Bmw being taken to court in Ireland

bmwguy

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bmw-faces-raft-of-legal-cases-over-car-engine-failures-35668332.html

If anyone here affected by the timing chain issue there might be strength in numbers for recourse. Even just to get it fixed not sue. Might help someone.

Bodhan

bmwguy wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/bmw-faces-raft-of-legal-cases-over-car-engine-failures-35668332.html

If anyone here affected by the timing chain issue there might be strength in numbers for recourse. Even just to get it fixed not sue. Might help someone.

How has it taken 10 years for this problem to surface? BMW must have known about it for them to change the way it's made in 2008.

bazz26

Because car manufacturers like most large corporations in Europe can get away with $hit alot more. It's like VW and dieselgate. We get a software "fix" that breaks more than it fixes while the Americans get their cars bought back off them by VW and handed out monetary compensation.

Elessar

I have a 2009 reg E90 diesel, with this engine (I think). The timing chain is always at the back of my mind. But BMW state that this was fixed post June 2008 - is this correct?

I have the extended warranty so I'm not too concerned, but I wouldn't want the car just going dead at 120kph on a motorway!

bazz26

The timing chain has failed on cars upto 2013, just not on the same scale as the early ones.

BlinkingLights

bazz26 wrote: »

Because car manufacturers like most large corporations in Europe can get away with $hit alot more. It's like VW and dieselgate. We get a software "fix" that breaks more than it fixes while the Americans get their cars bought back off them by VW and handed out monetary compensation.

There's absolutely nothing stopping Irish VW owners going to Irish courts with this. The EU has nothing to do with civil cases for compensation.

bazz26

And how far up the legal challenge route is an individual's or group's money going to go versus that of a multi billion corporation? You cannot file a class action here, you can in the US.

BlinkingLights

bazz26 wrote: »

And how far up the legal challenge route is an individual's or group's money going to go versus that of a multi billion corporation? You cannot file a class action here, you can in the US.

You can file a "multiparty action" here and it's beginning to become more common.

GhostyMcGhost

BlinkingLights wrote: »

There's absolutely nothing stopping Irish VW owners going to Irish courts with this. The EU has nothing to do with civil cases for compensation.

Except deep pockets

GM228

BlinkingLights wrote: »

bazz26 wrote: »

And how far up the legal challenge route is an individual's or group's money going to go versus that of a multi billion corporation? You cannot file a class action here, you can in the US.

You can file a "multiparty action" here and it's beginning to become more common.

Correct, they are not all that common and are known as Representative Actions or Joinder Actions (it's also possible to have Consolidated Actions, but they are not quite the same) and have been possible in Ireland since 1873, some 65 years before class actions in the US, the US model is based on the English model.

BlinkingLights

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Except deep pockets

An organised group with lots of people involved has deep pockets!

Del2005

BlinkingLights wrote: »

You can file a "multiparty action" here and it's beginning to become more common.

IIRC the problem here is that you can only receive compensation for the actual loss and since there is no loss to the owner then it's not worth making a claim. In the US they can give any compensation, which is why VW are buying back there.

ION08

Yet you still have people coming to this forum on a nearly weekly basis asking for buying advice on 320d's and 520d's :rolleyes: