English FA to introduce retrospective bans for diving

GLaDOS

Apparently this is due to be approved by the FA

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/fa-set-to-approve-retrospective-bans-for-divers-at-wembley-meeting-35728890.html

The Football Association is expected to approve a proposal for retrospective bans for players who dive or feign injury in English football from next season.

The idea, which is already being used in Scotland, is on the agenda at the FA's annual general meeting at Wembley on Thursday.

It is understood that the English Football League, League Managers Association, Premier League and Professional Footballers' Association support the plan.

If approved by three-quarters of the 1,100 FA shareholders, three-man panels will review footage from the weekend each Monday and a ny player unanimously found to have cheated can expect a ban.

Very happy to see this coming in. Obvious there will be a lot of cases that are borderline, but it will punish the blatant offenders. Should make players think twice about diving too.

Didn't realise it was implemented in the SPL, any thoughts from Scottish fans?

Pro. F

I'm a lot more excited about this than the video replays to help refs. This will improve the game so much. More than just making refs' jobs easier it will also make games much better to watch. No more seeing grown men jumping on the floor, clutching their faces and rolling around when somebody brushed passed them and it wasn't even a foul. Yes please.

Hopefully they implement it properly. Sounds good so far.

dzer2

The FA will surely balls it up


Way better plan to deduct points from the team that way it gets everyones attention.

HalloweenJack

All for it but needs to be implemented from the start.

It'll be interesting if in the first weeks someone like Dele Alli or Harry Kane (not saying they're divers, just giving examples of English media darlings) get called on diving.

Any word on how it has gone in Scotland?

Harry Palmr

Could the OP double click the title (go back to the soccer front page) and add "to be introduced". I just thought this was an opinion thread rather than a news item and so nearly didn't bother to click

As for this news, everyone should be pleased to rid the game of feigning a peno box fall. Of course there will still be contentious decisions made during games and you can't give back points afterwards.

Quazzie

Will English players be exempt from this the same way they are exempt from criticism from the pundits?

This could be a good move, but I don't think they are going to go far enough with it. Every case will be borderline and eventually no one will be punished.

bucketybuck

Will the FA also train refs to give free kicks in instances where the player is fouled but doesn't go to ground?

GLaDOS

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Could the OP double click the title (go back to the soccer front page) and add "to be introduced". I just thought this was an opinion thread rather than a news item and so nearly didn't bother to click

Ha, fair point, been done a million times in fairness :pac:

TitianGerm

HalloweenJack wrote: »

All for it but needs to be implemented from the start.

It'll be interesting if in the first weeks someone like Dele Alli or Harry Kane (not saying they're divers, just giving examples of English media darlings) get called on diving.

Any word on how it has gone in Scotland?

Rashford had one of the worst dives a few weeks ago and the guys on MOTD slated him which I was surprised about. The BT and Sky guys usually call it "cute" play and then slate the forigen players.

MisterAnarchy

This is very welcome news.
It will only apply to penalties won and red card offences initially though it would seem from the wording of the statement.

rob316

Just as long as the same rules apply to the likes of Dele Ali and Rashford and the dirty cheating foreigners :rolleyes:

Arghus

I wonder a bit about how hard it's going to be to prove definitely that a dive is a dive.

TitianGerm

Hopefully it'll stop players flopping on the ground like they've been taken out by a sniper a mile away when they feel the opponent look at them ala Herrera a few weeks ago (in fairness he called out on that).

It's by no means just him and so many players are prone to it nowadays.

citytillidie

Arghus wrote: »

I wonder a bit about how hard it's going to be to prove definitely that a dive is a dive.

I say it will be more for the likes of this

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ross-countys-alex-schalk-handed-10256665

DJIMI TRARORE

Unfortunately they will still do it,imagine 92nd min,1_1,go to ground , score pen,well worth 1;2;or3 match ban. I'm guessing the panel can't cancel a goal,which would be brilliant

dzer2

DJIMI TRARORE wrote: »

Unfortunately they will still do it,imagine 92nd min,1_1,go to ground , score pen,well worth 1;2;or3 match ban. I'm guessing the panel can't cancel a goal,which would be brilliant

This is where taking points off the team would stop the diving. And the more the committee gets it wrong and suspends players wrongly the less diving you will see

citytillidie

citytillidie wrote: »

I say it will be more for the likes of this

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/ross-countys-alex-schalk-handed-10256665

A referee ban is what that should've led to.

LuckyLloyd

This is great, long overdue.

5starpool

Presumably only bans for dives that con the ref? If he doesn't give a pen or red cards or whatever that affects a games it won't be mentioned I presume?

It'll need to be clarified anyhow before the season gets underway.

irelandrover

One thing that doesnt make sense to me is the fact that a dive in a match is only a yellow card. However if punished afterwards then you get a ban. Is there any other case where a yellow card offence is a ban if seen later?

Milkers

Very good news even if it will be applied inconsistently. Better than current state.

TitianGerm

irelandrover wrote: »

One thing that doesnt make sense to me is the fact that a dive in a match is only a yellow card. However if punished afterwards then you get a ban. Is there any other case where a yellow card offence is a ban if seen later?

Not that I know of. But this is a good thing, and if it stops this silly diving it's worth the additional bans.

irelandrover

emmetkenny wrote: »

Not that I know of. But this is a good thing, and if it stops this silly diving it's worth the additional bans.

Im not saying its a bad thing. I fully agree that it shoud be a ban. Id also upgrade the punishment in the match to a red card to match.

~Rebel~

dzer2 wrote: »

The FA will surely balls it up


Way better plan to deduct points from the team that way it gets everyones attention.

Over-punishment causes just as many problems as under-punishing. Player bans are punishment enough.

Richard Hillman

I have no idea why they need to have an ex-manager on this panel.

It will be interesting to see who they will have on this panel because looking at Refwatch on SSN with Dermot Gallagher every monday, the Ex-Pros are usually dumb-as sugar when it comes to applying the laws of the game.

marklazarcovic

2nd offence should be 5 game ban too

Korat

Sounds good in theory but has the potential to become trial by media. Remember Rooney swore at the camera and got a three game ban basically because it was good theatre for all involved? (except Rooney and Utd of course)

You see wildly differing opinions on dives from people in the game depending on who is involved. In similar scenarios one player is 'trying to con the ref' but another has to 'jump to avoid injury'.

I have no faith that they'll get the application right and fair.

tanko

This is terrible news for any team managed by Jose Mourinho. He'll have to come up with another tactic apart from telling his players to throw themselves to the ground as soon as they get into the penalty area.

Agent Coulson

Big Sam is not in favour of it so that alone makes it a good thing.

bill66

Korat wrote: »

Sounds good in theory but has the potential to become trial by media. Remember Rooney swore at the camera and got a three game ban basically because it was good theatre for all involved? (except Rooney and Utd of course)

You see wildly differing opinions on dives from people in the game depending on who is involved. In similar scenarios one player is 'trying to con the ref' but another has to 'jump to avoid injury'.

I have no faith that they'll get the application right and fair.

This is spot on. In most cases it is purely subjective. There is, in the vast majority of instances, no way to know for sure what a player is thinking. There will be just as much perceived and genuine injustice next season with this new rule in place.

Korat

tanko wrote: »

This is terrible news for any team managed by Jose Mourinho. He'll have to come up with another tactic apart from telling his players to throw themselves to the ground as soon as they get into the penalty area.

Solid contribution, keep up the good work.

dzer2

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Over-punishment causes just as many problems as under-punishing. Player bans are punishment enough.

But its not over punishment the article said that it would only be looking at decisions that effected the result. Like a dive that wins a penalty or a free kick on the edge of the box that a score comes from or gets a man sent off or booked.

This will reduce the amount of incidents that have to be investigated and they have 2 or more camera angles

blueser

Shocking dive in the Luton/Blackpool game that won Luton a penalty.

Corholio

Bans can't come soon enough after watching the awful dive by the Luton player to win a penalty in the play off semi final. Anyone who sees diving as 'part' of the game is just another victim of how the modern game portrays itself.

blueser

Corholio wrote: »

Bans can't come soon enough after watching the awful dive by the Luton player to win a penalty in the play off semi final. Anyone who sees diving as 'part' of the game is just another victim of how the modern game portrays itself.

If I was Danny Hylton, I'd keep away from Twitter tonight. Then again, if cheating didn't worry him, insults on social media won't either.

Lyle Lanley

Good step towards ruining the game. Throw in the video reffing soon enough and that'll be it ****ed. All to appease the armchair supporter.

blueser

Corholio wrote: »

Bans can't come soon enough after watching the awful dive by the Luton player to win a penalty in the play off semi final. Anyone who sees diving as 'part' of the game is just another victim of how the modern game portrays itself.

Justice done, Blackpool with a last minute winner to get to Wembley.

eagle eye

Just taking an alternate view here for a moment. I'm all for it but there are instances where no contact is made because a player dives to prevent himself being injured when a foot is dangling and if he stays upright he is getting clattered.

I'd hope that in a case such as what I mention that there is a common sense approach to it.

This is welcome news.

LuckyLloyd

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

Good step towards ruining the game. Throw in the video reffing soon enough and that'll be it ****ed. All to appease the armchair supporter.

I think it's all to improve the game, actually.

Gavlor

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

Good step towards ruining the game. Throw in the video reffing soon enough and that'll be it ****ed. All to appease the armchair supporter.

Who else are they supposed to appease if not their target audience?

beertons

Scenario.

Player dives in the box. Ref gives a peno. Boom, divers team win 2-1.

They get 3 points, other team get none. Will they deduct the goal from the diver, from the golden boot tally, and deduct 2 points from winning team and call the game now a draw?

How has this been working in Scotland? I haven't heard a bit about it till now.

BeepBeep67

I'm not overly in favour of retrospective anythings in football.
The closer we can to in game punishment so the opposing team benefits on the spot.

Also think yellow cards should result in 10-15mins on the bench.

murpho999

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

Good step towards ruining the game. Throw in the video reffing soon enough and that'll be it ****ed. All to appease the armchair supporter.

Yes, it has ruined other sports such as rugby and means that correct decisions and punishments are handed out.

Ruined the game just for me watching it at home.:rolleyes:

grumpymunster

In many ways this is to be welcomed but some perspective - a dive is an attempt to con the ref just as handball or a foul is cheating if you want. But is it worse than a foul or a handball? No its not so any talk of a 5 game ban for a second offence is way too extreme 1 then 2 then 3 perhaps but 1 is enough for me.

The thing is the rules in general are so obscure and plain daft at times it will not be implemented fairly.

There is some logic if it is only for dives which affect the outcome of a game - but if a player gets booked for "fouling" a player when he in fact dived but it does not have a material effect on the outcome of the game the booking will obviously stand. An innocent player may then get a ban over the totting up scheme and that may have a material effect on another game.

The only fair way of dealing with these things is all or nothing and there are not that many dives anyway in the scheme of things so why not all?

Minderbinder

Didn't they try this years ago and they tried to ban some Arsenal player but they couldn't prove it?

I doubt anything will come of it. It's just a nice soundbite to make it look like they're trying to do something.

Last August they were talking about a new zero tolerance policy towards players who abuse refs or complain about decisions. There was a couple of yellow cards and now everyone has forgotten about it.

ArmaniJeanss

I'm not sure FIFA will allow 2/3 game bans for something which is a mere yellow card offence in gameplay (that it perhaps should be more than a yellow card offence is a different point).
That they allowed Scotland to do it may be because of a 'no-one cares about Scotland' attitude rather than approval of it.
Or maybe the newly chastened FIFA won't push it.

In general I don't really think it's a good idea to have a situation where the major leagues/competitions of soccer each operate under different official rules of the game.

An emergency CAS appeal by a banned player would be interesting "they've banned me for 3 games but the rules of the sport say its a yellow card offence". I'm not sure how that would go.

Interesting move anyway.

dfx-

As a critic of video technology being introduced, I'd be happy with this coming in. Retrospective action is all that is needed and all possible punishments should be in order. The later the incident takes place or the more effect on the final result (i.e. for a winning penalty) the harsher the penalty including dropped points. Also if say three or more of your team are cited from one match, the harsher the penalty.

That would put an end to 'chancing it anyway'.

Lyle Lanley

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, it has ruined other sports such as rugby and means that correct decisions and punishments are handed out.

Ruined the game just for me watching it at home.:rolleyes:

Rugby was **** with or without videoreffing. Why is the biggest most popular sport in the world looking to emulate sports played by posh people in 8 countries worldwide?

LuckyLloyd

Lyle Lanley wrote: »

Rugby was **** with or without videoreffing. Why is the biggest most popular sport in the world looking to emulate sports played by posh people in 8 countries worldwide?

These are the type of nuanced and far reaching perspectives we should allow to drive the sport.

~Rebel~

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

These are the type of nuanced and far reaching perspectives we should allow to drive the sport.

Hey now, he sold monorails to Brockway, Ogdenville, and North Haverbrook, and, by gum, it put them on the map!