best time for punishment is when they exit their cage ;-)

Wonda-Boy

I just fitted a DENALI SOUNDBOMB on my bike....I am going "PUNISHING" like a mofo tomorrow on the M50!!!

Wonda-Boy

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

I just fitted a DENALI SOUNDBOMB on my bike....I am going "PUNISHING" like a mofo tomorrow on the M50!!!

Are they big? Would it fit in a gixxer fairing
I think that's a very smart thing to fit, good safety device imo

Pugzilla

This is a real punishment overtake....

Wonda-Boy

Thats an awful lot of work.....when a hefty motorcycle boot does an ample job!

Wonda-Boy

Naomi Rotten Sunscreen wrote: »

Are they big? Would it fit in a gixxer fairing
I think that's a very smart thing to fit, good safety device imo

They are a big unit in fairness, it could very well fit under a gixxer fairing. But to be sure buy the one that comes in two parts rather then one big unit like I got. Its the exact same but split for easier installation then it deffo will fit, just dont get the mini one they are brutal.

gerrowadat

Synthol wrote: »

I performed a punishment overtake

Haha. That wasn't enough so you came home and started a punishment thread.

Only a matter of time for clowns like you.

zubair

I'm not sure of the scenario here exactly but I would have overtaken as safely as I could while using the bikes main advantage over the rest of the traffic, blistering acceleration. I may also have continued on the merge lane when the taxi started merging and "undertake" him and merged further down, depending on how much road I had left.

What I wouldn't have done is, pointed at my speedo, made eye contact, given hand gesture, etc. What I would have done is, checked my mirrors, indicated, shoulder checked and floored it. Don't waste your time with road rage, you just look like a dick. Not sure how long you're on the bike but if 1 oblivious driver is causing this sort of reaction be prepared to spend most of your remaining days punishing other road users.

Krusty_Clown

gerrowadat wrote: »

Haha. That wasn't enough so you came home and started a punishment thread.

He came home, registered an account on Boards and then started a thread that paints bikers in a bad light. Disgruntled taxi driver?

frozenfrozen

high likelihood he's the same fella who has had a few threads like this on different accounts like looking for a ktm 1290 as his first bike or duc 1299

batman_oh

Did you whip his botty? :pac:

Hotblack Desiato

Synthol wrote: »

I made it more safe for myself. I had 2 options
Number 1: overtake the driver in the same lane.
Number 2: follow him at 50 km/h and merge to the m50 and make lorries slam on the brakes.

You had another and much better option. Slow down even more, let that fool merge (or crash) well ahead of you, and give yourself space to accelerate to a safe merging speed - not that that would take long on most bikes.

You have a big advantage over almost any car so why not use it to increase your safety instead of reducing it.

Samuel T. Cogley

OP all I ask is you carry a donor card. Carry on. Nothing wrong with a good beeping but the other stuff seems a bit like putting yourself in harms way for no good reason.

MarkR

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

OP all I ask is you carry a donor card. Carry on.

Was actually thinking the same thing.

9or10

Synthol wrote: »

Overtaking in the same lane while pressing the horn and pointing at the speedo and sometimes showing some hand signals about speed or other aspects of their driving. It works because it wakes them up most of the time. I think of it as a way of improving the safety of everyone. While I put myself at risk for a short amount of time it is still less risky than merging on the m50 at the speed of 50 km/h.

Should have mooned him too

TallGlass

OP, your first post and the one explaining your behaviour honestly have me in laughing out loud here.

This thread cannot be serious.

Max Headroom

When I saw this thread I was half expecting the poster to have gotten all Mad Max on some driver.....dissapointed to say the least.....next time stick yer tongue out too.....