Beef Data Scheme Query

Mac Taylor

I am signed up for 18 cows for the above, this year we are calving 22. 2 of them marked for culling have calved and I was planning on selling the calves at 4/5 weeks, drying off the cows and fattening them for the factory. The reason I am not selling as is in the mart is that one is pure and simple dangerous and in good conscience I would not let her into another persons yard, the second is a very nervous animal and because of that will try to take you out rather than be handled or moved. Both were manageable as heifers when originally let up but are getting progressively worst and life is too short for this crap.

My issue is can I sell the calves. I am planning on ringing DAFM in the morning to see either way if I can get an exception.

Long winded story for a short question!!:D

Grueller

Mac Taylor wrote: »

I am signed up for 18 cows for the above, this year we are calving 22. 2 of them marked for culling have calved and I was planning on selling the calves at 4/5 weeks, drying off the cows and fattening them for the factory. The reason I am not selling as is in the mart is that one is pure and simple dangerous and in good conscience I would not let her into another persons yard, the second is a very nervous animal and because of that will try to take you out rather than be handled or moved. Both were manageable as heifers when originally let up but are getting progressively worst and life is too short for this crap.

My issue is can I sell the calves. I am planning on ringing DAFM in the morning to see either way if I can get an exception.

Long winded story for a short question!!:D

Sell away. You are signed up for 18 so only need 13 calved to qualify for payment. You will have twenty calves kept.

Hurling Hereford

Mac Taylor wrote: »

I am signed up for 18 cows for the above, this year we are calving 22. 2 of them marked for culling have calved and I was planning on selling the calves at 4/5 weeks, drying off the cows and fattening them for the factory. The reason I am not selling as is in the mart is that one is pure and simple dangerous and in good conscience I would not let her into another persons yard, the second is a very nervous animal and because of that will try to take you out rather than be handled or moved. Both were manageable as heifers when originally let up but are getting progressively worst and life is too short for this crap.

My issue is can I sell the calves. I am planning on ringing DAFM in the morning to see either way if I can get an exception.

Long winded story for a short question!!:D

Once again, as per the Terms & Conditions of the Beef Data & Genomics Programme 2015 – 2020

'Furthermore, in order to ensure the validity of some of the data recorded, calves must be maintained on the holding for at least 5 months'

Mac Taylor

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Once again, as per the Terms & Conditions of the Beef Data & Genomics Programme 2015 – 2020

'Furthermore, in order to ensure the validity of some of the data recorded, calves must be maintained on the holding for at least 5 months'

Understand that, but what is not clear from the t&c is that related to the 18 I signed up or everything I calve?
Didn't get a chance to ring them today

Farrell

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Once again, as per the Terms & Conditions of the Beef Data & Genomics Programme 2015 – 2020

'Furthermore, in order to ensure the validity of some of the data recorded, calves must be maintained on the holding for at least 5 months'

Sure you can sell the cows & put the calves on a black & white

croot

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Understand that, but what is not clear from the t&c is that related to the 18 I signed up or everything I calve?
Didn't get a chance to ring them today

Its bullsh1t but I think Hurling Hereford might be right. I looked this up before and it seems any calf born on your holding has to be kept for the 5 months even though you may have loads more than your reference number. I didn't ring the dept though.

From the helpsheet:



What are the requirements for this Commitment?
Register all calves born within 27 days of birth, using the Animal Events book or register online. Sire and calving details are also required.

What is the minimum age at which a calf can be sold?
Calves must be held and maintained on the holding for at least 5 months.

What data must be collected for 2015 born animals,?
All calves born from 1/1/15 in herds that are approved to join the programme must have been registered using the Animal Events book. If you have already registered animals on a white card, ICBF will request the additional data not included on the white card.

Will I be paid in a situation where the calf dies shortly after birth?
Yes – once the calf is born into your herd on or after 01.01.15 and is tagged, sampled for BVD and registered in accordance with the Regulations, and removed to a knackery, abattoir or factory.

If the cow’s original calf dies, can the participant buy another calf to replace the dead calf?
Yes, it will be permitted to do this. However the original calf must have been tagged and registered in accordance with AIM rules and tested for BVD.

Will I be paid extra for twins?
No. Payment is made on the basis of the number of calved cows in 2014 and forage land declared on the SPS application in 2014. Both calves must be registered in accordance with the programme requirements and will also be subject to the annual survey requirement.

If a cow has twins can I sell one of those calves?
Calves must be held and maintained on the holding for at least 5 months.

Hurling Hereford

Mac Taylor wrote: »

Understand that, but what is not clear from the t&c is that related to the 18 I signed up or everything I calve?
Didn't get a chance to ring them today

It is every beef calf that is born in a given calendar year.

Hurling Hereford

croot wrote: »

Its bullsh1t but I think Hurling Hereford might be right. I looked this up before and it seems any calf born on your holding has to be kept for the 5 months even though you may have loads more than your reference number. I didn't ring the dept though.

From the helpsheet:



What are the requirements for this Commitment?
Register all calves born within 27 days of birth, using the Animal Events book or register online. Sire and calving details are also required.

What is the minimum age at which a calf can be sold?
Calves must be held and maintained on the holding for at least 5 months.

What data must be collected for 2015 born animals,?
All calves born from 1/1/15 in herds that are approved to join the programme must have been registered using the Animal Events book. If you have already registered animals on a white card, ICBF will request the additional data not included on the white card.

Will I be paid in a situation where the calf dies shortly after birth?
Yes – once the calf is born into your herd on or after 01.01.15 and is tagged, sampled for BVD and registered in accordance with the Regulations, and removed to a knackery, abattoir or factory.

If the cow’s original calf dies, can the participant buy another calf to replace the dead calf?
Yes, it will be permitted to do this. However the original calf must have been tagged and registered in accordance with AIM rules and tested for BVD.

Will I be paid extra for twins?
No. Payment is made on the basis of the number of calved cows in 2014 and forage land declared on the SPS application in 2014. Both calves must be registered in accordance with the programme requirements and will also be subject to the annual survey requirement.

If a cow has twins can I sell one of those calves?
Calves must be held and maintained on the holding for at least 5 months.

Ladies n gents, I phoned the Beef Schemes Section in Portlaois on umpteen occasions to clarify the Terms & Conditions. Eventually got talking to a part-timer like myself who works in the section, spelt things out in 'lay man's English'. Good man to know

tanko

Hurling Hereford wrote: »

Ladies n gents, I phoned the Beef Schemes Section in Portlaois on umpteen occasions to clarify the Terms & Conditions. Eventually got talking to a part-timer like myself who works in the section, spelt things out in 'lay man's English'. Good man to know

That's great, so can you sell a calf or not without a penalty or does it depend on how many calves you have compared to your reference number?

Hurling Hereford

tanko wrote: »

That's great, so can you sell a calf or not without a penalty or does it depend on how many calves you have compared to your reference number?

No you can not, sell calf, receive penalty!

50HX

a bit off topic but do you get paid in the BDGP if a calf dies??

Hurling Hereford

50HX wrote: »

a bit off topic but do you get paid in the BDGP if a calf dies??

Yes, once the calf is registered as dead

High bike

tanko wrote: »

That's great, so can you sell a calf or not without a penalty or does it depend on how many calves you have compared to your reference number?

sold 2 cows with calves last year and got paid no prob,my reading of it is so long as you have enough to cover reference numbers your ok

Farmer Dan

If you tagged yearling heifers in the last few weeks as requested for the scheme, can you sell them now or do you need to hold them for a certain period of time?

tanko

Farmer Dan wrote: »

If you tagged yearling heifers in the last few weeks as requested for the scheme, can you sell them now or do you need to hold them for a certain period of time?

Once you've tagged them i'm fairly sure you can sell them straight away if you want. As long as you have enough 4/5 star genotyped heifers over sixteen months old and cows in Oct 2018 and Oct 2020 you'll be grand.