Cameras on M50, possibly ANPR?

smilgy

I was passing the M50 on Friday and Sunday and these are placed at J9 (N7) going northbound. I was wondering what they are?

https://youtu.be/fkFm6EDI2fI

It is two cameras as seen on the right hand side. Could they possibly be stationary Garda ANPR cameras?

fancy pigeon

The 2 yellow cameras?

smilgy

Yep, just as you go under the bridge. More curious than anything. I know, the video isn't great, but surely other people have seen them.

Captain Chaos

Finally, can't wait for this to come in. The amount of un-insured and un-taxed cars I have noticed over the past 6 months is amazing. They need to link the ANPR system to insurance and tax revenue database.

H3llR4iser

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Finally, can't wait for this to come in. The amount of un-insured and un-taxed cars I have noticed over the past 6 months is amazing. They need to link the ANPR system to insurance and tax revenue database.

It's quite interesting how AnPost seems to be able to constantly harass people without a TV about TV License based on the absence of a record ("we know this address but there's no license to it!"), while the Motor Tax Office can't apparently match vehicle registrations with paid or unpaid tax records

IrishZeus

smilgy wrote: »

This kind of sh*t does my head in - "This is what we will all be up against very soon".

You'd swear the Gardai were the criminals for trying to enforce the law. The sooner these cameras are brought in, the better.

grogi

H3llR4iser wrote: »

It's quite interesting how AnPost seems to be able to constantly harass people without a TV about TV License based on the absence of a record ("we know this address but there's no license to it!"), while the Motor Tax Office can't apparently match vehicle registrations with paid or unpaid tax records

It is not an offence just to have untaxed car...

smilgy

IrishZeus wrote: »

This kind of sh*t does my head in - "This is what we will all be up against very soon".

You'd swear the Gardai were the criminals for trying to enforce the law. The sooner these cameras are brought in, the better.

I would suggest not reading any of the comments posted under posts from those sort of pages..

IrishZeus

smilgy wrote: »

I would suggest not reading any of the comments posted under posts from those sort of pages..

Haha - I'm well aware of them but couldn't be arsed reading them

The ones commenting are the ones that will be off the roads overnight when these systems come in.

H3llR4iser

grogi wrote: »

It is not an offence just to have untaxed car...

As it isn't not to have a TV license, it's just that AnPost "assumes" you have a TV and are in breach; Wouldn't be a stretch to assume an untaxed but registered car, which wasn't declared off the road, is actually circulating...I mean, I've seen cars in shopping center car parks with a tax disc from 2012!

givyjoe

IrishZeus wrote: »

This kind of sh*t does my head in - "This is what we will all be up against very soon".

You'd swear the Gardai were the criminals for trying to enforce the law. The sooner these cameras are brought in, the better.

No irony in the above whatsoever :P:D:pac:

grogi

H3llR4iser wrote: »

As it isn't not to have a TV license, it's just that AnPost "assumes" you have a TV and are in breach;

Actually it is an offence to fail to send the declaration and not to have a license... Broadcasting Act 2009, section 147 (4) is clear about that.

There is no such provision for Motor Tax. There are ideas about introducing continuous taxation - but they are only in the air atm.

GM228

grogi wrote: »

Actually it is an offence to fail to send the declaration and not to have a license... Broadcasting Act 2009, section 147 (4) is clear about that.

There is no such provision for Motor Tax. There are ideas about introducing continuous taxation - but they are only in the air atm.

It's an offence not to pay motor tax aswell. Generally only the offence of failure to display however is applied

smilgy

Rather than discussing motor tax, insurance and the TV license, can anyone shed any light on what those two things are?

grogi

GM228 wrote: »

It's an offence not to pay motor tax aswell.

No. It is an offence to DRIVE a car without motor tax. Massive difference...

So you cannot just take the list of cars, check what is taxed and fine the rest. You actually need to have a proof that particular car was driven when it wasn't taxed. APNR is essential for enforcement here.

GM228

grogi wrote: »

No. It is an offence to DRIVE a car without motor tax. Massive difference...

So you cannot just take the list of cars, check what is taxed and fine the rest. You actually need to have a proof that particular car was driven when it wasn't taxed. APNR is essential for enforcement here.

To be clear:-
You can't keep a car in a public place without paying motor tax, weather you drive it or not is irrelevant.

grogi

GM228 wrote: »

You can't keep a car in a public place without paying motor tax, weather you drive it or not is irrelevant.

Fair point. I can keep untaxed car in private place though, right?

GM228

grogi wrote: »

Fair point. I can keep untaxed car in private place though, right?

Correct, but you are required by law to declare it off the road.

Widdershins

GM228 wrote: »

Correct, but you are required by law to declare it off the road.

And if you had an untaxed vehicle and didn't declare it off the road but had it parked up for a period of time, on private property...?

GhostyMcGhost

GM228 wrote: »

Correct, but you are required by law to declare it off the road.

Only if you ever intend taxing it again at some point in the future.... so you won't pay arrears for time it wasn't on the road

1 exception, you can drive to and from NCT

_Kaiser_

IrishZeus wrote: »

This kind of sh*t does my head in - "This is what we will all be up against very soon".

You'd swear the Gardai were the criminals for trying to enforce the law. The sooner these cameras are brought in, the better.

Well given recent revelations around drink drive checkpoints and other ongoing scandals, the Gardai are hardly the whiter than white guardians of justice they SHOULD be to be honest.

I've no issue with ANPR cameras for insurance/tax checks myself, but I don't subscribe to the "If everyone paid we - ie: *I* - would pay less!" notion either. Not in this country.

Average speed cameras will be the killer. Forced to dawdle along on empty motorways (M3, M8 etc) and the M50 after dark for fear of getting points for being a few KM over :rolleyes:

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_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Average speed cameras will be the killer. Forced to dawdle along on empty motorways (M3, M8 etc) and the M50 after dark for fear of getting points for being a few KM over :rolleyes:

AKA..driving within the speed limit

Ubbquittious

Great. Yet more big brother

Skatedude

grogi wrote: »

No. It is an offence to DRIVE a car without motor tax. Massive difference...

So you cannot just take the list of cars, check what is taxed and fine the rest. You actually need to have a proof that particular car was driven when it wasn't taxed. APNR is essential for enforcement here.

Proof? you mean like been caught on camera on a road? which is the point of this system

IrishZeus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Well given recent revelations around drink drive checkpoints and other ongoing scandals, the Gardai are hardly the whiter than white guardians of justice they SHOULD be to be honest.

I've no issue with ANPR cameras for insurance/tax checks myself, but I don't subscribe to the "If everyone paid we - ie: *I* - would pay less!" notion either. Not in this country.

Average speed cameras will be the killer. Forced to dawdle along on empty motorways (M3, M8 etc) and the M50 after dark for fear of getting points for being a few KM over :rolleyes:

I agree with you. There are probably many hidden secrets to be exposed over the next while and many Gardai are far from model-citizens, but the introduction of an ANPR system represents the Garda force entering the 21st century and removing the current "manual" processes that are leaving the system open for abuse.

This is a catch-up scenario, which if implemented well, should be fully automated - removing the possibility of the current scenarios we are seeing around MAT numbers etc. There should be no grey areas.

I do also hate the thought of Average Speed cameras... you will get people sitting at 100kmph on motorways, "just to be sure, like".

Elemonator

IrishZeus wrote: »

This kind of sh*t does my head in - "This is what we will all be up against very soon".

You'd swear the Gardai were the criminals for trying to enforce the law. The sooner these cameras are brought in, the better.

It's usually scummy people on those pages.

gctest50

Average Speed cameras can do "anpr jobs" ( tax, insurance, cloned plates) too

It needs to suss the registration number anyway

When it clocks you coming on to the motorway it can just pass on the registration number to a box that checks tax,insurance etc.

If the box responds you've no tax/insurance it can flag it

If there is a good few, it could suggest it might be a good day to set up a checkpoint

Micky 32

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Well given recent revelations around drink drive checkpoints and other ongoing scandals, the Gardai are hardly the whiter than white guardians of justice they SHOULD be to be honest.

I've no issue with ANPR cameras for insurance/tax checks myself, but I don't subscribe to the "If everyone paid we - ie: *I* - would pay less!" notion either. Not in this country.

Average speed cameras will be the killer. Forced to dawdle along on empty motorways (M3, M8 etc) and the M50 after dark for fear of getting points for being a few KM over :rolleyes:

I also wonder if the ANPR camera's will be used as a revenue collecting exercise IE if your tax is out a few days does one get a fine in the post:rolleyes:.

Most cars these days have average speed readings on the trip computer so that will come in handy when the average speed camera's come in.

Eric Cartman

once they're not average speed cameras. The last thing the M50 needs is damn speed cameras.

polan

Eric Cartman wrote: »

once they're not average speed cameras. The last thing the M50 needs is damn speed cameras.

Average speed cameras are meant to be introduced on all motorways by 2019. I remember an article from May 2015 about that. That muppet Varadkar was all for it.

Eric Cartman

polan wrote: »

Average speed cameras are meant to be introduced on all motorways by 2019. I remember an article from May 2015 about that. That muppet Varadkar was all for it.

Damnit….

The Rape of Lucretia

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Finally, can't wait for this to come in. The amount of un-insured and un-taxed cars I have noticed over the past 6 months is amazing. They need to link the ANPR system to insurance and tax revenue database.

With you there. If they were installed on all the entries and exits on the M50 and used for average speed checks, it would cut out the speeding completely.

polan

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

With you there. If they were installed on all the entries and exits on the M50 and used for average speed checks, it would cut out the speeding completely.

It would only incur more chaos on the already shite to drive on M50.

gctest50

Eric Cartman wrote: »

once they're not average speed cameras. The last thing the M50 needs is damn speed cameras.

They probably did lots of are-average-speed-cameras-worthwhile-surveys*

( * one way is to scan bluetooths at one end of the road and scan them at the other end of the road - close enough for a rough survey )

this craic :

Charles Babbage

polan wrote: »

It would only incur more chaos on the already shite to drive on M50.

Would you care to explain your theory on this matter, preferably backed up by some research.

_Kaiser_

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Would you care to explain your theory on this matter, preferably backed up by some research.

- It'd cause even more erratic driving from those who can't keep the car at a consistent speed or with the flow of the rest of the traffic as it is

- More last minute lane hopping as lower speeds will mean some will take more risks

- Less attention being paid to the road and the actual conditions because of speedometer watching

- It's ultimately unnecessary as speed on the M50 (especially at rush hour) is self-regulating due to the volume of traffic. The issues are caused by inattention, tail-gating and last minute lane changes (the latter often resulting in the former as leaving too big a gap can invite some idiot to try and squeeze into it to get a car length ahead)


As it is 100/120 is often too slow a limit for the M50/many of our quieter motorways, but especially after say 9pm when they become practically deserted.

I'd be more in favour of variable speed limits so long as they reflected the actual driving conditions at the time.. but of course that would require effort and flexibility... far easier to slap up some cameras and send fines to people for being a few km over.. that way you can point to "dealing with the problem" AND make some cash for your next self-appointed pay rise. :rolleyes:

But of course the "speed kills" types who can't judge conditions for themselves and drive appropriately as a result (whether it be faster OR slower) will think it's a great thing.

CosmicJay

Bomb it down the motorway at 150 for halfway then slam on the brakes and take the remaining 50% at 50kph in the middle lane.

Overall M50 driving wont change much.

Spanish Eyes

ANPR definitely going to be required at the O'Connell Street junctions when Cross City Luas starts up.

And on the buslanes on the quays.

That'll sort it.

slavetothegrind

cameras on city box junctions would be nice.

And mines to be detonated under muppets cutting left from the wrong lane onto south keys at butt bridge....