Are McGs/Halpenny ripping us off?

Tom.D.BJJ

Comparing the Callaway Sub Zero i can see McG/Halpenny have a price of €549. Jamgolf in the UK has £429 (€493 at 1.15 fx rate) similar to most Uk retailers.

Both Halpenny and McGs seem to price very similarly for most products. I dont know whether this is based on the import price plus a markup, or some form of price fixing for their captive market.

Raisins

The Garmin S4 is €339.00 in McGuirks.

It's €184.00 in American Golf but they'll match the sterling price and sell it for €155.

I hadn't opened the gps so I got a refund and went to American Golf and saved €190.

McGuirks know this and it's still priced on the web at €339.00 they're complete and utter bandits.

Johnny_Fontane

thats really harsh lads. Mcguirks/Halpennys will always do a deal with you in the shop, take back your old irons for a discount, any problems at all, you can go back to them and their prices are very competitive.

Sure, you will find some products more expensive there than online or even other shops, but this is the same in any sector.

But, they both offer great value for a B&M store and the service generally is excellent.

Dbu

More than likely with the Garmin, there was an offer from the supplier on these at some recent stage like a 2 for 1 offer. Some shops with cash will hoover these up and can offer a large discount.
Wouldn't ever call either stores a ripoff, even though I find McGuirks in Cork hard work when looking for a deal

golfguy1

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

Comparing the Callaway Sub Zero i can see McG/Halpenny have a price of €549. Jamgolf in the UK has £429 (€493 at 1.15 fx rate) similar to most Uk retailers.

Both Halpenny and McGs seem to price very similarly for most products. I dont know whether this is based on the import price plus a markup, or some form of price fixing for their captive market.

Do jam golf offer any trade in s or is it straight buy.

Mcguirks/halpenny and all on street stores will also allow trade in against their prices. If u don't want to trade I'm sure any store will discount from full price for u.
I bought the sub zero for 480 in ireland no trade would have been 400 with trade of my own driver.

Tom.D.BJJ

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

But, they both offer great value for a B&M store and the service generally is excellent.

I dont think they offer great value, hence the thread.

In terms of service, i've had some good and some bad with them both. Generally good

Tom.D.BJJ

golfguy1 wrote: »

Do jam golf offer any trade in s or is it straight buy..

You would need to ask them, they do have a used section. I was only using them as a price comparision btw

golfguy1

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

I dont think they offer great value, hence the thread.

In terms of service, i've had some good and some bad with them both. Generally good

This good value argument always pops up. Just what would be regarded as good value to most people?
Because from what I see in most stores in ireland golf is very competitively priced?
Very low profit margins on most golf product so can't see any rip offs anymore

golfguy1

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

You would need to ask them, they do have a used section. I was only using them as a price comparision btw

Not really a price comparison though if one price is no trade and the other allows trade ins

Raisins

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

thats really harsh lads. Mcguirks/Halpennys will always do a deal with you in the shop, take back your old irons for a discount, any problems at all, you can go back to them and their prices are very competitive.

Sure, you will find some products more expensive there than online or even other shops, but this is the same in any sector.

But, they both offer great value for a B&M store and the service generally is excellent.

How is it harsh? We're not talking about €50/60 or even €100. There's a €190 difference.

The price match only reinforces the point. They have that price out there so that someone who is not in the know, like an older person, will go in and pay €340. I can get them to drop the price by almost €200 at the drop of a hat. That's gouging.

I don't buy the speculation that American Golf got the product at half price although that can't be proved or disproved. One thing is for sure if they take €150 or €200 off straight away either they're happy not to make any fuss about making a loss on the product or on the alternative their original margin on €340 is enormous.

fred funk }{

I don't get this stuff. It's a free market and they can try sell their gear for whatever price they want. If you don't want to pay it then you're free to go elsewhere.

Bogger77

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

Comparing the Callaway Sub Zero i can see McG/Halpenny have a price of €549. Jamgolf in the UK has £429 (€493 at 1.15 fx rate) similar to most Uk retailers.

Both Halpenny and McGs seem to price very similarly for most products. I dont know whether this is based on the import price plus a markup, or some form of price fixing for their captive market.

removing VAT from the prices, there's about 28 euro difference between the UK and Irish stores, going by your euro price of 493

Not a massive difference, just a tad over 6% difference

Tom.D.BJJ

Bogger77 wrote: »

removing VAT from the prices, there's about 28 euro difference between the UK and Irish stores, going by your euro price of 493

Not a massive difference, just a tad over 6% difference

What VAT rates are you using? IE is 23% vs UK 20%

Bogger77

and those are the rates I used.
446e in Ireland, 410e in the UK, based on your exchange rate.

my formula was slightly off, it's actually 10%, again, not a massive difference

but since jamGolf is based outa Channel Islands, I guess it's VAT rate is Zero, in that case, it's 446e for Ireland and 493e for pre VAT prices
and you as a purchaser are liable for vat, as they're zero rated for UK, not EU. http://www.revenue.ie/en/customs/leaflets/pn1882.html#section5

in that case, your gold clubs, legally should cost 606 euro, if ordered from JamGolf.

in any case, you're not comparing apples with apples.

Tom.D.BJJ

Bogger77 wrote: »

and those are the rates I used.
446e in Ireland, 410e in the UK, based on your exchange rate.

my formula was slightly off, it's actually 10%, again, not a massive difference

6% to 10% is a big difference in most lines of work. By your own calculations, do you think a 10% differential between UK and Irish sellers is appropriate?

Also, i'm only using Jamgolf as a means for comparison, but i do mention the price is 429 on other UK shops like Scottsdale, etc. Very much apples to apples

Raisins

fred funk }{ wrote: »

I don't get this stuff. It's a free market and they can try sell their gear for whatever price they want. If you don't want to pay it then you're free to go elsewhere.

That's true. I'm not moralising about the market. The only point I'm making is that that they overprice a load of stuff to ultimately give people deals are take advantage of people who don't know what they're doing. It's like going to a market in Spain sometimes.

Golfstyle in Galway are worse for that model.

They try to get as high a price as they can for second hand or older model products and they're entitled to do that. That means that if my dad went in to buy a driver and it was clear he's not familiar with the value of clubs on the second hand market they'll take advantage as far as they can. They'd try to get €150 for a Ping G5 if they could get away with it. If you went in and picked it up and asked them for a deal they'll give it to you for €30. That's the way it is.

Bogger77

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

6% to 10% is a big difference in most lines of work. By your own calculations, do you think a 10% differential between UK and Irish sellers is appropriate?

Also, i'm only using Jamgolf as a means for comparison, but i do mention the price is 429 on other UK shops like Scottsdale, etc. Very much apples to apples

well, if you're going to complain about prices, then jamgold seem to be over charging compared to UK shops by 20%.

a price difference of 10%, between a virtual store, and a real store, isn't a big difference, when picking a single product.
add in delivery costs,
risk of damage in transit,
and the convenience trying before buying, and then of walking out of real store with your purchase, is worth a certain premium.

Rip Off, it is not.

it's typical, something is dearer in company X, than company Y.
Company Y is bigger, lower VAT, lower rates, buys in more bulk.

a RIP OFF, is where Company X is buying stuff like mulipack products, and selling them as singles for full price.

Where a company is listing a product's price, in full, on it's website, and doesn't charge more than that, and doesn't have a monopoly, then it's not a rip off.

please be careful getting off that high horse.

Tom.D.BJJ

Bogger77 wrote: »

well, if you're going to complain about prices, then jamgold seem to be over charging compared to UK shops by 20%.

a price difference of 10%, between a virtual store, and a real store, isn't a big difference, when picking a single product.
add in delivery costs,
risk of damage in transit,
and the convenience trying before buying, and then of walking out of real store with your purchase, is worth a certain premium.

Rip Off, it is not.

it's typical, something is dearer in company X, than company Y.
Company Y is bigger, lower VAT, lower rates, buys in more bulk.

a RIP OFF, is where Company X is buying stuff like mulipack products, and selling them as singles for full price.

Where a company is listing a product's price, in full, on it's website, and doesn't charge more than that, and doesn't have a monopoly, then it's not a rip off.

please be careful getting off that high horse.

Thanks for missing the point (the irish market). Is there a reason for your obfuscation?

stockdam

Why stop at golf gear.......I live in N.I. and lots of ROI prices are more expensive.

Maybe some of it can be explained by the fact that the UK market is much bigger than the ROI market. That generally means that the sales volume is bigger and hence they can buy more stock (thus getting better prices) and they can reduce their margins a bit. Also maybe more competition which again tends to lower prices.

However prices in ROI are generally higher for most things........food, houses, clothes etc.

BigChap1759

Tom.D.BJJ wrote: »

6% to 10% is a big difference in most lines of work. By your own calculations, do you think a 10% differential between UK and Irish sellers is appropriate?

Also, i'm only using Jamgolf as a means for comparison, but i do mention the price is 429 on other UK shops like Scottsdale, etc. Very much apples to apples

Ireland is a rip off in general compared to the UK - same for almost all retail goods

Dtoffee

BigChap1759 wrote: »

Ireland is a rip off in general compared to the UK - same for almost all retail goods

of course Ireland is a rip off and why not, the Irish people keep paying the price. The only time prices drop is when the demand drops, but lets face it ..... there's an element here that HAVE to have the latest gear and that is thanks to clever marketing.

If that driver you bought last year was so unbelievably good, why are you trading it in for a pittance this year ? snake oil sells :eek:

Stop blaming companies for high prices, when they are obviously hitting their sales targets thanks to far too many of the Irish being willing spenders.