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Novice here - started with a PT - Question regarding a protein supplement?

  • 07-04-2017 9:09am
    #1
    Site Banned Posts: 34


    I bought this from him based upon his recommendation - i was distracted with work stuff when I was with him so forgot to ask many questions.

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    I just want to get this straight - its to help my muscles recover as theyre not used to strenuous activity? And theres protein in it?

    Also how much and how often do I take? I think he said 4 scoops in a 500ml glass after every work out.

    Can it make me put on weight?

    Thanks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    4 scoops is 2 servings and 50g of protein. That sounds a bit much. 2 scoops in 250ml of water should be sufficient. 2 scoops is 130 calories. Eat 130 calories less of something else to balance it out - otherwise it's an extra 130 calories on top of your food intake. It contains calories so yes it can make you put on weight but only if your overall food intake including the shake has more calories than you burn.

    Also, there are less expensive protein supplements with the same profile as the Hydra 6 above.


  • Site Banned Posts: 34 Melt Forward


    4 scoops is 2 servings and 50g of protein. That sounds a bit much. 2 scoops in 250ml of water should be sufficient. 2 scoops is 130 calories. Eat 130 calories less of something else to balance it out - otherwise it's an extra 130 calories on top of your food intake. It contains calories so yes it can make you put on weight but only if your overall food intake including the shake has more calories than you burn.

    Also, there are less expensive protein supplements with the same profile as the Hydra 6 above.

    Thanks for that

    He charged me 40 quid

    I work out twice a day - weights in the morning and cardio in the evening so that would be 260 calories daily in total right?

    I'll just drop a snack to offset it

    But thanks for clearing it up for me :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    Thanks for that

    He charged me 40 quid

    I work out twice a day - weights in the morning and cardio in the evening so that would be 260 calories daily in total right?

    I'll just drop a snack to offset it

    But thanks for clearing it up for me :-)

    You should be getting a good serving of protein from your food throughout the day rather than just after a workout. A shake isn't really necessary after cardio, per se. It's not really necessary at all if you make sure to get protein in your food.

    On the shake, it's a mix of whey and casein. A whey shake would be sufficient, to be honest and I daresay you could get more for less money on a site such as MyProtein, Discount Supplements, The Protein Works or Bulk Powders, to name a few.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    I bought this from him based upon his recommendation

    ....how much do you think you should trust someone's recommendation when they're going to directly profit from your purchase? Doctors don't sell medicine for a very good reason.
    its to help my muscles recover as theyre not used to strenuous activity

    He is telling you total garbage to extract money from your pocket. I would dump him immediately to be honest. Someone who treats their own clients as a fleecing opportunity is a scumbag, in my opinion. How can you trust anything he tells you when apparently he sees you as a mark?

    To develop your muscles you need a decent protein intake. The vast majority of that protein should come from normal day-to-day foods. If you think you'll struggle to get enough protein into your diet you should get a basic whey supplement from somewhere like MyProtein or Bulk Powers, because it has a very high protein content. That's it. It is a very basic substance, there is nothing exotic about it. Any other garbage you hear about it providing energy, or being muscle fuel, or being necessary when you're not used to strenuous recovery, total rubbish.

    As a rule, if the packaging has anything fancy on it, it is expensive bullshit targeted at people who don't know any better. For example, yours has a grenade on the front with military camo - that's a bad sign.

    This is what a bag from MyProtein looks like:
    10530943-2084357599234105.jpg

    You can tell they're not trying to tap into the meathead market.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Beware PT's pushing sups.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    bladespin wrote: »
    Beware PT's pushing sups.

    Jesus trainers never cease to entertain me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Zillah wrote: »
    ....how much do you think you should trust someone's recommendation when they're going to directly profit from your purchase? Doctors don't sell medicine for a very good reason.



    He is telling you total garbage to extract money from your pocket. I would dump him immediately to be honest. Someone who treats their own clients as a fleecing opportunity is a scumbag, in my opinion. How can you trust anything he tells you when apparently he sees you as a mark?

    To develop your muscles you need a decent protein intake. The vast majority of that protein should come from normal day-to-day foods. If you think you'll struggle to get enough protein into your diet you should get a basic whey supplement from somewhere like MyProtein or Bulk Powers, because it has a very high protein content. That's it. It is a very basic substance, there is nothing exotic about it. Any other garbage you hear about it providing energy, or being muscle fuel, or being necessary when you're not used to strenuous recovery, total rubbish.

    As a rule, if the packaging has anything fancy on it, it is expensive bullshit targeted at people who don't know any better. For example, yours has a grenade on the front with military camo - that's a bad sign.

    This is what a bag from MyProtein looks like:
    10530943-2084357599234105.jpg

    You can tell they're not trying to tap into the meathead market.

    You sound like a lunatic.Complete over reaction.And there you are posting a picture of......another protein supplement..I understand the lust for certain brands of protein on this site but you guys be splitting hairs over a few grams.(oh and$$)
    For all you know the pt might be very very good at what he does,would it have been ok if he sold him some myprotein whey in a bag? Or is it his description on the effectiveness of the product that bothers you.

    Bland generic packaging for the win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    drdeadlift wrote: »
    Zillah wrote: »
    ....how much do you think you should trust someone's recommendation when they're going to directly profit from your purchase? Doctors don't sell medicine for a very good reason.



    He is telling you total garbage to extract money from your pocket. I would dump him immediately to be honest. Someone who treats their own clients as a fleecing opportunity is a scumbag, in my opinion. How can you trust anything he tells you when apparently he sees you as a mark?

    To develop your muscles you need a decent protein intake. The vast majority of that protein should come from normal day-to-day foods. If you think you'll struggle to get enough protein into your diet you should get a basic whey supplement from somewhere like MyProtein or Bulk Powers, because it has a very high protein content. That's it. It is a very basic substance, there is nothing exotic about it. Any other garbage you hear about it providing energy, or being muscle fuel, or being necessary when you're not used to strenuous recovery, total rubbish.

    As a rule, if the packaging has anything fancy on it, it is expensive bullshit targeted at people who don't know any better. For example, yours has a grenade on the front with military camo - that's a bad sign.

    This is what a bag from MyProtein looks like:
    10530943-2084357599234105.jpg

    You can tell they're not trying to tap into the meathead market.

    You sound like a lunatic.Complete over reaction.And there you are posting a picture of......another protein supplement..I understand the lust for certain brands of protein on this site but you guys be splitting hairs over a few grams.(oh and$)
    For all you know the pt might be very very good at what he does,would it have been ok if he sold him some myprotein whey in a bag? Or is it his description on the effectiveness of the product that bothers you.

    Bland generic packaging for the win.

    Spot on. It makes no difference at all. He denounces a protein brand, then recommends another protein brand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    drdeadlift wrote: »
    You sound like a lunatic.Complete over reaction.And there you are posting a picture of......another protein supplement..I understand the lust for certain brands of protein on this site but you guys be splitting hairs over a few grams.(oh and$$)
    For all you know the pt might be very very good at what he does,would it have been ok if he sold him some myprotein whey in a bag? Or is it his description on the effectiveness of the product that bothers you.

    Bland generic packaging for the win.

    It's about the horseshit bloated price of products like that, isn't that obvious?

    Go here, do the math:
    https://www.grenade.com/uk/hydra-6

    They are charging 84 pounds for 1.8kg.

    If you check the prices for MyProtein you can get 5kg for 54.99, before sales discount, which is almost all the time.

    To put it another way:
    This laughable macho military man protein is charging 46 per KG.
    MyProtein is charging 10.99.

    So yeah, all protein is equal, except some protein costs four times as much. Bland generic packaging for the win, indeed.

    The reason I say dump the PT is because he is at the very least giving bad advice (telling them to waste their money on outrageously over priced protein), or B) Deliberately telling them to waste their money because the PT gets a cut.

    He should be looking out for his client, not fleecing him like a mark.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    I love that, a very common thing around here. Poster comes on to ask about the efficacy of a product and never actually gets their question answered amid a cacophony of lectures about the price per gram of protein. I don't think I've ever seen one of these threads solved with an actual answer to the original question. Why not give him some advice on what shampoo to use while you're at it?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    I'll try: yes, if you eat it in the correct quantities, it can help you to put on weight as part of a balanced diet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,694 ✭✭✭✭Alf Veedersane


    The OP's question on putting on weight was answered.

    "It contains calories so yes it can make you put on weight but only if your overall food intake including the shake has more calories than you burn."


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    I love that, a very common thing around here. Poster comes on to ask about the efficacy of a product and never actually gets their question answered amid a cacophony of lectures about the price per gram of protein. I don't think I've ever seen one of these threads solved with an actual answer to the original question. Why not give him some advice on what shampoo to use while you're at it?

    You have a seriously weird chip on your shoulder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    Spot on. It makes no difference at all. He denounces a protein brand, then recommends another protein brand.
    He was denouncing PTs (or anybody) pushing a particular product as being the best, when thy conveniently sell it themselves.

    I'd hope he'd have the same issue if he was selling MyProtein products at a huge mark-up too.
    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    I love that, a very common thing around here. Poster comes on to ask about the efficacy of a product and never actually gets their question answered amid a cacophony of lectures about the price per gram of protein. I don't think I've ever seen one of these threads solved with an actual answer to the original question. Why not give him some advice on what shampoo to use while you're at it?

    You're taking a very odd stance on this tbh. Do you think it's OK for PTs to push products like that? Are you a PT btw?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 908 ✭✭✭Jayesdiem


    No I'm not but I know that plenty of PTs do sell on the side as an extra stream of income. I don't see the issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    The issue is that when you go to a PT, you're placing your trust in them, that they'll do what's best for you at a reasonable (read: market based) price and will not attempt to screw you out of any money (note: the words "screw you out of" are the important ones there).

    My gym sells supplements, which I buy from them. Know why I don't feel like they're doing me out of money? They sell to me at cost price. It's actually cheaper for me to get it from my gym than directly from the supp company's own website. They're not pushing the product to make money off me (they do that by providing me an excellent service at a reasonable price), they're pushing the product because they believe it'll help me.

    If you can't trust your PT to do at least that, you've probably got a shítty person training you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,430 ✭✭✭bladespin


    Jayesdiem wrote:
    No I'm not but I know that plenty of PTs do sell on the side as an extra stream of income. I don't see the issue.

    What comes first; what the client needs or the sale?
    Conflict of interest springs to mind.

    MasteryDarts Ireland - Master your game!



  • Site Banned Posts: 34 Melt Forward


    How much is the price difference in the 40 he charged me and what I could have got the same product for elsewhere?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,900 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Jayesdiem wrote: »
    No I'm not but I know that plenty of PTs do sell on the side as an extra stream of income. I don't see the issue.
    Selling on the side is fine as long as it's an honest sale. "Btw I have some supplements if your looking for anything".

    But misleading clients so he can take money off them is entirely diffetent.
    "You need to take this or else you wont make progress"

    Surely you understand the diffetence. It's pretty simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    How much is the price difference in the 40 he charged me and what I could have got the same product for elsewhere?

    Firstly, it's not a question of him overcharging for the product; it's him recommending a product that costs 4 times (based on web prices) as much as a basic whey supplement, which is what he should be recommending instead. It's bad advice, even if he was selling it at cost, you're still paying through the nose for no reason.

    How big is the tub?


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  • Site Banned Posts: 34 Melt Forward


    It's 908 grams!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    It's 908 grams!

    I did some googling and you can get the exact same product, except it's 1800 grams, for 43 quid, here. http://www.hpnutrition.ie/Shop-by-Brand/Grenade/Grenade-Hydra-6

    That does seem quite cheap. In yer man's defence, he does seem to be charging less than the supplier charges on their own website.

    The most important thing, however, is that you can get a high quality whey supplement from somewhere like bulk powders or, for example, MyProtein, of 2500 grams for 35 quid right now with their current sale, though they 15% off they are giving right now is only ok; I've seen sales with as much as 30% off.

    Also, it didn't really register before that he told you to take four scoops at once! 100g of protein all at once is quite excessive. Classic broscience advice.

    All that aside, though, don't forget that protein supplements are just food, they're neither miracle workers nor mandatory; focus on the lifts!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,394 ✭✭✭Transform


    Zillah wrote: »
    I did some googling and you can get the exact same product, except it's 1800 grams, for 43 quid, here. http://www.hpnutrition.ie/Shop-by-Brand/Grenade/Grenade-Hydra-6

    That does seem quite cheap. In yer man's defence, he does seem to be charging less than the supplier charges on their own website.

    The most important thing, however, is that you can get a high quality whey supplement from somewhere like bulk powders or, for example, MyProtein, of 2500 grams for 35 quid right now with their current sale, though they 15% off they are giving right now is only ok; I've seen sales with as much as 30% off.

    Also, it didn't really register before that he told you to take four scoops at once! 100g of protein all at once is quite excessive. Classic broscience advice.

    All that aside, though, don't forget that protein supplements are just food, they're neither miracle workers nor mandatory; focus on the lifts!
    that last line ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    The client should care less about the supplements suggested and more about the quality of the session on offer.

    I know of no high quality trainers that offer supplements "on the side" as they would be wall to wall with clients and wouldnt be ar$ed with the hassle to have to handle product all the time.

    Best to leave it to the companies that do it full time IMO


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    Zillah wrote: »
    It's about the horseshit bloated price of products like that, isn't that obvious?

    Go here, do the math:
    https://www.grenade.com/uk/hydra-6

    They are charging 84 pounds for 1.8kg.

    If you check the prices for MyProtein you can get 5kg for 54.99, before sales discount, which is almost all the time.

    To put it another way:
    This laughable macho military man protein is charging 46 per KG.
    MyProtein is charging 10.99.

    So yeah, all protein is equal, except some protein costs four times as much. Bland generic packaging for the win, indeed.

    The reason I say dump the PT is because he is at the very least giving bad advice (telling them to waste their money on outrageously over priced protein), or B) Deliberately telling them to waste their money because the PT gets a cut.

    He should be looking out for his client, not fleecing him like a mark.

    Once upon a time i use to purchase upward of 12k of protein wholesale from the uk+eu every other month.
    I understand the quantity and cost are much more favorable on the mp site..But get this,,people will still prefer the fancy product over the value you suggest.
    Even being honest as day with customers showing them the numbers most of the time the go with the bs product...and if you look the part you sell much more product.
    The level of fickleness amount people looking to improve themselves is very annoying..You should work in a supp shop for a weekend.
    This is where i feel you are wrong,simply because your aware of the cost of protein elsewhere you feel like this person is being ripped off.
    You could suggest to the person next time they buy whey they can purchase from mp..
    instead of going of on a character bashing rant of aperson who you do not know.

    #capitalism


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,115 ✭✭✭✭Nervous Wreck


    It's 908 grams!

    Just ordered 2.5kg of whey from MyProtein for €41 delivered. For the same amount, you'd be paying ~€100 for this grenade stuff...

    Tbf, we all fall for the traps at the start. When I started lifting, I spent some amount of cash on MaxiMuscle crap!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Extra protein init?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,189 ✭✭✭drdeadlift


    True,they could call it jacked rat flavor


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