Mk.2 Nissan Leaf officially confirmed for launch in September

cros13

Official confirmation from Nissan that the new Leaf will launch globally in September with deliveries starting this year.

US leaseholders are getting three free months and priority in the queue if they put their name down now.



Will probably be Ireland's first ~350km real world range EV....

isnottheword

Has spec been released yet?

cros13

isnottheword wrote: »

Has spec been released yet?

No but we have multiple official statements from Nissan on the release date, shipping dates and an EPA range in excess of 330km.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

No but we have multiple official statements from Nissan on the release date, shipping dates and an EPA range in excess of 330km.

What would that suggest... 48kWh battery assuming a more efficient leaf?

unkel

EPA of 330 is excellent. Any pics yet? Pricing here will be very interesting. Even with the better battery, the base cash price will have to be well under €30k (after subsidies) for it to work here

slave1

Great news, my plan is to keep our Leaf until this new one hits the 18month mark in the used market then move up

isnottheword

KCross wrote: »

What would that suggest... 48kWh battery assuming a more efficient leaf?

If they could up the efficiency (ref. Hyundai getting much, much more out of a modest enough sized battery) and increase the battery size in combo, that could put them back in the driving seat re. a killer offering once again....

KCross

unkel wrote: »

EPA of 330 is excellent. Any pics yet? Pricing here will be very interesting. Even with the better battery, the base cash price will have to be well under €30k (after subsidies) for it to work here

My crystal ball says they will provide maybe 3 battery sizes and the 330km version will be well above €30k based on how they have done pricing to date.

Same for the longer range Ioniq. The alternative is killing residuals for current buyers.

cros13

I've been told by people at Nissan to expect a higher OTR price as well.

KCross wrote: »

What would that suggest... 48kWh battery assuming a more efficient leaf?

Somewhere around that, 45kWh to 50 kWh.

unkel

KCross wrote: »

The alternative is killing residuals for current buyers.

Nissan / Hyundai couldn't care less about that and so they shouldn't. It's in all our interest if things keep moving on. Sure some of us current buyers or past buyers will suffer, so be it. We all knew that was coming when we bought.

Our suffering is nothing compared to those who bought diesels though should they get banned at relatively short notice

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Nissan / Hyundai couldn't care less about that and so they shouldn't. It's in all our interest if things keep moving on. Sure some of us current buyers or past buyers will suffer, so be it. We all knew that was coming when we bought.

Our suffering is nothing compared to those who bought diesels though should they get banned at relatively short notice

Couldnt care less are strong words! Bad residuals are bad for any manufacturer. It's a matter of how much or how little they care. Max profit is what they care about and that's a balancing act.

Is it your expectation that the longer range Ioniq will be the same price as the current one? I'll bet ya it won't be.

Shefwedfan

Is there any sort of picture for this? Or will it be more or less same as current Leaf looks wise?

Mancomb Seepgood

My PCP is up in 12 months,but I suspect this may be too priced too high for me...time will tell. Wouldn't mind seeing how it looked,and I assume that Nissan are sticking with Chademo for now?

KCross

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

My PCP is up in 12 months,but I suspect this may be too priced too high for me...time will tell. Wouldn't mind seeing how it looked,and I assume that Nissan are sticking with Chademo for now?

I'd say any new EV's will be CCS.

We won't see the look of it till Sep. Hard to know if the current leaked pics are of the new Leaf or just a mule.

unkel

KCross wrote: »

Is it your expectation that the longer range Ioniq will be the same price as the current one? I'll bet ya it won't be.

Of course not. But current Leaf can be had from well under €20k. New one in 2018 can not be over €30k or not much. Neither can a new Ioniq in 2018/2019. Or surely they won't work.

We don't know the specs of the Leaf yet (or the looks ) but the Tesla Model 3 will probably be a huge step up in the market position compared to the Leaf or Ioniq - it won't be out that much later - 2019 here? And it will be around €39k

slave1

I want photos, I want specs....

cros13

More info as it hits the EV news sites:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107590_nissan-leaf-leases-can-extend-until-all-new-2018-electric-car-late-this-year-breaking

Shefwedfan

cros13 wrote: »

More info as it hits the EV news sites:

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1107590_nissan-leaf-leases-can-extend-until-all-new-2018-electric-car-late-this-year-breaking

Based on the spy shots its looks very similar to the current Leaf. Don't see them doing any major overhaul.....

steelboots

Agree with unkel, they will have to be < €30 if there is to be inroads made in the EV market share. I would say they will have to be about the same price as their ICE equivalents given the government don't seem to be pushing. 
Norway have reported EVs account for 50% sales, and I would have thought Ireland is as suited if not more suited to EVs particularly from a climate point of view.

unkel

The funny thing is that the government is helping financially big style (€10k subsidy on new EV, free home charge point, free electricity at public charging point), but they don't seem to be pushing the agenda?

A few ads on the tele, scrapping the already tiny €120 motor tax and making a big deal out of it might make a difference? Obviously combined with threatening statements that diesels will be banned in the near future, excise on diesel will go up sharply and motor tax on diesels will go to 3 times that of the equivalent petrol, etc. etc.

NIMAN

Irish people are obsessed with road tax.
Give them a car thats tax free, and sales will go up. Guaranteed.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Of course not. But current Leaf can be had from well under €20k. New one in 2018 can not be over €30k or not much. Neither can a new Ioniq in 2018/2019. Or surely they won't work.

We don't know the specs of the Leaf yet (or the looks ) but the Tesla Model 3 will probably be a huge step up in the market position compared to the Leaf or Ioniq - it won't be out that much later - 2019 here? And it will be around €39k

Consulted with the crystal ball again.... 24kWh battery is as good as gone. The 30kWh will be the entry model for Leaf II and it will have much the same pricing structure as the current 24kWh (probably a grand or two more). So entry level Leaf II XE with 30kWh battery for €24k ish(after grant, before scrappage). Like the current XE, that wont be a popular choice.

Then they will provide a 40kWh (same battery as currently in the Zeo40 maybe) for "a few grand more" and then the flagship 330km version with a 48kWh battery which will be well beyond €30k particularly if you add the ProPilot stuff which they have said will be in Leaf II.

So you'll get your <€30k Leaf II but it wont be, I think, the 330km version.

slave1

Range extension is good, it will get more onboard.
Given the poor weather earlier in the week my range was 185kms at full charge.

This morning after a mild day's driving yesterday with hardly any need for heater and air con it was at 204kms at 98% charge.
30kWh Leaf.

slave1

That posts adds nothing to the discussion, elaborate, plenty of EV that more than satisfy consumer needs at present.
All cars can improve, EV no different

Calahonda52

TypicalSpanish wrote: »

A washing machine is more interesting tbh. Electric cars still need a lot more development.

Not limited to electric cars, judging by this post and your two other posts thus far in the Donald is Great thread.

Soarer

"That car, according to Nissan sources, will go on sale before the end of the year. It is expected to have similar design elements to the 2015 Nissan Sway concept car. "

Yes please!

NIMAN

Now that's a nice looking car.

slave1

Jazuz, what's the story with those wing mirrors

Soarer

slave1 wrote: »

Jazuz, what's the story with those wing mirrors

I'm assuming they're rear facing cameras.

unkel

Much better

And the hidden rear door handles from the Alfa 156. Best design trick from the 20th century imho!

Most hatchbacks look bad with 5 doors, but good with 3 doors...

josip

The front reminds me of Lego Ninjago or something.
Big improvement on the current appearance.

air

Yep, Valeo and others have been working on these for years. Old style actual mirrors are on the way out, too big a hit on the drag front.

KCross

Soarer wrote: »

I'm assuming they're rear facing cameras.

air wrote: »

Yep, Valeo and others have been working on these for years. Old style actual mirrors are on the way out, too big a hit on the drag front.

Are they in production on other cars?

In theory sounds good as they are sleek like you said but what about the cameras getting dirty and wet? A single drop of water could render the view useless.

At least with a big wing mirror the whole thing isnt going to be distorted and unusable by one drop of water and you have heated mirrors to clear them.

Rear facing cameras are great but I find I have to clear them too much for my liking during the winter and even when I clear them at the start of the journey I find that when I get to the end and I need to park they are dirty again so I have to resort to normal mirrors again.... just a pain!

bk

I remember reading previously that such wind "mirrors" are completely illegal per regulations in many countries. So they never make it beyond the concept cars. Don't expect this in the Leaf 2.

air

Certainly I'd imagine there are challenges involved in their deployment and the legalities are one of the biggest hurdles.
Dirt could be easily mitigated with multiple lenses and/or a micro wiper or sprayer of some sort I'd imagine.
Doubt they'll be on the Leaf 2 either though.

DrPhilG

Perfect timing for me.

I've had my 141 Leaf for almost 2 years now and my plan has always been to change in early 2019 for a second hand car with 200 miles range.

I've been waiting to see if an extended range Ioniq would appear as hinted, but the Tesla was always likely to be too pricey even with the cheaper model. Even if the new Leaf has a similar price to the Tesla I would suspect that there will be better value in the second hand market with the Leaf as the Tesla has such high demand. By the sound of things there could still be people waiting for their pre-order in early 2019 never mind cars hitting the second hand market!

If this launches in late 2017 then I'll be well placed to pick up a 12-18 month old Leaf II in early/mid 2019.

I'm still putting aside all the money I save on fuel into a savings account so by the time I'm ready to buy I'll have the value of (by then) a 5 year old 24kwh Leaf with 60k miles, plus about €8k in cash ready to spend on the upgrade.

I'm sure that Leaf value won't be too hot in fairness, especially with a longer range model on the market, but combined with the €8k savings I shouldn't have to shell out too much extra.

KCross

Personally, I dont think it would be a good idea to be looking at a screen showing the mirror view. Moving your head left-right to view the mirrors is easier and safer than downwards to see a camera screen where you'd have to take your eyes off the road.... unless they built it into the windscreen or something futuristic like that.

Soarer

KCross wrote: »

Personally, I dont think it would be a good idea to be looking at a screen showing the mirror view. Moving your head left-right to view the mirrors is easier and safer than downwards to see a camera screen where you'd have to take your eyes off the road.... unless they built it into the windscreen or something futuristic like that.

I'm assuming the dash will be some sort of LED display, so I'd imagine having the mirrors feeding to display in the top corners of that wouldn't be a stretch.

Also I'd imagine camera would reduce/eliminate blind spots.

Sabre Man

The side mirrors/cameras can be integrated into the rear view mirror.

kirving

On the mirrors, there are million things you can do with them. Main point is of course drag, as mirror can count for a few percent which is important in electric cars. And in all cars really.

I would think that for the time being the mirrors will feed screens on the inside of the doors as this is more similar to what we're used to.

Dust and dirt detection already exists in high end rear view cameras. Here though they would have to be automatically cleaned.

Auto dimming screen of course.
Wider angle than a standard mirror.
Blindspot warning system, although it would be a smaller blindsspot if at all.
The video would have to be certified as failsafe, so it would be designed never to lag or pause without warning or shutting down.

Legislation is probably lacking in this area, but the same is true for the likes of Tesla Autopilot and Mercedes Intelligent Drive and they're forging ahead regardless. The legislation will soon followed, as the safety level of such equipment are already definined, and they will have to be independently verified as surpassing those standards.

isnottheword

Kevin Irving wrote: »

On the mirrors, there are million things you can do with them. Main point is of course drag, as mirror can count for a few percent which is important in electric cars. And in all cars really.

So are you saying that if I press the mirror fold button on my current leaf when driving N roads over almost the complete range available, I'll notice a % efficiency increase? Might carry out that experiment on Tuesday night.

Dardania

Deedsie wrote: »

isnottheword wrote: »

So are you saying that if I press the mirror fold button on my current leaf when driving N roads over almost the complete range available, I'll notice a % efficiency increase? Might carry out that experiment on Tuesday night.

As another road user, please don't.

It'll be grand - they'll fold them back out if they see anyone behind / beside them!

goz83

isnottheword wrote: »

So are you saying that if I press the mirror fold button on my current leaf when driving N roads over almost the complete range available, I'll notice a % efficiency increase? Might carry out that experiment on Tuesday night.

Would probalbly be less aero dynamic folded in due to the shape. You'd have to remove the mirrors. I'll be sure to stay off the roads that day.