Renua Goes Pro Life

foglight

I see that Renua has now declared itself a Pro Life party and will campaign to retain the 8th Amendment. All its candidates will be asked to sign up to this' Core Principle'. Interesting development and have to say I am surprised as I always thought they were pro Life.

Conor Bourke

foglight wrote: »

I see that Renua has now declared itself a Pro Life party and will campaign to retain the 8th Amendment. All its candidates will be asked to sign up to this' Core Principle'. Interesting development and have to say I am surprised as I always thought they were pro Life.

Have you been living under a rock?

Here's what Lucinda had to say in 2013

https://www.google.ie/amp/www.thejournal.ie/lucinda-creighton-abortion-legislation-973853-Jul2013/%3Famp%3D1

Zimmerframe

Cornelius Crow wrote: »

Have you been living under a rock?

Did you read what he wrote, or am I reading it wrong ?

He said, he thought they always were pro life, so he's surprised they are declaring themselves pro life again.

Conor Bourke

Zimmerframe wrote: »

Did you read what he wrote, or am I reading it wrong ?

He said, he thought they always were pro life, so he's surprised they are declaring themselves pro life again.

Ah, I thought the last line was a typo and that he meant to say he always thought they were pro-choice too early on a Sunday morning for me to be be rattling round the politics forum

johnnyskeleton

foglight wrote: »

I see that Renua has now declared itself a Pro Life party and will campaign to retain the 8th Amendment. All its candidates will be asked to sign up to this' Core Principle'. Interesting development and have to say I am surprised as I always thought they were pro Life.

They marketed themselves as being economically right wing but abortion was a free vote of conscience for each of their candidates. That was because a few of their candidates shared her economic views but felt being pro life wasnt politically expedient or they were actually pro choice.

That strategy failed so I suppose openly declaring themselves as the pro life party is a more honest approach.

Zimmerframe

At this stage, I doubt it matters much what they declare or market themselves as.

keano_afc

Thats interesting. I wrote to all the candidates in my constituency before the last GE in relation to the 8th as I was genuinely unsure who to vote for (well I didnt include PBP or Labour, I'm not stupid). The reply I got from the Renua candidate is certainly at odds with their pro-life stance. I wouldnt say he was alone either.

FreudianSlippers

keano_afc wrote: »

Thats interesting. I wrote to all the candidates in my constituency before the last GE in relation to the 8th as I was genuinely unsure who to vote for (well I didnt include PBP or Labour, I'm not stupid). The reply I got from the Renua candidate is certainly at odds with their pro-life stance. I wouldnt say he was alone either.

Didn't something similar happen with that guy Chambers from FF at the last election? I'm not in that constituency (AFAIK it's the same one Varadkar is in - Dublin West?), but I vaguely recall that he only came out as staunchly pro-life after the election and apparently he was very non-committal about it during campaigning.

If I was in that constituency I would have been very angry if I gave him a preference!

Palmach

Good to see at least one party bucking the consensus.

Zaph

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Didn't something similar happen with that guy Chambers from FF at the last election? I'm not in that constituency (AFAIK it's the same one Varadkar is in - Dublin West?), but I vaguely recall that he only came out as staunchly pro-life after the election and apparently he was very non-committal about it during campaigning.

If I was in that constituency I would have been very angry if I gave him a preference!

A lot of people were angry about him before the election because he was selected over a longer established and fairly popular candidate because of his family's party connections. And he then managed to alienate a whole new bunch of people with his comments after he was elected because in his view he didn't believe that people should have a vote on repealing the 8th simply "because he was pro-life".

henryporter

Palmach wrote: »

Good to see at least one party bucking the consensus.

Bit of a stretch to call them a party - might as well call a bunch of people down at the local pub a party at that rate of going. How many elected representatives at any level have they? They got handed the peoples opinion in the last GE and now they're just too embarrassed to quietly fade away....

Glenster

foglight wrote: »

I see that Renua has now declared itself a Pro Life party and will campaign to retain the 8th Amendment. All its candidates will be asked to sign up to this' Core Principle'. Interesting development and have to say I am surprised as I always thought they were pro Life.

Renua still exists?

Jayop

Palmach wrote: »

Good to see at least one party bucking the consensus.

Huh? Have FG came out as pro-choice all of a sudden?

MightyMandarin

henryporter wrote: »

Bit of a stretch to call them a party - might as well call a bunch of people down at the local pub a party at that rate of going. How many elected representatives at any level have they? They got handed the peoples opinion in the last GE and now they're just too embarrassed to quietly fade away....

Didn't they field a ridiculous amount of candidates aswell? At one stage it looked like any old joe could run under their banner.

keano_afc

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Didn't something similar happen with that guy Chambers from FF at the last election? I'm not in that constituency (AFAIK it's the same one Varadkar is in - Dublin West?), but I vaguely recall that he only came out as staunchly pro-life after the election and apparently he was very non-committal about it during campaigning.

If I was in that constituency I would have been very angry if I gave him a preference!

Of the candidates that replied to my mail, only one stated their own opinion. The rest gave non-committal scripted answers.

realitykeeper

foglight wrote: »

I see that Renua has now declared itself a Pro Life party and will campaign to retain the 8th Amendment. All its candidates will be asked to sign up to this' Core Principle'. Interesting development and have to say I am surprised as I always thought they were pro Life.

I am glad they have embraced this principle.

FreudianSlippers

Does anyone know whether they are advocating the absurd belief that "life begins at conception"?

Suryavarman

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Does anyone know whether they are advocating the absurd belief that "life begins at conception"?

Whether or not personhood begins at conception is of course up for argument but saying life begins at conception is hardly absurd.

FreudianSlippers

Suryavarman wrote: »

Whether or not personhood begins at conception is of course up for argument but saying life begins at conception is hardly absurd.

So you do or you don't know the answer to the question? I'm not really interested in discussing what I find to be absurd, nonsensical, illogical and ancient beliefs here. If one demands that this opinion of theirs is "up for argument" that's fine, but I also have the equally valid claim to be entitled to my opinion.