Any doctor ever quit a training scheme here?

newwan

Anyone ever quit a BST or SPR scheme ? How much notice has to be given? Or any other issues?
Thanks

2Scoops

Notice is whatever applies to any job, a couple of weeks depending on how long you've been working. The schemes are grand about taking notice, and they might even offer a come-back-in-1-year clause in case things don't work out.

newwan

2Scoops wrote: »

Notice is whatever applies to any job, a couple of weeks depending on how long you've been working. The schemes are grand about taking notice, and they might even offer a come-back-in-1-year clause in case things don't work out.

It doesn't say anything about notice in my contract so how do I know what notice applies? Who do I have to give notice to? My college obviously but want to make sure so I don't piss ppl off too much

2Scoops

You can give notice to HR in the hospital you're in if you're leaving before the contract is up, otherwise just tell admin in the training body so you don't get issued a new contract.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/starting_work_and_changing_job/changing_job/giving_notice.html

Dingle_berry

It happens more than you would expect.
Usual notice is at least one pay period or a month, whichever is longest.
Contact HR of where you currently are to find out what the procedure is and what your options are

laserlad2010

If you consult the relevant Curriculum, found on the RCPI/RCSI websites, you'll find chapters dealing with leaving the scheme.

Usually one months notice will suffice.

newwan

laserlad2010 wrote: »

If you consult the relevant Curriculum, found on the RCPI/RCSI websites, you'll find chapters dealing with leaving the scheme.

Usually one months notice will suffice.

I'm not in either training scheme. My current contract is only 6 months so why would it be a months notice? My current contract says nil about it so I think it might be only 1 week


I don't want to tell anyone yet (and hence dont want to ask anyone in any Dept) because to be honest the HSE is the most corrupt organization that has treated me and my friends like dogs for so long that I wouldn't give them the time of day

take everything

2 weeks is enough.
A month for courtesy (if you don't want to leave on bad terms).

I left mine after being badly treated. Morons didn't have a clue (someone mentioned having to give 2 months notice when I was thinking of leaving). Went on sick leave and it turns out it was nothing of the sort. Two weeks.
As you say, the HSE is a monumentally fcuked up organisation. I've seen every sort of rubbish and couldn't deal with it any more.

Killergreene

Which scheme did you pack in.
The medical and surgical ones are a complete farce. Even at spr level.
Gp is the only scheme that is well organised and reasonable. Psych isn't too bad.
The main problem is there is literally zero training and having to regularly work 36 hours (still exists where I am) is frankly criminal and inhumane

laserlad2010

newwan wrote: »

I'm not in either training scheme. My current contract is only 6 months so why would it be a months notice? My current contract says nil about it so I think it might be only 1 week


I don't want to tell anyone yet (and hence dont want to ask anyone in any Dept) because to be honest the HSE is the most corrupt organization that has treated me and my friends like dogs for so long that I wouldn't give them the time of day

Why would you ask if anyone has ever quit the BST or HST if you're in neither? I answered the question that you asked.

I can assure you that it is one month's written notice for any medical job whether "stand alone" as you seem to be describing or otherwise.

You seem to have made your mind up here, I would just advise you that simply not showing up for work one day will harm your chances of a good reference like any job, and will leave your colleagues in the sh*t until they can find a replacement.

Arbie

laserlad2010 wrote: »

Why would you ask if anyone has ever quit the BST or HST if you're in neither? I answered the question that you asked.

I can assure you that it is one month's written notice for any medical job whether "stand alone" as you seem to be describing or otherwise.

You seem to have made your mind up here, I would just advise you that simply not showing up for work one day will harm your chances of a good reference like any job, and will leave your colleagues in the sh*t until they can find a replacement.

laserlad2010, you mentioned RCPI and RCSI, so I suspect OP meant they are not in either of those schemes - could be CAI/ICGP/ICO/CPI.

OP, laserlad2010 is 100% right about notice. I have twice been in rotations where colleagues left with no notice and it was awful. I understand that the HSE, the colleges, and often the consultants don't seem to care, but quitting with no notice doesn't punish them, it just makes life harder for the other NCHDs and potentially damages your reputation and chances of getting a good reference.

Even if you are determined to leave, there is a lot to be said for writing an official letter of complaint to your training body and discussing issues with the IMO. There is also a National Lead NCHD who is supportive and proactive. You may have already gone down those routes but if not you really should so that the problems are officially noted and there is some chance they will be addressed.

laserlad2010

Arbie wrote: »

laserlad2010, you mentioned RCPI and RCSI, so I suspect OP meant they are not in either of those schemes - could be CAI/ICGP/ICO/CPI.

True but those were the two I picked out of my head :P my advice about the curriculae still stands! Again, not ICGP because they specifically said BST/HST. It's semantics but criticizing the advice given is not a good reflection on someone.

I also have to challenge the "most corrupt" comment as being more than slightly hyperbolic.

There should additionally be clinical leads and lead NCHDs in most if not all hospitals. OP there are plenty of avenues available for NCHDs to raise grievances.

I attended a talk by Dr. Paddy Barrett recently and he has some interesting things to say about resilience.

He suggests that if you hate being awake at 3am then you need resilience or you need a different job. However if you hate being awake at 3am because it's as part of a 36 hour shift then resilience will only help somewhat, the system needs to change. He recommends mindfulness and resilience exercises to help protect NCHDs from burnout.

take everything

laserlad2010 wrote: »

True but those were the two I picked out of my head :P my advice about the curriculae still stands! Again, not ICGP because they specifically said BST/HST. It's semantics but criticizing the advice given is not a good reflection on someone.

I also have to challenge the "most corrupt" comment as being more than slightly hyperbolic.

There should additionally be clinical leads and lead NCHDs in most if not all hospitals. OP there are plenty of avenues available for NCHDs to raise grievances.

I attended a talk by Dr. Paddy Barrett recently and he has some interesting things to say about resilience.

He suggests that if you hate being awake at 3am then you need resilience or you need a different job. However if you hate being awake at 3am because it's as part of a 36 hour shift then resilience will only help somewhat, the system needs to change. He recommends mindfulness and resilience exercises to help protect NCHDs from burnout.

I've worked for years in the system. Finished with it now but looking back I can't for the life of me think what I gained from working a 36 hr shift. Or even a 24 hr shift. It's retarded (i hate that word but it really does fit here- emotionally and intellectually) as far as I was always concerned. If you approach it in the most hardheaded, logical way, this is a reasonable conclusion. The only reason something like that persists is that the people who do it put up with it. Question then is why do they put up with it.

I don't think the underlying reasons for the above are unrelated to the chaos of our medical system.

laserlad2010

take everything wrote: »

I've worked for years in the system. Finished with it now but looking back I can't for the life of me think what I gained from working a 36 hr shift. Or even a 24 hr shift. It's retarded (i hate that word but it really does fit here- emotionally and intellectually) as far as I was always concerned. If you approach it in the most hardheaded, logical way, this is a reasonable conclusion. The only reason something like that persists is that the people who do it put up with it. Question then is why do they put up with it.

I don't think the underlying reasons for the above are unrelated to the chaos of our medical system.

Sorry, I probably wasn't being clear. I meant that if you hate being awake even when its as part of a night shift, 12 hours or whatever, then you should pick a different job.

I don't agree with 36 hour shifts, and 24 hour shifts (I did two -one on Patricks day and one yesterday) aren't my cup of tea. I do hold the unpopular opinion that EWTD is adversely affecting my training - hiring more doctors means less procedures to go around for one thing. I have done 100 hour weeks and wouldn't go back ever, but rigidly sticking to 48 hour weeks isn't great either.

Killergreene

A few specialties in my hospital do 24 hour on Friday and again on Sunday. It's honestly one of the most soul crushing experiences of my life. It sure which is worse, that or the 36 hour run through. Either way it's absolutely inhumane and there has been more than a handful of times when I haven't been paid for that rostered overtime. Brutal. Gp is the way to go to escape.

newwan

What's going on here now?
Who ever said anything about just not showing up one day? Some one here just made that up and then got upset with me over it even though I've no plans of doing it!! Sure isn't the reason I'm here to find out how.much notice to give...