Fallen tree etiquette question

SmartinMartin

Hi folks, I've let a few acres to a neighbouring farmer and I'd appreciate your opinions. I noticed recently he harvested a fallen tree, which is something I assumed belonged to me, and which I usually cut for my own supply. What's the normal etiquette in this case?

melloa

next time a tree falls be the first to cut it up and take it away

Reggie.

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Hi folks, I've let a few acres to a neighbouring farmer and I'd appreciate your opinions. I noticed recently he harvested a fallen tree, which is something I assumed belonged to me, and which I usually cut for my own supply. What's the normal etiquette in this case?

I would have thought the tree would have belonged to you since you were the land owner

Nekarsulm

A proper lease will specify that the leaser shall "preserve all growing timber and other trees from injury and not hang gates on or drive nail or hook into or otherwise injure any such trees or timber"

Also Prohibited is "cutting, lopping, topping, cropping or felling of trees"

Even with a more casual letting agreement, it would be only manners to ask the land owner if he could have the fallen tree.

80sDiesel

Thank him for cutting up the tree for you and let him know when you will pop over to collect the firewood.

Keepgrowing

Bad manners on your tenants behalf. The timber is yours unless you agree otherwise. A fairly clear indication of the type of person you're dealing with.

I'd say nothing but remember this incident at renewal, life's too short to be fighting over timber

_Brian

Reason number 10,134,657 not to let the place and tip away at farming it.

SmartinMartin

Thanks folks, was thinking it was bad form alright. Time to dust off the chainsaw and see if he gets the hint.

Sam Kade

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Thanks folks, was thinking it was bad form alright. Time to dust off the chainsaw and see if he gets the hint.

He was a cheeky Fcuker to do it and you should remind him to teach him some manners.

Sam Kade

_Brian wrote: »

Reason number 10,134,657 not to let the place and tip away at farming it.

That's the reason I'm still farming too many horror stories about leasing.

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

That's the reason I'm still farming too many horror stories about leasing.

Ah Jezz, with this attitude will we ever get over the hurdle of fragmentation in Ireland, not everyone is like this, go vett your potential tenants reasonably well, lay out groundrules from day one, keep up regular communication, and that should all hugely reduce the risk of any problems.

davidk1394

How long was the tree down ?

melloa

davidk1394 wrote: »

How long was the tree down ?

op doesn't say how long,

##but the last storms we had in the tree-knocking range was mid february,

so i guess the tree was down 3-6 weeks

Keepgrowing

Sam Kade wrote: »

That's the reason I'm still farming too many horror stories about leasing.

Ah but Sam, I'm leasing land and wouldn't dream of treating a landlord with that disrespect, however if the tree was there months and not moved I'd chop into manageable lengths and move out of my way.

The land I'm leasing is treated exactly as I would my own. Ph is correct and soil index brought from 2 to high 3. It's fenced, hedges tended and any dykes are kept clean. It's about the tenant you have.

On the other hand only yesterday I refused to renew a lease on 75 acres based on the ball ache this landlord gave me over the last 5 years.

It works both ways.

davidk1394

melloa wrote: »

op doesn't say how long,

##but the last storms we had in the tree-knocking range was mid february,

so i guess the tree was down 3-6 weeks

So he had till then to cut it up. If i was renting ground and after 6 weeks the tree was still down I'd be going in with the saw

tellmeabit

We're you told that a tree had fallen? Had a lad next door to one field could the ditch and take a fine ashtree that had fallen into my field

Sam Kade

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Ah but Sam, I'm leasing land and wouldn't dream of treating a landlord with that disrespect, however if the tree was there months and not moved I'd chop into manageable lengths and move out of my way.

The land I'm leasing is treated exactly as I would my own. Ph is correct and soil index brought from 2 to high 3. It's fenced, hedges tended and any dykes are kept clean. It's about the tenant you have.

On the other hand only yesterday I refused to renew a lease on 75 acres based on the ball ache this landlord gave me over the last 5 years.

It works both ways.

I have experience of it from both sides from working with a farmer that had several farms leased, one man you'd never see the next fella would out the minute you'd arrive and watch you all day long. One woman that had part of her farm leased and grew silage for sale on the rest. She wanted the farmer to spread the fertilizer for her so I was sent on to do the job when I had finished spreading she managed to give a peep into the spreader in case I was taking any away with me

magicbastarder

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Thanks folks, was thinking it was bad form alright. Time to dust off the chainsaw and see if he gets the hint.

threatening him with a chainsaw is not the way to go about this.

joke, btw.

K.G.

One small question how long was the tree down.personally iwould nt dream of doing anything without talki ng to the land owner but it wouldnt be long annoying a fella driving around a fallen tree.

cj maxx

Sorry , where in the op did it say he was a tenant ? Tree with a neighbour fell . Decent thing is to join and cut it but its better to leave it to the op to suss the situation or give more info regarding the neighbor/ where the tree fell / relations with the neighbours???

melloa

cjmc wrote: »

Sorry , where in the op did it say he was a tenant ? Tree with a neighbour fell . Decent thing is to join and cut it but its better to leave it to the op to suss the situation or give more info regarding the neighbor/ where the tree fell / relations with the neighbours???

under the sycamore tree

melloa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwBGQb_5SRw

SmartinMartin

Not sycamore tree.

I'm sick of less tree.

cj maxx

melloa wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwBGQb_5SRw

I wish
I reread ( my mistake) the op and he let the ground out to a neighbour ( tenant) so call around with a trailer for the firewood

Jack the Stripper

Too much girl talk here really, if the tenant left the tree there for a few months the op would probably be complaining that the tenant wasn't doing his bit. Sometimes you just can't win.

SmartinMartin

There would never be a fallen tree on my land for any length of time.

Live65a846d0ee

Who cares about the goddamn tree, go cry me a river. Throw out your tenant because he cut up one tree out of billions of trees in the world. This is why I hate humans, the greed is out of this world.

SmartinMartin

Feck it, just realised it's 3am, not 2! Good night.

Jack the Stripper

Good night Martin.

Grueller

Live65a846d0ee wrote: »

Who cares about the goddamn tree, go cry me a river. Throw out your tenant because he cut up one tree out of billions of trees in the world. This is why I hate humans, the greed is out of this world.

If you hate humans so much interacting with them on a social media platform is a strange thing to do.
The greed is not on the part of the landlord here. Bottom line is that the tenant took something not belonging to him without asking. Some people call that stealing.

evolving_doors

SmartinMartin wrote: »

Hi folks, I've let a few acres to a neighbouring farmer and I'd appreciate your opinions. I noticed recently he harvested a fallen tree, which is something I assumed belonged to me, and which I usually cut for my own supply. What's the normal etiquette in this case?

Just to clarify... you 'usually' cut trees for your own supply.
Would you still go on to the let land and cut trees now?
If not, then maybe you could agree that he is acting just as you would on his 'temporary' land.

SmartinMartin

Yes I wood.

Reggie.

Gebgbegb wrote: »

Just to clarify... you 'usually' cut trees for your own supply.
Would you still go on to the let land and cut trees now?
If not, then maybe you could agree that he is acting just as you would on his 'temporary' land.

But even if he rents the land he doesn't own it. The tree wasn't his to take unless he got permission off the landowner which it seems he did not.

the_pen_turner

this is a tricky one. if the tenant has to cut and pay to maintain the trees and hedges then i think any tree that falls is the tenants .
if he went out and cut a standing tree then thats wrong