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filbert the fox

Was at a funeral recently.

Asked one of my friends did he want a drink - said eh. 7up please

Went to Bar and got fizzy white stuff which half filled a small glass. Said Sprite on the bottle.
handed a fiver and got shrapnel back
......
......

€3.20 :eek:

Xterminator

i'vebeen charged 3.00 in my local pub.
its not right but its not over the odds either.

for that establishment its in line with what my expectation would be.

TallGlass

Try asking for a splash instead of glass bottled. Usually cheaper.

filbert the fox

TallGlass wrote: »

Try asking for a splash instead of glass bottled. Usually cheaper.

hey thanks for the advice but I'm a no compromise kinda guy. This is the rip off Ireland forum and fizzy sugary water should not cost more than brewed product.
Three of these would make a pint - you wouldn't pay €9.60 for a pint - even if it was craft beer!

rubadub

filbert the fox wrote: »

This is the rip off Ireland forum and fizzy sugary water should not cost more than brewed product.

What did you expect it to cost? the price was not too surprising to me. It is very much the norm for bottled soft drinks to cost more per ml in pubs, think it has been for as long as I remember.

I don't like it, I think its a disgrace, especially when they go on about designated drivers and problems with alcohol. But I am most certainly aware of the prices and never buy them for myself, sickens me paying in rounds or if someone handed me money for it.

People need to start asking prices in pubs, the publicans take full advantage of this odd tradition of never daring to enquire about prices.

I do not consider it a rip off though, just a high price -I understand many equate the 2 and I would like to see it cleared up, as I expect those who do think they are synonymous would like to. The sticky links are a bit confusing.

see the "what is a rip off" link

LFCFan wrote: »

As suggested by Sceptre, I've decided to add a sticky for people to discuss what they consider to be a ripoff.

The dictionary defines it as:

1. an act or instance of ripping off another or others; a theft, cheat, or swindle.
2. exploitation, esp. of those who cannot prevent or counter it.
3. a copy or imitation.
4. a person who rips off another or others; thief or swindler.

Someone coming to my door and taking money from me to tar my drive but then not doing it is, in my mind, not a ripoff. It would be a scam. Something illegal.

so he gives a dictionary definition that I would agree with, and then sort of infers he does not agree with it, but it is not overly direct. As there is no warning before the dictionary definition I guess some might read to that point and leave it. It is also vague as he is describing a job not being done at all, I would call that a scam myself. A ripoff would be them promising a certain tenth of tarmac and delivering less.

also appeared to be supposed to be comparing prices here with other EU countries. I think higher price per ml for bottled soft drinks is common elsewhere.

LFCFan wrote: »

What this forum is for is to discuss when consumers have been ripped off because of high prices. Ripoff Ireland forum was started to discuss the rediculously hihg prices of goods and services in Ireland compared to our European neighbours and mainly came about because of our change to Euro and the fact it was easier to see the price differences.

Xterminator

Hi Op

i think you missed my point that the cost was exactly in line with what my expectations would be in an upmarket pub/hotel bar.

now you can talk about how the vintners defend the markups - see below.

"But Vintners’ Federation of Ireland chief Padraig Cribben said the extra money accounted for overheads such as wages.
He added: “Your local publican is providing far more than just a soft drink. “As well as offering a safe space to socialise, most pubs provide entertainment, quality food and free access to sport on TV. There is no substitute for the unique atmosphere of an Irish pub. It’s a bit like asking, ‘Would you rather watch a film on your TV at home or go to the cinema?”"

source http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/markup-bottles-coke-pubs-restaurants-10012788

NUTLEY BOY

For as far back as I can remember - soberly - mixers and minerals have always been disproportionately expensive in pubs and hotel bars in Ireland. The only places where I ever found the prices of these items to be relatively reasonable was in the bars of sports clubs.

I think that people probably benchmark the high prices of these items against the unit cost if they were buying a larger size in a supermarket.

Despite all the various drink driving campaigns in Ireland there has never really been an incentive to drink soft drinks or minerals. There was once an overtly commercial strategy aimed at so-called designated drivers - the pubs would give a certain amount of free soft drinks to the designated drivers but I don't know where that ever went. The core point here is that is cheaper in Ireland to drink alcohol in a pub than soft drinks !!

Another thing that mystified me in Ireland was that you would be charged more than 50% of the price of a pint for a half pint. I am not sure what the situation is now but in England I remember being able regularly get a "swift half" for 50% of the price of a whole pint. Doubtless the Irish explanation is overheads, insurance, climate change and whatever you're having yourself..........

L1011

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

For as far back as I can remember - soberly - mixers and minerals have always been disproportionately expensive in pubs and hotel bars in Ireland. The only places where I ever found the prices of these items to be relatively reasonable was in the bars of sports clubs.

I think that people probably benchmark the high prices of these items against the unit cost if they were buying a larger size in a supermarket.

Despite all the various drink driving campaigns in Ireland there has never really been an incentive to drink soft drinks or minerals. There was once an overtly commercial strategy aimed at so-called designated drivers - the pubs would give a certain amount of free soft drinks to the designated drivers but I don't know where that ever went. The core point here is that is cheaper in Ireland to drink alcohol in a pub than soft drinks !!

Another thing that mystified me in Ireland was that you would be charged more than 50% of the price of a pint for a half pint. I am not sure what the situation is now but in England I remember being able regularly get a "swift half" for 50% of the price of a whole pint. Doubtless the Irish explanation is overheads, insurance, climate change and whatever you're having yourself..........

Coca Cola Ireland used to provide free soft drinks around Christmas in a few pubs. Took a few months off drinking one year and made heavy use of that.

MFlack2012

filbert the fox wrote: »

Was at a funeral recently.

Asked one of my friends did he want a drink - said eh. 7up please

Went to Bar and got fizzy white stuff which half filled a small glass. Said Sprite on the bottle.
handed a fiver and got shrapnel back
......
......

€3.20 :eek:

Went to Kilkenny for two overnights last week. Purchased 7up in the hotel bar with dinner (Which turned out to be Sprite) €3.00. Had two large bottles of TK White upstairs in hotel room; for myself and the kids (This is what we buy at home, don't much like 7Up and hate Sprite). Went back the next day and purchased a coffee for Gran while we were waiting on the others to get out of the pool, asked for 7Up for mself but spotted TK White behind the bar (for mixers I guess), asked for that instead. Paid €2.50 for the Coffee and TK was free!

Demonique

That's why you always ask the price before you buy and vote with your feet if it's too expensive

Sleeper12

filbert the fox wrote:

hey thanks for the advice but I'm a no compromise kinda guy. This is the rip off Ireland forum and fizzy sugary water should not cost more than brewed product. Three of these would make a pint - you wouldn't pay €9.60 for a pint - even if it was craft beer!

My pet hate is in a filling station a litre of water costs a lot more than a litre of petrol. There's excise duty on petrol . It should cost more as we'll run out of it one day.

CeilingFly

Sleeper12 wrote: »

My pet hate is in a filling station a litre of water costs a lot more than a litre of petrol. There's excise duty on petrol . It should cost more as we'll run out of it one day.

That's ridiculous comparison.

Fuel is delivered by tanker in deliveries of 20,000+ litres.A single litre of water is purified, bottled, packaged into slabs and delivered in lots of probably 6-12 slabs per delivery.

You'll probably notice in same place a 2 litre bottle of water is cheaper than the 1 litre and in most supermarkets you'll get 2 litre bottles for 50c

rubadub

Sleeper12 wrote: »

My pet hate is in a filling station a litre of water costs a lot more than a litre of petrol. There's excise duty on petrol . It should cost more as we'll run out of it one day.

if you are ever going for a job interview for a role involving setting prices, please do not tell them that! laughable stuff.

Do you actually buy this water in petrol stations? have you not copped on yet and bring your own? If you do not buy it be thankful that idiots do, otherwise your petrol would likely have to be more expensive for them to be able to operate.

Sleeper12

CeilingFly wrote: »

That's ridiculous comparison.

Fuel is delivered by tanker in deliveries of 20,000+ litres.A single litre of water is purified, bottled, packaged into slabs and delivered in lots of probably 6-12 slabs per delivery.

You'll probably notice in same place a 2 litre bottle of water is cheaper than the 1 litre and in most supermarkets you'll get 2 litre bottles for 50c

Current average petrol price: 136.9 Current Vat: 25.6c/litre Fixed Duty: 59.622c/litre Government take: 85.22c/litre Cost before tax & duty: 51.68c/litre Retailer & distributor margin (est): 11c/litre

11c profit on Petrol. How much do they make on water?

rubadub

Sleeper12 wrote: »

11c profit on Petrol. How much do they make on water?

This is just bizarre. If you owned a petrol station would you decide your pricing of 1L of water based on the profits you get for selling petrol?!

If there were "drinking water stations" and people typically came in with tanks and bought 50L of water at a time, and the odd one picked up a litre bottle of petrol for convenience, then I imagine they would decide to price the petrol to make a tad more than 11cent per litre. And the water would be cheaper than what petrol stations charge -and they could still be a viable business.

CelticRambler

rubadub wrote: »

If there were "drinking water stations" and people typically came in with tanks and bought 50L of water at a time ...

We have those in France. We call them "kitchen taps" and it typically costs 0.003€/litre. Doesn't stop people using petrol at 1.34€/litre to get to their local supermarket so they can pay 0.50€/litre for the same stuff wrapped in plastic ... But if it keeps some overpaid CEO in bonues, who are we to complain. :pac:

Sleeper12

rubadub wrote:

This is just bizarre. If you owned a petrol station would you decide your pricing of 1L of water based on the profits you get for selling petrol?!

I'm comparing the price of petrol /water in the a filling station. It's the exact same as comparing alcohol and 7up

rubadub

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I'm comparing the price of petrol /water in the a filling station. It's the exact same as comparing alcohol and 7up

is that a firm yes to this question below?

rubadub wrote: »

If you owned a petrol station would you decide your pricing of 1L of water based on the profits you get for selling petrol?!

Sleeper12

I thought we were on a rip off thread?

One product will eventually run out. Gone forever. But the more expensive product literally falls from the sky.

L1011

Sleeper12 wrote: »

But the more expensive product literally falls from the sky.

In a form I doubt you'd be willing to drink.

rubadub

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I thought we were on a rip off thread?

so did I, are you going to answer my question or have you copped on what you will look like whether you answer yes or no?

Sleeper12 wrote: »

One product will eventually run out. Gone forever. But the more expensive product literally falls from the sky.

bizarre criteria for coming up with pricing decisions. Last time I checked plastic and/or glass do not fall from the sky, which is usually the main cost of bottled water, along with transport -petrol/diesel.

Sleeper12

rubadub wrote:

bizarre criteria for coming up with pricing decisions. Last time I checked plastic and/or glass do not fall from the sky, which is usually the main cost of bottled water, along with transport -petrol/diesel.

My point is everyone moans about the price of petrol and yet the real rip off is the bottle of water costing penny's to produce.
Water is a rip off everywhere in Ireland but more noticeable in the filling station

You seem to be the stubborn type so important not expecting you to agree

rubadub

I'm stubborn?! you're the one stubbornly refusing to answer my question.

If you owned a petrol station would you decide your pricing of 1L of water based on the profits you get for selling petrol?!

I have already covered your utterly ludicrous petrol/water comparison, which explains why people do moan about petrol (and people do moan about both).

If there were "drinking water stations" and people typically came in with tanks and bought 50L of water at a time, and the odd one picked up a litre bottle of petrol for convenience, then I imagine they would decide to price the petrol to make a tad more than 11cent per litre. And the water would be cheaper than what petrol stations charge -and they could still be a viable business.

Have you any response to that. -But first, please, pretty please, answer the other question...

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Water is a rip off everywhere in Ireland

I think 26cent per litre in tesco is pretty reasonable considering the processing, packaging and transport involved. In the homebrew forum many think the same.

https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/Product/Details/?id=267832188

their range of flavoured 1L bottles of water are just 35cent
https://www.tesco.ie/groceries/product/search/default.aspx?searchBox=Flavoured%20Water%201Ltr

Sleeper12

The questions you ask have no relation to rip off. It doesn't matter why a filling station owner prices things the way he does. If it is a rip off price then it's a rip off price.

Some examples in my own trade. Triton as2000xt shower 150 in UK. Same shower here €265. Aqualisa aquastream 450 in the UK & 600 here. Triton t90z 110 in UK & 200 here. It doesn't matter why suppliers charge these prices in comparison to something else. They are still rip off prices.

rubadub

hahaha, this is getting even more ridiculous, the dogs on the street know why you are point blank refusing to answer the question. You know no matter if you answer yes or no you will look like a complete and utter moron, especially at this stage -digging the hole is only making it even worse. Laughable stuff, what I come to expect in this forum, always good for a giggle.

Sleeper12

I don't get your stance on this at all so I'll leave it there