Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid

woodpecker92

Looking to change to hybrid and am interested in the Hyundai Ioniq Hybrid.
Currently driving a diesel I40 mostly in city.Looking for any feedback on the
Ioniq performance.

Mope

Why Hybrid? Just out of curiosity? Because of range?

woodpecker92

Mainly cost of running and environment. Tax on current car is 570euro plus running cost.
Tax on Ioniq is 180Euro.To me hybrid or electric is the way to go.

Mope

Why not Fully Electric then? Any particular reason? What is your daily commute like?

woodpecker92

Well worth considering but would be nervous about lack
of charging points around city/country. Would average
about 150km per week locally with an occasional country
run.

goz83

woodpecker92 wrote: »

Well worth considering but would be nervous about lack
of charging points around city/country. Would average
about 150km per week locally with an occasional country
run.

Ok, there are a few questions to be asked, but if electric suits you, then that's the better route imo.

You do similar miles to me. What is your daily commute each way?

Do you have a drive way and if so, do you own or rent?

Where are you based, and what country run would you be talking?

ELM327

I think that buying an Ioniq and not buying the EV version is madness.
If you're doing enough KM to be outside the EV range daily, then you will pay more for fuel in the Ioniq hybrid than you would an i30 diesel

woodpecker92

Thanks for your replies,

goz83 I am retired and don't have a daily route as such .I live in Dublin 9 and most of my
driving would be in the city area. I have a driveway and country runs are dependent on
deals available in hotels around the country!!

ELM327 As you might have guessed this EV/Hybrid route is new to me.Your point about cost of hybrid against
the I30 is fuel for thought (pardon the pun).

Calahonda52

woodpecker92 wrote: »

Thanks for your replies,

goz83 I am retired and don't have a daily route as such .I live in Dublin 9 and most of my
driving would be in the city area. I have a driveway and country runs are dependent on
deals available in hotels around the country!!

ELM327 As you might have guessed this EV/Hybrid route is new to me.Your point about cost of hybrid against
the I30 is fuel for thought (pardon the pun).

Then you need a Tesla and join the Tesla hotels circuit as a groupie:D

Fota island resort is one I know about

unkel

What timeframe are you looking to buy, woodpecker92? If you order an Ioniq fully electric today, you won't have it until October. Which is a bit of a bummer.

But from what you have said so far, you would be an ideal candidate for the fully electric (EV). There are several owners on here, myself included. You'll get a range of 200-300km out of the Ioniq, depending on your driving style and your route. Charging it up at home from empty to full at night rates costs about €2 and all public charging is free (for the moment)

Even if your mileage is low, the fuel savings are considerable. There is also very little to go wrong with an EV so maintenance is low.

Any questions, please ask and welcome to boards.ie

goz83

woodpecker92 wrote: »

Thanks for your replies,

goz83 I am retired and don't have a daily route as such .I live in Dublin 9 and most of my
driving would be in the city area. I have a driveway and country runs are dependent on
deals available in hotels around the country!!

ELM327 As you might have guessed this EV/Hybrid route is new to me.Your point about cost of hybrid against
the I30 is fuel for thought (pardon the pun).

Ok, so that says to me that EV is ideal and since you're not rushing out to work every day, it won't necessarily matter if you've got an EV with with extended range.

Next questions:

Are you looking to buy soon?

Do you want to buy new, or used?

If used, are you prepared to go to the UK?

What car are you shifting?


The Ioniq will you greater range than the Leaf and is a very nice car. Downside is that you must buy new and wait until at least October. The scrappage deal is also gone, so that rukes out trading in a banger, such as Unkel has done to get €4k off the price. An Ioniq will set you back around €28k.

You get a free Home Charge Point when you buy new, saving you several hundred euro.

The next obvious option is the Leaf. Buy new and you're looking at a 30kw version, which would comfortably give you around 160klms in a charge. It cost less than the Ioniq too. Buy used and you're more than likely looking at a 24kw version, which will give you 100klms+. There is seriously good value in 2-3 year old Leafs, where more than half the value has been knocked off in depreciation, especially in the UK......I chose this option. A very good home charge point, plus installation cost circa €800.

The eGolf might also suit you, but most agree it's priced too high at €35k after the grant.

There are other options, but I am not very familiar with other models, such as the Zoe and the i3. Others might chime in.

Mope

But has anyone actually ring all or at least 3-4 dealers and Head Office to enquire about available cars on market to buy now? You know, the white ones, black? Are they all really sold out until next batch in October?

deepimpact

I bought the Ioniq hybrid myself last year and picked it up when the dealer opened after the New Year.

I did as much homework as possible, I took into account nearly every aspect of my personal and work life (mileage, number of cars in household, home location, location relative to charging network, practicalities of EV vs hybrid for day-to-day operation, frequency of long range driving etc.). Then I reworked this and continued to refine and arrive at conclusions. I know, I'm one of those nerds

I came to the conclusion that the hybrid was for me, but only just. I feel that I made the correct decision considering my circumstances at that particular time.

However, I told my local dealer to notify me when the higher capacity batteries become available, which is right within the trade-in window I had in mind.

unkel

If you often have to drive well over 200km in a day, then the pure EV wouldn't be the natural choice. Having to charge on your daily commute is something only a hardcore enthusiast would do. It wouldn't be for me.

Do you have a very long commute or do you regularly do very long trips, scanlant?

zilog_jones

ELM327 wrote: »

If you're doing enough KM to be outside the EV range daily, then you will pay more for fuel in the Ioniq hybrid than you would an i30 diesel

The i40 would be a fairer comparison (it's what he already has, and is closer in size to the Ioniq), and on average they achieve significantly worse fuel economy than the Ioniq:

Ioniq Hybrid: 4.98 l/100km - https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/19-Hyundai/1554-IONIQ.html?fueltype=2&powerunit=2
i40: 6.51 l/100km - https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/overview/19-Hyundai/1238-i40.html?fueltype=1

But yes, certainly the EV is the better choice if it suits.

ELM327

Are they real world l/100km figures?
I find it hard to believe that outside the NEDC/city, a petrol hybrid could beat a similar diesel for MPG

Mope

I would agree that this is possible. Seeing your home Prius drivers avarage insane mileage. It all depends on how heavy your foot is and how flat the ground is

corks finest

woodpecker92 wrote: »

Mainly cost of running and environment. Tax on current car is 570euro plus running cost.
Tax on Ioniq is 180Euro.To me hybrid or electric is the way to go.

Saw one in Carrigaline yesterday,white,looks fantastic

zilog_jones

ELM327 wrote: »

Are they real world l/100km figures?
I find it hard to believe that outside the NEDC/city, a petrol hybrid could beat a similar diesel for MPG

Those are averages based on data from real owners. Average on that site for the 4th gen Prius is 4.5 l/100km (63 MPG). Of course with sites like these they may be skewed towards enthusiasts, but with Spritmonitor it's also about tracking costs in general and not just fuel efficiency so there are people who drive normally too.

Hybrids have always been more efficient than diesels for city driving, it's only with motorway driving were they previously weren't so great - but they've certainly closed the gap with the current generation. We don't know too much about Hyundai/Kia hybrids yet, but in general they're more reliable than modern diesels so should cost less in terms of maintenance too.

bk

unkel wrote: »

But from what you have said so far, you would be an ideal candidate for the fully electric (EV). There are several owners on here, myself included. You'll get a range of 200-300km out of the Ioniq, depending on your driving style and your route. Charging it up at home from empty to full at night rates costs about €2 and all public charging is free (for the moment)

I wouldn't necessarily say he is an ideal candidate, not yet.

woodpecker92 usage is very similar to mine, live in Dublin, little or no daily driving, but "long distance" at the weekends for trips away.

But I decided that we aren't there yet for people like me.

The Leaf, even 30kw is a non starter, two x 30 minute stops to get Cork to Dublin, too much. Ioniq is very exciting and much closer, 1 x 30 minute stop to get to Cork is ok, but I decided I don't want to do that with a screaming baby in the back! Very close though.

Once the Ioniq or similar can do Cork to Dublin at motorway speeds, in all weather, I'm in.

For woodpecker92, it would depend if he minds adding 30 minutes (Cork, Limerick, Galway, Belfast) to 60 minutes (Killarney, Donegal) to his trips?

Being retired and assuming no screaming kids, then maybe he doesn't and the cost savings could easily make up for the wait if not in a rush to get to the destination.

One concern I would have is the sparsity of the CCS charging network, in particular in those further, more rural locations (the Killarneys, Donegal, etc.).

So I wouldn't rule out an EV for woodpecker92, but I also certainly wouldn't say it is a slam dunk. I'd say the Hybid Ioniq could be quiet a good compromise for someone on these sort of journeys. But then I'd also be looking at the Prius and the other Toyota Hybrids and maybe look at a cheap, older second hand Hybrid to plug the gap for a few years until the real world 300km BEV's come out.

BTW as an aside, one advantage of a hybrid over a regular Diesel for a retired person, is the automatic nature of Hybrids, it can make it much easier to drive for elderly people (or anyone frankly).

deepimpact

unkel wrote: »

Do you have a very long commute or do you regularly do very long trips, scanlant?

I don't have the most taxing commute, but depending on what I'm doing at the weekend I could pile on the mileage. I'd head home to the west coast fairly regularly and I'm based on the east coast. Like bk, once I can get home on a full charge, I'm in. The 40kWh Ioniq should satisfy that.

I was on the edge of getting the EV (I had the EV ordered before I went with the hybrid in the end), but I switched and got the hybrid.

If I was living in Dublin, I'd take the EV if my circumstances were otherwise the same.

unkel

bk wrote: »

Being retired and assuming no screaming kids,

Exactly. Retired so assuming he's not in a major hurry either, so having to charge now and then is fine

I don't do a lot of 200+ km trips, if I did I wouldn't have bought the full EV. But the few long trips that I do make, will always be with the kids, who need a break / stop every few hours anyway, so charging is fine

In a previous role I had customers all over the country, like having to be at the furthest end in Donegal for 9:30AM and that was before there were any of the new motorways. No way in hell would I have bought an EV for that. With the speeds I did, I would have had to charge about 10 times to get there

scanlant wrote: »

I'd head home to the west coast fairly regularly and I'm based on the east coast.

I guess it depends where home on the west coast is

Dublin to Galway is 200km and the Ioniq should be able to that without charging. But I suppose for most other places you would need to stop and charge

bk

unkel wrote: »

Exactly. Retired so assuming he's not in a major hurry either, so having to charge now and then is fine

But I think you need to make it clear to him what the reality is and that he would be ok with that, not everyone would be happy to sit around an ugly service station for an extra 30 minutes to an hour, even if they are retired and in no rush.

Also I'd be quiet cautious about travelling around the West coast with the limited number of CCS chargers. You would really need to make someone like this aware of that.

So I certainly wouldn't call a person like this a "slam dunk" for EV's, actually at the moment I'd say they are quiet marginal and it would depend on how much inconvenience they are willing to suffer for the sake of an EV. A hybrid can be a good alternative for people like us on this thread.

For me, the people who are slam dunks for EV's are people with a long daily commute, but still short enough to do it on one charge (or with work charging) and who don't do long distance weekend trips often or have a second car in the family for that. These are the best folks for EV's at the moment as they get most out of the savings on high mileage.

Long distance weekend drivers can of course also benefit from reduced costs of their mileage, but it is less of a slam dunk as currently there is a trade off for them of sitting around in a service station for 30 to 60 minutes.

BTW interesting I was reading a survey of EV owners in Norway. They found that the majority of EV owners had a second ICE car in the family and that they used that for long distance trips. The EV was mostly used for the daily commute.

Of course this will all change in time as EV's gain more range.

deepimpact

unkel wrote: »

I guess it depends where home on the west coast is

Dublin to Galway is 200km and the Ioniq should be able to that without charging. But I suppose for most other places you would need to stop and charge

It's a 240-250km journey using the motorway for me, so definitely would need a fast-charge on the way down the M7. Maybe a second if I was feeling a bit adventurous. I'd do that journey fairly regularly to check in on the folks.

It's just outside the range of the current Ioniq, but should be perfect for the larger capacity battery version that should be released sometime in the next couple of years. Then I'll switch.

I'm happy with my decision to go with the hybrid, but the EV has an awful lot going for it and should be seriously considered by anyone thinking about switching to the hybrid.

unkel

Couldn't agree more with both your posts

zilog_jones

@scanlant: How do you find the hybrid? Did you drive any other hybrids before this, and if so how does it compare?

It seems quite similar to the Prius in terms of power, but the transmission seems a lot different as it's apparently some dual clutch 6-speed yoke, compared to Toyota hybrids which use a continuously variable planetary gearset. A lot of the western motoring press don't seem to like the latter, but I think it's more of a "it's different, therefore it sucks" situation rather than being genuinely bad.

deepimpact

I test drove a 2011 Lexus Ct200h before I looked at the Ioniq and I was impressed by the Toyota hybrid tech, but to be honest I didn't gain enough experience with that type of gearbox to compare.

I love the hybrid, there was a little regret that I didn't get the EV initially, but it was the smarter choice for my current circumstances. Roll on the 40kWh

BoatMad

bk wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily say he is an ideal candidate, not yet.

woodpecker92 usage is very similar to mine, live in Dublin, little or no daily driving, but "long distance" at the weekends for trips away.

But I decided that we aren't there yet for people like me.

The Leaf, even 30kw is a non starter, two x 30 minute stops to get Cork to Dublin, too much. Ioniq is very exciting and much closer, 1 x 30 minute stop to get to Cork is ok, but I decided I don't want to do that with a screaming baby in the back! Very close though.

Once the Ioniq or similar can do Cork to Dublin at motorway speeds, in all weather, I'm in.

For woodpecker92, it would depend if he minds adding 30 minutes (Cork, Limerick, Galway, Belfast) to 60 minutes (Killarney, Donegal) to his trips?

Being retired and assuming no screaming kids, then maybe he doesn't and the cost savings could easily make up for the wait if not in a rush to get to the destination.

One concern I would have is the sparsity of the CCS charging network, in particular in those further, more rural locations (the Killarneys, Donegal, etc.).

So I wouldn't rule out an EV for woodpecker92, but I also certainly wouldn't say it is a slam dunk. I'd say the Hybid Ioniq could be quiet a good compromise for someone on these sort of journeys. But then I'd also be looking at the Prius and the other Toyota Hybrids and maybe look at a cheap, older second hand Hybrid to plug the gap for a few years until the real world 300km BEV's come out.

BTW as an aside, one advantage of a hybrid over a regular Diesel for a retired person, is the automatic nature of Hybrids, it can make it much easier to drive for elderly people (or anyone frankly).

A 30 Kw Leaf driven at an indicated 110 km will happily do the 250 KM Dublin to Cork in one charge assuming you leave with 100% . I can quite easily achieve 150km at 110 with 15-20% remaining , 100 km would require 20 minutes or less charging

unkel

BoatMad wrote: »

A 30 Kw Leaf driven at an indicated 110 km will happily do the 250 KM Dublin to Cork in one charge assuming you leave with 100%

No it can't. Not even the Ioniq can do that.

Edit - or do you mean with one stop to re-charge rather than "in one charge"?

goz83

unkel wrote: »

No it can't. Not even the Ioniq can do that.

Edit - or do you mean with one stop to re-charge rather than "in one charge"?

I'm pretty sure he was saying that 150klms would be done, leaving 15-20% battery and a 20 min charge would get the next 100klms.

unkel

Yeah I suppose so. Only a Tesla can do 250km of motorway driving at the speed limit in one charge.

cros13

unkel wrote: »

Yeah I suppose so. Only a Tesla can do 250km of motorway driving at the speed limit in one charge.

And an Ampera-e... and you might squeeze that out of a 41kWh Zoe... but there are a lot more options due in the next 6-12 months.

I'd say any buyers temped by the Hybrids should probably hold off until at least the 181 reg.

unkel

Not a hope in the new Zoe if the tests I've seen are to be believed. Don't know the coefficient of drag, but it doesn't look very aerodynamic to me. And the Ampera isn't available here or in the UK, so that car is dead to us

So as I said, the Teslas are the only cars that can do that range at 120km/h

cerberos

scanlant wrote: »

However, I told my local dealer to notify me when the higher capacity batteries become available, which is right within the trade-in window I had in mind.

Do you mean PHEV (Pluggable Hybrid ) Ioniq???


If Hyrid spent a lot of time on Petrol, whats a Petrol Only equivalent with the same Features ?

bk

BoatMad wrote: »

A 30 Kw Leaf driven at an indicated 110 km will happily do the 250 KM Dublin to Cork in one charge assuming you leave with 100% . I can quite easily achieve 150km at 110 with 15-20% remaining , 100 km would require 20 minutes or less charging

Last time I checked, 110km/h isn't the motorway speed limit!

At 120km/h or higher (lets be honest, most people do) then you would definitely need two stops.

unkel

And 110km/h indicated in Leaf is not much more than 100km/h real speed

unkel

unkel wrote: »

And 110km/h indicated in Leaf is not much more than 100km/h real speed

That's+ quiet similar in most vehicles required by law. It's about 7 Kph off and that's pretty close to a lot of cars. Some are a bit less.

unkel

Required by law is that real speed <= indicated speed <= real speed + 10% + 4km/h

So real speed of 160km/h can be indicated as anything between 160km/h and 180km/h

Personally I prefer it to be precise. In BMWs and Porsches the indicated speed is usually very, very close to the real speed. In the Ioniq the indicated speed is about 4km/h higher and about 5km/h higher above 120km/h. I believe the difference in the Leaf is bigger.

cros13

cerberos wrote: »

Do you mean PHEV (Pluggable Hybrid ) Ioniq???


If Hyrid spent a lot of time on Petrol, whats a Petrol Only equivalent with the same Features ?

Nah... there's a new Ioniq EV due in early 2018 with a higher capacity battery.

unkel

cros13 wrote: »

Nah... there's a new Ioniq EV due in early 2018 with a higher capacity battery.

And the Tesla Model 3 is due to start production in 3 months time. Will availability of both be a very long time after they were promised? I'd say you could bet money on that.

cerberos

cros13 wrote: »

Nah... there's a new Ioniq EV due in early 2018 with a higher capacity battery.

Thx CRO

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Required by law is that real speed <= indicated speed <= real speed + 10% + 4km/h

So real speed of 160km/h can be indicated as anything between 160km/h and 180km/h

Personally I prefer it to be precise. In BMWs and Porsches the indicated speed is usually very, very close to the real speed. In the Ioniq the indicated speed is about 4km/h higher and about 5km/h higher above 120km/h. I believe the difference in the Leaf is bigger.

I posted some results earlier. Tesla was the only car that was bang on the money. Leaf was quite far off but not as bad as some Opels for example.

zilog_jones

cerberos wrote: »

Do you mean PHEV (Pluggable Hybrid ) Ioniq???

Plug-in hybrids generally don't have large batteries as you still have to fit a petrol tank and petrol engine in the car. The Ioniq Plug-in has an 8.9 kWh battery (much bigger than the standard hybrid but still small compared to the EV), which should give it about 50 km EV range. The intention is for doing city driving or short-range commutes in electric-only mode, while using the combined power of electric motors and the petrol engine for longer range driving comparable to a normal petrol car or hybrid.

ELM327

zilog_jones wrote: »

Plug-in hybrids generally don't have large batteries as you still have to fit a petrol tank and petrol engine in the car. The Ioniq Plug-in has an 8.9 kWh battery (much bigger than the standard hybrid but still small compared to the EV), which should give it about 50 km EV range. The intention is for doing city driving or short-range commutes in electric-only mode, while using the combined power of electric motors and the petrol engine for longer range driving comparable to a normal petrol car or hybrid.

I do think that a lot of people will change to a plug in hybrid, when they dont need to. IE when plug in hybrids are the same price as the diesel, but offer the same EV range as the current leaf/zoe. Then people will see that they didnt actually need the range.

cros13

cros13 wrote: »

Nah... there's a new Ioniq EV due in early 2018 with a higher capacity battery.

Not a new model surely ?

cros13

Deleted User wrote: »

Not a new model surely ?

Let's just say the LG Chem cells used in the Ioniq are not as dense as those being supplied to other manufacturers and there's a little extra room in the central tunnel.
The Ioniq also shares it's powertrain platform with the Kia Niro... and an SUV needs more kWh to hit decent range.

Yes they're not as energy dense, probably can't be due to the lack of active thermal management.

But you said "new model"

cros13

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes they're not as energy dense, probably can't be due to the lack of active thermal management.

But you said "new model"

For the Ioniq it's just a refresh. But that refreshed powertrain will be going in the BEV Kia Niro and an unnamed Hyundai crossover.

Hardly a refresh after just being released and can't even meet demand.

More like just a battery upgrade.

cros13

Deleted User wrote: »

Hardly a refresh after just being released and can't even meet demand.

More like just a battery upgrade.

There will be some additional minor changes to the interior.

thelikelylad

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes they're not as energy dense, probably can't be due to the lack of active thermal management.

The Ioniq has fans under the back seat that actively air cool the battery. I did Cork -> Dublin -> Cork on Monday. You could hear the fans doing there thing during the 4th fast charge of the day in Cork when I got back.

The Leaf doesn't have any fans for air cooling right? but the Zoe does?