Can we stop warning people about checkpoints?

DangerMouse27

Ok, I think I am on to a loser already. It's been decreed in every parish that flashing the headlights for an oncoming speeder that he is approaching a speed van or a checkpoint is what's called, doing a solid. It's not though. It is keeping the local driving lunatics on the road and I for one, am sick of it.

I meet them everywhere, and they are getting worse. People are forgetting how to drive and have zero manners when behind the wheel. Come right up behind me again, try to intimidate me to endanger myself to get out of your way. It happens every five minutes on the m50. These people cannot drive. I cannot wait for a future RSA campaign alerting people to the dangers of flashing the high beams. And by cannot, I mean that I can not stand idly by until such a campaign brings about a change in mindset.

I have been doing quite a few shifts in the EDs of Dublin and with every bump and bang that arrives in the door via the latest RTA, I wonder, could the person who caused it have been stopped before they wreaked havoc upon someone else's life. Every accident has its own story, yes that's true, but I would like if the ones caused by irresponsible drivers could at least be quelled for a bit.

Maybe your Tax was out and someone flashed you before and now you think that you have some debt of gratitude to repay. You are not helping anybody by flashing an oncoming driver of any sort of Garda or whatever type of speed van. In fact, your hurting people.

Here, I don't expect people to row in and agree, and if you don't, fine, but think about it and pass it on and let someone else save a life.

The_Valeyard

Flashing lights, lights
Flashing lights, lights
Flashing lights, lights

She don't believe in shootin' stars
But she believe in shoes and cars
Wood floors in the new apartment
Couture from the store's department
You more like L'eau de Stardee ****
I'm more of the, trips to Florida
Order the h'orderves, views of the Water
Straight from the page of your favorite author
And the weather so breezy
Man why can't life always be this easy
She in the mirror dancing so sleazy
I get a call like where are you Yeezy
Try to hit you with a 'Oeur de Whopee'
Till I get flashed by the paparazzi


To answer your Q. Nothing wrong with warning someone when a money grab van is located right between a road switch from 80 to 60

The Oort Cloud

DangerMouse27... People are forgetting how to drive and have zero manners when behind the wheel

People as in everyone ?, well

I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place
Even your emotions have an echo in so much space...

Well I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
Just like them
ooh ooh ooh ooh oohwoo.

Your Face

Sure its great craic letting the lads know you're pure sound.

Neighsayer

I hardly ever let a journey pass without flashing a couple of oncoming cars in the hope it might encourage them to slow down.

hytrogen

DangerMouse27 wrote:

I wonder, could the person who caused it have been stopped before they wreaked havoc upon someone else's life..

I'm driving around in my car
I'm driving too fast
I'm driving too far
I'd like to change my point of view
I feel so lonely
I'm waiting for you
But nothing ever happens and I wonder

I wonder how
I wonder why
Yesterday you told me 'bout the blue blue sky
And all that I can see is just a yellow lemon-tree
I'm turning my head up and down
I'm turning turning turning turning turning around
And all that I can see is just another lemon-tree

DangerMouse27

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

People as in everyone ?, well

I remember when, I remember, I remember when I lost my mind
There was something so pleasant about that place
Even your emotions have an echo in so much space...

Well I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
I think you're crazy
Just like them
ooh ooh ooh ooh oohwoo.

I never said everyone.

I can't think of a musical reference to highlight my point.

The Oort Cloud

DangerMouse27 wrote: »

I never said everyone.

I can't think of a musical reference to highlight my point.

Please try, as I am getting the musical feeling for this thread immensely.

hytrogen

The Oort Cloud wrote:

Please try, as I am getting the musical feeling for this thread immensely.

Hey hey my my
Rock and roll can never die
There's more to the picture
Than meets the eye
Hey hey my my

hairyslug

You got a fast car
I want a ticket to anywhere
Maybe we make a deal
Maybe together we can get somewhere
Anyplace is better
Starting from zero got nothing to lose
Maybe we'll make something
Me, myself I got nothing to prove

DangerMouse27

Neighsayer wrote: »

I hardly ever let a journey pass without flashing a couple of oncoming cars in the hope it might encourage them to slow down.

Well that's a bit different.
I am on about flashing a car to warn them of a speed trap or Garda checkpoint.

The Oort Cloud

who's gonna flash you when
it's too late
who's gonna tell you things
aren't so great
you can't go on
thinking flashing's wrong
who's gonna drive you home tonight

hytrogen

The_Valeyard wrote:

To answer your Q. Nothing wrong with warning someone when a money grab van is located right between a road switch from 80 to 60

Money, get back
I'm all right Jack keep your hands off of my stack
Money, it's a hit
Don't give me that do goody good bullsh1t

hairyslug

DangerMouse27 wrote: »

Well that's a bit different.
I am on about flashing a car to warn them of a speed trap or Garda checkpoint.

Can you please accompany your post with a relevant song lyric, it just makes the rest of us look weird if you don't.

DangerMouse27

hytrogen wrote: »

I'm driving around in my car
I'm driving too fast
I'm driving too far
I'd like to change my point of view
I feel so lonely
I'm waiting for you
But nothing ever happens and I wonder

I wonder how
I wonder why
Yesterday you told me 'bout the blue blue sky
And all that I can see is just a yellow lemon-tree
I'm turning my head up and down
I'm turning turning turning turning turning around
And all that I can see is just another lemon-tree

Well now I can't get that out of my head. I will say thank you but I wasn't being in any way musical.

hytrogen

Neighsayer wrote:

I hardly ever let a journey pass without flashing a couple of oncoming cars in the hope it might encourage them to slow down.

Slow down, lie down
Remember it's just you and me
Don't sell out, bow out
Remember how this used to be

I just want you closer
Is that alright?
Baby let's get closer tonight

Guy Sajer

If you think about it OP, the Gardai presence is slowing cars down and that's the aim is it not? As well as revenue of course.
But Gardai can be seen in only one stretch of road that they park. by flashing ahead your are extending the distance that cars will stop speeding. Every little helps.

The Oort Cloud

DangerMouse27 wrote: »

Well now I can't get that out of my head. I will say thank you but I wasn't being in any way musical.

But even the planets are musical, everything is musical throughout the universe... but you aren't ?. Why is this ?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhonQGHFG44

AndyBoBandy

You're dangerous 'cause you're honest
You're dangerous, you don't know what you want
Well you left my heart empty as a vacant lot
For any spirit to haunt

Hey hey sha la la
Hey hey

You're an accident waiting to happen
You're a piece of glass left in a beach
Well, you tell me things I know you're not supposed to
Then you leave me just out of reach

Hey hey sha la la
Hey hey sha la la

Who's gonna ride your wild horses?
Who's gonna drown in your blue sea?
Who's gonna ride your wild horses?
Who's gonna fall at the foot of thee?

Well you stole it 'cause I needed the cash
And you killed it 'cause I wanted revenge
Well you lied to me 'cause I asked you to
Baby, can we still be friends?

Hey hey sha la la
Hey hey sha la la

Who's gonna ride your wild horses?
Who's gonna drown in your blue sea?
Who's gonna ride your wild horses?
Who's gonna fall at the foot of thee?

Oh, the deeper I spin
Oh, the hunter will sin for your ivory skin
Took a drive in the dirty rain
To a place where the wind calls your name
Under the trees the river laughing at you and me
Hallelujah, heavens white rose
The doors you open
I just can't close

Don't turn around, don't turn around again
Don't turn around, your gypsy heart
Don't turn around, don't turn around again
Don't turn around, and don't look back
Come on now love, don't you look back!

Who's gonna ride your wild horses?
Who's gonna drown in your blue sea?
Who's gonna taste your salt water kisses?
Who's gonna take the place of me?

Who's gonna ride your wild horses?
Who's gonna tame the heart of thee?

DangerMouse27

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

But even the planets are musical, everything is musical throughout the universe... but you aren't ?. Why is this ?.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhonQGHFG44

I don't think what I said or was referencing had in any way, shape or form anything to do with music.

I could be Mr. Music the music teacher but I was talking about road safety.

hairyslug

DangerMouse27 wrote: »

I don't think what I said or was referencing had in any way, shape or form anything to do with music.

I could be Mr. Music the music teacher but I was talking about road safety.

'Cuz teacher there are things that I don't want to learn
And the last one I had made me cry
So I don't wanna learn to hold you, touch you
I think that you are mine
Because there ain't no joy for an uptown boy
Whose teacher has told him goodbye, goodbye, goodbye

The Oort Cloud

Sorry, but the way the world is at the moment, I thought I was in an alternate reality.

I'm still waiting on a road traffic song in lyrics though, no getting out of it that easy.

But I do agree with flashing oncoming vehicles, and I don't even drive.

Erik Shin

Neighsayer wrote: »

I hardly ever let a journey pass without flashing a couple of oncoming cars in the hope it might encourage them to slow down.

It would help if you had nicer tits

hytrogen

DangerMouse27 wrote:

I don't think what I said or was referencing had in any way, shape or form anything to do with music.

I don't know what you're looking for
You haven't found it baby, that's for sure
You rip me up, you spread me all around
In the dust of the deed of time

DangerMouse27 wrote:

I could be Mr. Music the music teacher but I was talking about road safety.

We don't need no education 
We don't need no thought control
No dark sarcasm in the classroom
Teachers leave them kids alone
Hey! Teachers! Leave them kids alone
All in all it's just another brick in the wall
All in all you're just another brick in the wall

The Oort Cloud

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

I'm still waiting on a road traffic song in lyrics though, no getting out of it that easy.

Crosstown Traffic?

The Oort Cloud

Deleted User wrote: »

Crosstown Traffic?

Living Colour - Crosstown Traffic (1993) Jimi Hendrix

DangerMouse27

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

I'm still waiting on a road traffic song in lyrics though, no getting out of it that easy.

I go driving in my car,
Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep


Look at what I've become.
I hope posters are taking something from the original post and not just adding lyrics.

andekwarhola

Drive the M50 every day and it always had a lot of cnuts but the increased volumes make it worse.

Actually find myself often sticking in the inside lane just because there's more muppetry going on in the middle and overtaking lanes.

Not so much speeding as terrible lane discipline, cutting in, veering suddenly across lanes for exits, tailgating etc.

No way would I flash anybody to warn them of a speed trap either. Up to them to accept the consequences of their driving.

mfceiling

andekwarhola wrote: »

Drive the M50 every day and it always had a lot of cnuts but the increased volumes make it worse.

Actually find myself often sticking in the inside lane

That's where you should be driving unless you are overtaking.

dbagman

Can we start warning people about tv licence inspectors......

Murrisk

andekwarhola wrote: »

No way would I flash anybody to warn them of a speed trap either. Up to them to accept the consequences of their driving.

Expect tedious responses about it not being your place to police the roads. Boards.ie was the first place I ever saw people utter such absolute ****.

dbagman

dbagman wrote: »

Can we start warning people about tv licence inspectors......

You can ring my bell ell ell, ring my bell, my bell,

Ding a ling a ling

Neighsayer

Erik Shin wrote: »

Neighsayer wrote: »

I hardly ever let a journey pass without flashing a couple of oncoming cars in the hope it might encourage them to slow down.

It would help if you had nicer tits

That's so funny.  Love it.

andekwarhola

mfceiling wrote: »

That's where you should be driving unless you are overtaking.

If you bothered to read what I actually wrote, I meant I don't bother overtaking most of the time and stick with the traffic speed in that lane for the (relatively short) time I'm on the motorway because most of the cnuts immediately camp in the overtaking lane and to a lesser extent the middle.

The Oort Cloud

DangerMouse27 wrote: »

I go driving in my car,
Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep


Look at what I've become.
I hope posters are taking something from the original post and not just adding lyrics.

Fair play Dangermouse.

Well, I suppose if a vehicle is oncoming especially on a back-road and you flash them as to a checkpoint ahead then they will obviously slow down immediately which is good, and I'm sure most folk that were actually speeding would continue to keep to the speed limit after that as of the acknowledgement of the flash. The odd stupid person would probably continue to speed thereafter, but I would say the majority would just take it handy after the warning imo.

andekwarhola

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Fair play Dangermouse.

Well, I suppose if a vehicle is oncoming especially on a back-road and you flash them as to a checkpoint ahead then they will obviously slow down immediately which is good, and I'm sure most folk that were actually speeding would continue to keep to the speed limit after that as of the acknowledgement of the flash. The odd stupid person would probably continue to speed thereafter, but I would say the majority would just take it handy after the warning imo.

Most would slow down until they passed the checkpoint and then floor it

While putting up the location of the checkpoint on Facebook in between checking water charges protest pages.

D0NNELLY

DangerMouse27 wrote: »

Well that's a bit different.
I am on about flashing a car to warn them of a speed trap or Garda checkpoint.

The point of the vans are to slow people down, not to make money, so flashing does the same job.

mfceiling

andekwarhola wrote: »

If you bothered to read what I actually wrote, I meant I don't bother overtaking most of the time and stick with the traffic speed in that lane for the (relatively short) time I'm on the motorway because most of the cnuts immediately camp in the overtaking lane and to a lesser extent the middle.

I did bother to read it and you never mentioned that you don't bother overtaking most of the time or that you are only on it for a relatively short period of time.

D0NNELLY

D0NNELLY wrote: »

The point of the vans are to slow people down, not to make money, so flashing does the same job.

I agree. Speeding van makes people slow down, flashing slows them down too.

I wouldn't mind a campaign explaining to drivers that they don't need to slam on the brakes when they see a van. Just maintain your legal speed people.

The Oort Cloud

andekwarhola wrote: »

Most would slow down until they passed the checkpoint and then floor it

While putting up the location of the checkpoint on Facebook in between checking water charges protest pages.

Well I would like to think that most would slow it down a bit from the warning flash, even if one person slowed down permanently from the flash and said 'right' I'll keep to the limit till I get home, then that's good enough to me.

andekwarhola

mfceiling wrote: »

I did bother to read it and you never mentioned that you don't bother overtaking most of the time or that you are only on it for a relatively short period of time.

If I was an overtaking lane camper, I'd have called it The Fast Lane.

I had to escape
The city was sticky and cruel
Maybe I should have called you first
But I was dying to get to you

I was dreaming while I drove the long straight road ahead, uh-huh, yeah
Could taste your sweet kisses, your arms open wide
This fever for you was just burning me up inside

I drove all night to get to you
Is that all right?
I drove all night, crept in your room
Woke you from your sleep to make love to you
Is that all right?
I drove all night

What in this world
Keeps us from falling apart?
No matter where I go I hear
The beating of our one heart

I think about you when the night is cold and dark, uh-huh, yeah
No one can move me the way that you do
Nothing erases this feeling between me and you, oh

I drove all night to get to you
Is that all right?
I drove all night, crept in your room
Woke you from your sleep to make love to you
Is that all right?
I drove all night

Could taste your sweet kisses, your arms open wide
This fever for you was just burning me up inside

I drove all night to get to you
Is that all right?
I drove all night, crept in your room
Is that all right?
I drove all night


I'm willing to bet my car that the OP is hogging the overtaking lanes on the M50 instead of being on the inner lane, and that is why drivers are right up behind them.
The cluelessness of some people on that road is unreal.


Edit: Forgot to say that I do flash warnings to others when they are approaching those nasty speed vans, who's sole purpose is sneakily taking fines.
I would NEVER oncoming traffic for a Garda Checkpoint though. You don't know that you could be warning a drunk/drugged driver, an uninsured driver/ unlicensed driver or a criminal. Thus allowing them a chance to escape.

Badly Drunk Boy

Yeah, car crashes aren't nice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5QErPDNcj4

AudreyHepburn

The_Valeyard wrote: »

To answer your Q. Nothing wrong with warning someone when a money grab van is located right between a road switch from 80 to 60

Ah this old chestnut.....that's not what the Vans are for and I think most people, yourself included, know that really.

It's about making the roads safe and keeping lunatic drivers who can't or more likely simply won't abide by speed limits off the roads.

No way would I warn anyone about speed cameras....why would I want to aid and abet dangerous drivers who refuse to obey the rules of the road.

jcd5971

Let's face it most of the time the traffic core aren't even in dangerous roads, they are in places where the road condition is good for example a long straight stretch of road that happens to be 80kph limit when it could and arguably should be 100kph.

It's a money grab pain and simple and has nothing to do with road safety. Feel free to disagree if you want it's my opinion and yours may be different.

Barry Badrinath

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Ah this old chestnut.....that's not what the Vans are for and I think most people, yourself included, know that really.

It's about making the roads safe and keeping lunatic drivers who can't or more likely simply won't abide by speed limits off the roads.

No way would I warn anyone about speed cameras....why would I want to aid and abet dangerous drivers who refuse to obey the rules of the road.

But, slowing people down would be a product of you flashing them...hence making the road safer.

Why wait until they get a letter in the post 2 months later? Schure they could kill someone in the mean time.

Your logic is flawed

Beyondgone

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Ah this old chestnut.....that's not what the Vans are for and I think most people, yourself included, know that really.

It's about making the roads safe and keeping lunatic drivers who can't or more likely simply won't abide by speed limits off the roads.

No way would I warn anyone about speed cameras....why would I want to aid and abet dangerous drivers who refuse to obey the rules of the road.

Oh! Oh! Teacher! Teacher! I know the answer to this one! Me! Me!

They're a money racket Miss. They only put them where the limit is silly and hope to catch as many people doing 20kph over the silly limit as possible.

Balmed Out

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Ah this old chestnut.....that's not what the Vans are for and I think most people, yourself included, know that really.

It's about making the roads safe and keeping lunatic drivers who can't or more likely simply won't abide by speed limits off the roads.

No way would I warn anyone about speed cameras....why would I want to aid and abet dangerous drivers who refuse to obey the rules of the road.

I disagree with your opening line. If so most would be located near the bends and corners of accident blackspots where speeding does most damage. They never ever are though because the vast majority slow down and don't speed in these areas.
Where are they most often located? The one point over in a 20 km stretch where its possible to overtake that tractor or else at points where the speed limit changes. That's my own experience anyhow and strikes me as very much trying to make money.
I flash people I see driving way too fast and when it comes to speed traps only if they look like they may be going slightly over.
Never flash for checkpoints, that I cant understand.

andekwarhola

jcd5971 wrote: »

Let's a money grab pain and simple and has nothing to do with road safety. Feel free to disagree if you want it's my opinion and yours may be different.

As vast money making rackets go, I'd could probably think of better ones that people can't completely avoid simply by driving at the legal speed limit.

It's hardly tycoon 101 is it?

Notoldorwise

hairyslug wrote:

Can you please accompany your post with a relevant song lyric, it just makes the rest of us look weird if you don't.

What a beautiful noise...

Wanderer78

AudreyHepburn wrote:

It's about making the roads safe and keeping lunatic drivers who can't or more likely simply won't abide by speed limits off the roads.

Of course it's about road safety but unfortunately when you create an incentive such as financial gain, human behaviour takes over, and it becomes easier to try maximise those gains by whatever means even by unethical means. I'm not convinced speed traps work