New Civil Service Mileage Rates (Rant ahead!)

exaisle

New Civil Service mileage and subsistence rates have been announced which are effective from 1 April 2017.

Link here:http://circulars.gov.ie/pdf/circular/per/2017/05.pdf

Has anybody read this sh1te?

I quote...."5. All mileage claims in respect of the period 1st January 2017 to 31st March 2017 should be made before 31st March 2017."

Well, forgive my french, but how the f@ck are you supposed to do that?
I presume you can only reasonably calculate one's mileage after you've done it, or are you supposed to estimate (God forbid).....

I can just imagine all those civil servants downing tools at 4.55pm on FRIDAY 31st March to work out and submit their mileage claims in time. I wonder how many, who were on the road on 31st March did so?

OK...rant over.

johntune

What's the problem?

Most civil servants have to submit their expenses on a monthly basis if not more often.

gordongekko

The word is should not must

T-Maxx

Pfftt....

Epic thread fail.

exaisle

T-Maxx wrote: »

Pfftt....

Epic thread fail.

How do you submit your mileage for a period ending 31st March BEFORE 31st March? Are you psychic or do you just take a stab at it? Sure if you're nearly right, that'll do just fine.

RUDOLF289

exaisle wrote: »

New Civil Service mileage and subsistence rates have been announced which are effective from 1 April 2017.

Link here:http://circulars.gov.ie/pdf/circular/per/2017/05.pdf

Has anybody read this sh1te?

I quote...."5. All mileage claims in respect of the period 1st January 2017 to 31st March 2017 should be made before 31st March 2017."

Well, forgive my french, but how the f@ck are you supposed to do that?
I presume you can only reasonably calculate one's mileage after you've done it, or are you supposed to estimate (God forbid).....

I can just imagine all those civil servants downing tools at 4.55pm on FRIDAY 31st March to work out and submit their mileage claims in time. I wonder how many, who were on the road on 31st March did so?

OK...rant over.

You realise ofcourse that the letter is addressed to Civil Servants and Civil Servants only ......? So unless you are a Civil Servant I am wondering why you are getting so exercised ? Or are you upset about how the Civil Servants are being treated?

Lockedout2

RUDOLF289 wrote: »

You realise ofcourse that the letter is addressed to Civil Servants and Civil Servants only ......? So unless you are a Civil Servant I am wondering why you are getting so exercised ? Or are you upset about how the Civil Servants are being treated?

I'd be interested as the Revenue rules for mileage for employees follow the rules for civil servants so it may have an impact on everyone who is paid mileage.

Pkiernan

exaisle wrote: »

New Civil Service mileage and subsistence rates have been announced which are effective from 1 April 2017.

Link here:http://circulars.gov.ie/pdf/circular/per/2017/05.pdf

Has anybody read this sh1te?

I quote...."5. All mileage claims in respect of the period 1st January 2017 to 31st March 2017 should be made before 31st March 2017."

Well, forgive my french, but how the f@ck are you supposed to do that?
I presume you can only reasonably calculate one's mileage after you've done it, or are you supposed to estimate (God forbid).....

I can just imagine all those civil servants downing tools at 4.55pm on FRIDAY 31st March to work out and submit their mileage claims in time. I wonder how many, who were on the road on 31st March did so?

OK...rant over.

Don't make me laugh. Show me 1 civil servant still at their desk at 4.55 on a Friday.
Lucky if they're still there at 3pm

wally1990

Lockedout2 wrote: »

I'd be interested as the Revenue rules for mileage for employees follow the rules for civil servants so it may have an impact on everyone who is paid mileage.

Hi I work in an accountants
The revenue follow the civil services rules for the private sector also
We are following the new rules for all claims made on or after 1/4/2017
In our operation we payroll on a weekly forthnighty and monthly basis so those who wish to back date we are following old thresholds to ensure financially the claims are correct
We cannot expect all our contractors to realistically to have all claims in before the 31/3/ so we are accommodating them based on previous rules
Please note there also new international subsistence and domestic rates for Dublin and a new overnight rate
The revenue still Haven't ! Updated their corresponding statement of practice which is very annoying reflecting new rates and their rules

Calahonda52

wally1990 wrote: »

Hi I work in an accountants
The revenue follow the civil services rules for the private sector also
We are following the new rules for all claims made on or after 1/4/2017
In our operation we payroll on a weekly forthnighty and monthly basis so those who wish to back date we are following old thresholds to ensure financially the claims are correct
We cannot expect all our contractors to realistically to have all claims in before the 31/3/ so we are accommodating them based on previous rules
Please note there also new international subsistence and domestic rates for Dublin and a new overnight rate
The revenue still Haven't ! Updated their corresponding statement of practice which is very annoying reflecting new rates and their rules

What do you make of the second set of numbers
Reduced Motor Travel Rates per kilometre
16.59 cent
17.63 cent
18.97 cent

SOPHIE THE DOG

Calahonda52 wrote: »

What do you make of the second set of numbers
Reduced Motor Travel Rates per kilometre
16.59 cent
17.63 cent
18.97 cent

From what I can gather these apply to National Programme professional personnel or Education Centre Directors who are attending training (taken from http://www.sarg.ie/forms/2015-2016/TS-Revised-Rates-July-2015.pdf, bottom of fourth page)

wally1990

SOPHIE THE DOG wrote: »

From what I can gather these apply to National Programme professional personnel or Education Centre Directors who are attending training (taken from http://www.sarg.ie/forms/2015-2016/TS-Revised-Rates-July-2015.pdf, bottom of fourth page)

If your asking my opinion I agree with them however they cannot be used by employees or company directors as the revenue statement of practice does not refer to them directly in their statement of practice so therefore I would take the prudent approach and not apply such rates without their direct approval. The standard rates are for those doing business journeys in the performance of their duties

Regards the reduced rates for civil services The reduced rates are payable to Civil Service employees who undertake a journey associated with their job but not solely related to the performance of their duties, such as:


Attendance at confined promotion competitions
Attendance at approved courses of education
Attendance at courses or conferences
Return visits home at weekends during a period of temporary transfer

Again I would not allow a fate rate deduction by using these rates for employees or company directors as again the revenue haven't given approval

Maybe when they update their statement of practice they might reference such (hopefully) and allow the private sector to allow a claim for such rates whilst in the above situations

Calahonda52

Thanks W 1990

As someone who works in the private sector and hence funds all of the above, the links are very revealing of a particular mind set which in the private sector in our very open economy would get very short shrift indeed.

relax carry on

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Thanks W 1990

As someone who works in the private sector and hence funds all of the above, the links are very revealing of a particular mind set which in the private sector in our very open economy would get very short shrift indeed.

Private sector companies can and do pay up to the maximum civil service rates where their employees are entitled to expenses in the course of their work.

Calahonda52

relax carry on wrote: »

Private sector companies can and do pay up to the maximum civil service rates where their employees are entitled to expenses in the course of their work.

That was not the point of my comment, I am more than well aware of what is allowed/not allowed in the private sector.

wally1990

Calahonda52 wrote: »

Thanks W 1990

As someone who works in the private sector and hence funds all of the above, the links are very revealing of a particular mind set which in the private sector in our very open economy would get very short shrift indeed.

Cheers

barneystinson

Calahonda52 wrote: »

That was not the point of my comment, I am more than well aware of what is allowed/not allowed in the private sector.

What was the point of your comment?

You appear to be suggesting there is an attitude that is entirely unique to the public sector implied by the circular... if, as you say, you're well aware of what's allowed in the private sector you'll be aware that plenty of large private sector employers operate very similar expense rules as apply to civil servants...

_Brian

Lockedout2 wrote: »

I'd be interested as the Revenue rules for mileage for employees follow the rules for civil servants so it may have an impact on everyone who is paid mileage.

Yea I'm neither of the above and our rates changed with this.

wally1990

_Brian wrote: »

Yea I'm neither of the above and our rates changed with this.

The departure of public expenditure set the motor travel rates (mileage) for civil services

The revenue also follow these rates for those in the private sector such as employees and company directors