NASRPC Irish Open and 2017 IGRF World Cup now held at MNSCI

Tackleberry.

Following a meeting of the governing body of the NASRPC the decision was made to change the venue of the 2017 NASRPC Irish Open and 2017 IGRF World Cup to Midlands National Shooting Centre of Ireland (MNSCI).

All other aspects of the event - dates, disciplines, schedule, etc. - all remain the same.

This difficult decision was reached in order to ensure continuity of the event.

We have a large number of people travelling to Ireland to compete in the event, at great cost.
We have large numbers of competitors here in Ireland making plans to compete in July.

Our primary concern is that those competitors have the most enjoyable event possible.

This is simply a short informational notice - We will have more detailed information in the coming days.

If anyone has any questions about this decision or about the new venue - please feel free to contact competitions@nasrpc.ie

Tackleberry.

has to be more to this big news? Anyone know why the move.,

Gleefulprinter

Love to know what they mean by continuity of the event.

Tackleberry.

This is only my opinion but as the GRPAI seem to have HH as there base, it was only going to be time before the NASRPC found somewhere where World and International comps could be held, without all the GRPAI Logos everywhere.. MNSCI is now better than HH for gallery shooting so of course NASRPC considered the move.. guessing there was some talking but now it's happened..

Gleefulprinter

Tackleberry. wrote: »

This is only my opinion but as the GRPAI seem to have HH as there base, it was only going to be time before the NASRPC found somewhere where World and International comps could be held, without all the GRPAI Logos everywhere.. MNSCI is now better than HH for gallery shooting so of course NASRPC considered the move.. guessing there was some talking but now it's happened..

HH is going to be very isolated from the rest of the shooting world.
Be interesting to hear what both sides say about this tomorrow.

Kryten

I know there are differences of opinion, conflict of interest etc between NASRPC and the GRPAI. So be it. But they should have let the International run this year as was planned.in Harbour House. Next year you could plan ahead and be better prepared for a change of venue. By the way I am not on anyone's side here, BUT I believe the NASRPC are making some.rash and unpopular decisons. I.am.not a gallery rifle.shooter, so have no skin in the game, but have good shooting friends on both sides of this mess and it pains me to see all this hostility and adversity in a niche sport.

LIFFY FISHING

Some distance for all the Munster RO 's to be travelling.....shure some "sponsor " will probably pay their expences

Brasros

Tackleberry. wrote:

This is only my opinion but as the GRPAI seem to have HH as there base, it was only going to be time before the NASRPC found somewhere where World and International comps could be held, without all the GRPAI Logos everywhere.. MNSCI is now better than HH for gallery shooting so of course NASRPC considered the move.. guessing there was some talking but now it's happened..

MNSCI is now better than HH :):) since when?! Who shoots gallery? They don't even have a 50 m :) gallery range officer ( I am still laughing)

BattleCorp

Tackleberry. wrote: »

MNSCI is now better than HH for gallery shooting so of course NASRPC considered the move.

I'm curious. Why do you say that MNSCI is better for gallery shooting?

Is it their facilities?

clivej

Well the dictatorship of the NASRPC has finally shown it's ugly head.
I am a true and loyal member with my family, the O'B's and friends at Harbour House Sports Club. This action from the NASRPC is wrong, not only to HH but too the many shooters of Ireland and the IGRF shooters who travel here.

BillBen

The clowns are now running the circus that is the nasrpc. To change the venue from Harbour House who has successfully held every international competition for the last number of years is beyond Stupid. Midlands migh be an good for long range shooting. They only joined the nasrpc recently and to my knowledge I might be wrong they have never held a gallery rifle competition. This was done out of pure badness. What about all of the competitors traveling from abroad that have their accommodation booked and paid for. As I said the clowns are running the circus.

Gleefulprinter

BillBen wrote: »

The clowns are now running the circus that is the nasrpc. To change the venue from Harbour House who has successfully held every international competition for the last number of years is beyond Stupid. Midlands migh be an good for long range shooting. They only joined the nasrpc recently and to my knowledge I might be wrong they have never held a gallery rifle competition. This was done out of pure badness. What about all of the competitors traveling from abroad that have their accommodation booked and paid for. As I said the clowns are running the circus.

Do you know what the reason was for removing the international?

BillBen

Gleefulprinter wrote: »

Do you know what the reason was for removing the international?

Honestly as far as I'm concerned pure badness. I can see no other reason to change. I don't know if you've ever been to HH but if you have, you would know that they can't be beaten for the facility's they offer and the way they run everything. I am so shocked that the nasrpc have done this

Gleefulprinter

BillBen wrote: »

Honestly as far as I'm concerned pure badness. I can see no other reason to change. I don't know if you've ever been to HH but if you have, you would know that they can't be beaten for the facility's they offer and the way they run everything. I am so shocked that the nasrpc have done this

I have been to the club and the facilities are excellent. That's why I would like to know why it was removed. Someone on facebook said the clubs and not the committee voted to remove the competition from HH.

BillBen

Gleefulprinter wrote: »

I have been to the club and the facilities are excellent. That's why I would like to know why it was removed. Someone on facebook said the clubs and not the committee voted to remove the competition from HH.

Why would clubs vote to change venues at this late stage. And further more why would it have been raised to have it moved. This has not been thought out. It's just another engaging the mouth before the brain.

Gleefulprinter

BillBen wrote: »

Why would clubs vote to change venues at this late stage. And further more why would it have been raised to have it moved. This has not been thought out. It's just another engaging the mouth before the brain.

Sure that's my point. Why would the venue be moved at this late stage? Something has happened. I am not coming down on either side until I know what happened at the clubs meeting yesterday.

Brasros

Gleefulprinter wrote:

Do you know what the reason was for removing the international?

Do you?

homerhop

pity, I see some of the international shooters commenting about pulling out and not returning to comps in this country. Dignified response by HH Wishing all the best to Midlands and the nasrpc. Sadly some of the spin doctors from the nasrpc are already doing their utmost to discredit HH on Facebook

BillBen

homerhop wrote: »

pity, I see some of the international shooters commenting about pulling out and not returning to comps in this country. Dignified response by HH Wishing all the best to Midlands and the nasrpc. Sadly some of the spin doctors from the nasrpc are already doing their utmost to discredit HH on Facebook

Don't worry. Anybody with one ounce of sense will see that it was done deliberately.

Gleefulprinter

Brasros wrote: »

Do you?

No I don't. Saw on facebook that of the 10 clubs one voted to remain in HH, 2 abstained and 7 wanted the venue switched.
HH probably voted to keep it. Why did 7 clubs want the competition changed after they made the announcement?

BattleCorp

Gleefulprinter wrote: »

No I don't. Saw on facebook that of the 10 clubs one voted to remain in HH, 2 abstained and 7 wanted the venue switched.
HH probably voted to keep it. Why did 7 clubs want the competition changed after they made the announcement?

I saw that post on Facebook. It actually raises loads of questions.

Why did the NASRPC ask clubs to vote on moving the International?

Why did the NASRPC want to move the International? What reasons did they give for wanting to move it?

At the time of the EGM, and I'm open to correction on this, there were 18 clubs in the NASRPC, and now 19 because MNSCI are involved. Barely more than half the clubs in the NASRPC were involved in this decision as apparently only 10 clubs were at the meeting.

Were club reps properly informed of the topic? Did they know in advance so that they could consult with their club members? I doubt it.

Did MNSCI vote at this meeting?

Below are a couple of extracts from our beloved constitution.

Voting Procedures at any Association Meetings

Only matters on the meeting agenda may be voted upon.

Members of the Association must be a member of the Association for no less than 6 months + 1 day, in order to enjoy voting privileges at meetings.

Were these rules adhered to?

That's just a few questions off the top of my head.

clivej

Harbour House spent €10,000 on installing turning targets on the 24 bay range 1. The only range with this many turning targets in the country.
They have been training new RO's and up-skilling existing RO's to meet the required number of over 100 for this years International competition.
Organised many open training days to get more shooters to participate in the NASRPC national competitions.
And much more.

All this to be told 'Harbour house' your not good enough to hold the Irish International this year. It beggars believe the NASRPC would do this.

Gleefulprinter

clivej wrote: »

Harbour House spent €10,000 on installing turning targets on the 24 bay range 1. The only range with this many turning targets in the country.
They have been training new RO's and up-skilling existing RO's to meet the required number of over 100 for this years International competition.
Organised many open training days to get more shooters to participate in the NASRPC national competitions.
And much more.

All this to be told 'Harbour house' your not good enough to hold the Irish International this year. It beggars believe the NASRPC would do this.

you seem to be a man in the know. what happened at the meeting?

clivej

Gleefulprinter wrote: »

you seem to be a man in the know. what happened at the meeting?

Sure you already know, weren't you there

Gleefulprinter

clivej wrote: »

Sure you already know, weren't you there

I wasn't. Not on any committee. I was as shocked as everyone else.

BattleCorp

Gleefulprinter wrote: »

I wasn't. Not on any committee. I was as shocked as everyone else.

Clearly not everyone else was shocked.

Not if the NASRPC followed their own rules laid down in their constitution and clubs were made aware of the agenda of the meeting. Then they wouldn't have been surprised.

If this vote was proposed without being on the agenda, as in if the Committee or someone from the floor proposed the vote during the meeting, then it shouldn't have taken place as that's against the rules laid down in the Constitution.

I'd also like to know which clubs voted at the meeting, as in were they entitled to vote at the meeting. Because if they hadn't their membership paid, then they wouldn't be entitled to vote at the meeting as they wouldn't be considered to be 'in good standing'.

I've nothing against MNSCI so this isn't a dig at them but did they have a vote at the meeting? Because if they did, then this is against the rules too.

Tackleberry.

It would seem that we all need to go back to our own Club Sec to understand why this change has been made, either that or email the NASRPC.
I did not know there was a chance of what just happened happening this year.. with the Midlands joining I taught there was a chance of it down the road alright ..

BattleCorp

Going on FB posts, at least one international team has pulled out of coming to the event this year.

This is very damaging.

To quote Clint Eastwood in Heartbreak Ridge, "This is a clusterfcuk".

jb88

Many more national and International competitors to follow no doubt.
Goes to prove that really the NASRPC cant organize a drinking session in a brewery

Gleefulprinter

Has anyone questioned Harbour House about this?

Gleefulprinter

NASRPC have a statement up. According to them HH said the event could not go ahead unless there demands were met.

jb88

Look the NASRPC are in charge of nothing,

Its shooters who decide their own fate and the sooner people wake up and realize that the better.

The IGRF is defunct, hasn't met in almost a year,

So why is this organization which doesn't exist any more in charge of something happening in Ireland.
Well its being run by committee members of the NASRPC as a fa?ade, on the premise that they have something to control. (They don't)

its a complete white wash by the NASRPC.

The NASRPC told Harbour House that certain club members would be excluded from entering their own club house or to take part in the competition. (This is a 3 day event)

Tell me any club that would agree to that?

The NASRPC have run their course, they have annoyed a lot of international shooters by switching venues.
Not to mention the 400 members from Harbour House and other clubs.

Ive been predicting their demise for some time now. This is just the icing on the cake.

Shooters will decide and come to events because they enjoy themselves. Harbour House have a long history of running extremely successful shooting events and will continue to host Gallery events for many years in the future.

Its just bad organization and having witnessed enough events like this, it goes to prove that the committee of the NASRPC are not capable of running anything.

Gleefulprinter

Has everyone calmed down about this? Haven't heard of anyone saying they are not going to midlands now.

Gleefulprinter

BillBen wrote: »

Trolling again?

That your answer to everything? Don't hear something that suits you so must be a troll.

Gleefulprinter

BillBen wrote: »

No I use that term when someone is looking to get a reaction from people so they can continue to troll.And you are looking to do just that.

I don't think anyone could have topped you for an over reaction. Conspiracies all over the shop. You're always complaining about the nasrpc but you still shoot in the competitions.

The complete story isn't out there but two sides have emerged. People were angry the other day and writing furious things. I stepped away from it so it could calm down. It's a reasonable question. People said they wouldn't shoot for this lot or that lot or this competition or go to this one. Some were talking about another competition being held.

clivej

Gleefulprinter wrote: »

I don't think anyone could have topped you for an over reaction. Conspiracies all over the shop. You're always complaining about the nasrpc but you still shoot in the competitions.

The complete story isn't out there but two sides have emerged. People were angry the other day and writing furious things. I stepped away from it so it could calm down. It's a reasonable question. People said they wouldn't shoot for this lot or that lot or this competition or go to this one. Some were talking about another competition being held.

goodbye

jb88

Well Done the NASRPC

So as a result of your failure to listen, the Scottish team have withdrawn along with the GB Team now.

The South African team have also been made aware of whats happening and have been urged to contact the NASRPC.

Doubt very much the German team will now travel.

You heard it here first. Sorry to say we told you so but the NASRPC has ruined Gallery shooting in Ireland internationally for a generation.

Only took 15 months well done.

If the whole committee of the NASRPC should resign asap to save some face in this whole fiasco it may be their only saving grace.

Sad day indeed for Gallery shooting in Ireland

BattleCorp

It'll take a long time for Ireland's reputation to recover, if ever. This has done untold damage.

clivej

It's looking more & more like Ireland will be the only country at the world championships.
And also the very best GR shooters won't be there because they have already been told they are not welcome & to stay away. As they were told not to attend these championships at their own sports club.
Wake up nasrpc and smell the sh!t storm you are creating

Brasros

Thank you NASRPC. Paddy can have it all to himself.

In the land of the blind a one eyed man is King.

clivej

Some real truth on all this.
When you only read/hear one side of a story, of half truths & outright lies then you only know what a dictatorship wants you to know.


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1327951070583802&id=100001067657768

BattleCorp

The NASRPC have pulled their May competition from Harbour House too.

I wonder what excuses they'll have for doing that?

clivej

BattleCorp wrote: »

The NASRPC have pulled their May competition from Harbour House too.

I wonder what excuses they'll have for doing that?

Read the reply on FB from the range operator

BattleCorp

clivej wrote: »

Read the reply on FB from the range operator

Yep, I just read it. It doesn't say why the NASRPC moved the May competition. It just says that they moved it and gave no reasons to HH. They just did it without consultation.

Brasros

BattleCorp wrote:

The NASRPC have pulled their May competition from Harbour House too.

Back room politics, MNSCI posted on their Facebook page on 20th April at 17.40 that the nasrpc are holding a training day on the 7th May and a national competition day on the 14th May, the day directly after the supposed HH national competition (13th May). This is before the meeting of nasrpc where 7 clubs voted to move the venue from HH.
The reason total dislike for HH and it's members or envy unsure and don't care anymore​.
The nasrpc and the clubs who voted to move the venue are guilt in shaming and embarssing all Irish gallery rifle shooters.
This will set like Catholic guilt for years to come and that if gallery shooting isn't destroyed to a piont of no return.

jb88

Brasros wrote: »

Back room politics, MNSCI posted on their Facebook page on 20th April at 17.40 that the nasrpc are holding a training day on the 7th May and a national competition day on the 14th May, the day directly after the supposed HH national competition (13th May). This is before the meeting of nasrpc where 7 clubs voted to move the venue from HH.
The reason total dislike for HH and it's members or envy unsure and don't care anymore​.
The nasrpc and the clubs who voted to move the venue are guilt in shaming and embarssing all Irish gallery rifle shooters.
This will set like Catholic guilt for years to come and that if gallery shooting isn't destroyed to a piont of no return.

How true, and the reasons given is that there will be another competition in Harbour House later in the year. From the resident spin doctor. Somehow I doubt that now. Its goodbye NASRPC, farewell we thank you for your time

Gleefulprinter

Dead right, "THEY" are the embarrassment.

clivej

A one horse race now. NASRPC hang your heads in shame

LB6

Need to change the location too Clive!

clivej

LB6 wrote: »

Need to change the location too Clive!

That's the original poster from the NASRPC with my extra's added.
Sure they won't need new posters now, 'cos anyone who's anyone won't be going

Gleefulprinter

clivej wrote: »

A one horse race now. NASRPC hang your heads in shame

So....Ireland won? Congratulations to all involved. It was an unexpected match but the result was predictable. Some quality shooting from all involved. This years match proved to be exceptionally difficult as so many people had to attend the chiropractors because their heads were hanging in shame. Shame neck is serious people- get tested.

But really tell us more Clivej. You know for a fact all these teams are not going? Because I spoke to competitors who say otherwise.