scam or not

new2me

hi, have an old new holland square baler and an eastern european guy saw it on donedeal and wants my paypal address so he can pay, we did email each other beforehand and now wants to pay,
paypal is safe is it not,i did think it was a scam

9or10

There is a huge scam with paypal hapened to a mate on another forum.

Shannon757

Definitely a scam

mythos110

A scam. Had a lad contact me when selling a tractor before. He offered to pay via paypal without seeing the tractor. I think his name was Andre Wilson or something.

I think the way it works is they would pay via paypal and collect the machine. Somewhere in Paypal's t&c's they say that if the item is not as described then you can get a refund within 30 days (not sure of the exact wording).
So the guy has your machine in eastern Europe, claims that it is not as described and gets refunded from Paypal. Then you are left with no machine and no money...

Stay well clear

pedigree 6

There was a guy on Joe Duffy there they get you to send out money to them first.
A young lad was selling a mountain bike on DD for e1000 and a woman rang up from Brussels about the bike. Paypal was mentioned too but it wasn't Paypal they were dealing with but some bloke in an office in Manchester claiming to be Paypal. Not 100% sure of the whole thing.

But ads on DD are a mecca for the scammers.

Kristopherus

Or drag him along as a lot of other boardies have done:D

rangler1

pedigree 6 wrote: »

There was a guy on Joe Duffy there they get you to send out money to them first.
A young lad was selling a mountain bike on DD for e1000 and a woman rang up from Brussels about the bike. Paypal was mentioned too but it wasn't Paypal they were dealing with but some bloke in an office in Manchester claiming to be Paypal. Not 100% sure of the whole thing.

But ads on DD are a mecca for the scammers.

I'd be embarassed to say publicly I got caught with a shed or a tractor, certainly wouldn't say it on Joe Duffy

Hagimalone

Scam, some will agree a payment say 5k plus 1k shipping but need you to pay a haulage guy first the 1k.

new2me

looking only 650 for the baler, alarm bells rang there when he just emailed me and said his shipping company will collect it,

Zaph

There's a current thread about the exact same scam in After Hours

djmc

I would have thought paypal would be safe so long as you wait until money is in and transfer it to your bank account before leaving the goods leave the yard.

Zaph

The thread I linked to above has a post explaining how the Paypal scam works.

A2LUE42

Not even close to being safe. Same for UK bank drafts. It looks like you have the money and then it is gone, along with whatever you were selling.

djmc

That scam works by them sending you a fake email saying the money is in your account
you just have to log into your paypal account and see if money is there and if it is withdraw it or transfer to your other bank account.
if you got an email that money had been wired into your bank account would you hand over goods without checking.
Paypal is safe as anything once you make sure you have the money in your hand before handing over the goods.

9or10

djmc wrote: »

That scam works by them sending you a fake email saying the money is in your account
you just have to log into your paypal account and see if money is there and if it is withdraw it or transfer to your other bank account.
if you got an email that money had been wired into your bank account would you hand over goods without checking.
Paypal is safe as anything once you make sure you have the money in your hand before handing over the goods.

That scam works by sending you a fake e-mail saying that they have the money and that it will be xferred to your a/c when they recieve confirmation of the postal or courier tracking number.:pac:

djmc

yes but a fake email not sent by paypal
no mon no fun

Sam Kade

Some fella selling a phone a few years ago got a fake PayPal email from the buyer, thinking it was real he sent on his phone and only after checked his PayPal account and saw no money had been lodged. The scam works with the fake PayPal email hoping the seller will think the money is lodged.

Del2005

djmc wrote: »

That scam works by them sending you a fake email saying the money is in your account
you just have to log into your paypal account and see if money is there and if it is withdraw it or transfer to your other bank account.
if you got an email that money had been wired into your bank account would you hand over goods without checking.
Paypal is safe as anything once you make sure you have the money in your hand before handing over the goods.

9or10 wrote: »

That scam works by sending you a fake e-mail saying that they have the money and that it will be xferred to your a/c when they recieve confirmation of the postal or courier tracking number.:pac:

Sometimes they just hack an account and use that. Legit email, legit transfer of funds just not from the person who owns the account. Make sure any money is removed from PayPal before handing anything over and if getting a cheque/draft they take upto weeks to clear properly so avoid unless you contact the issuing bank and verify it's legit, for drafts only.

new2me

here is the email I received and how he planned to scam me,
The transfer has just been completed and you would have received confirmation from PayPal.. so i want you to send me the address where the pick up would be made and i made an additional payment €130.00 EUR for the shipping agent pick up fee and i am sure you noticed that, according to PayPal's policy you'll have to send the extra amount to the shipping company headquarters through Western Union and then send the Western Union transfer information to PayPal for verification, so that the total amount of €930.00 EUR can be released into your PayPal account and the transaction can be finalized... Here is the info you need to send the fee to the shipping agent through western union...

Name: Samuel Kelly
Country: UKRAINE
Postal Code : 91000

You can make payment at a local post office or Western Union outlet .......I will advice you to check your inbox or spam/junk folder for the PayPal confirmation email in one of these folders. Keep me update

now a rather threatening letter from the company demanding I pay
We are contacting you regarding your transaction with Mr M Asonovich. We are still expecting to receive the necessary Western Union Information from you, and you are required to send the Western Union information to us within the next 24HRS or the necessary Legal Action shall be taken against you.

You are required to send to us the Western Union Information Stated Below for Verification:

(1) Sender's Name;
(2) Receiver's Name;
(3) MTCN (Money Transfer Control Number);
(4) Amount Sent;
(5) Western Union Receipt.

So you should go ahead and send the €300.00 EUR and get back to us with the details for verification , so that your account can be credited instantly. You can contact us by replying to this mail, if you have any question(s).

Sincerely

blue5000

Well worth looking at Zaph's link above.

Del2005

new2me wrote: »

here is the email I received and how he planned to scam me,
The transfer has just been completed and you would have received confirmation from PayPal.. so i want you to send me the address where the pick up would be made and i made an additional payment €130.00 EUR for the shipping agent pick up fee and i am sure you noticed that, according to PayPal's policy you'll have to send the extra amount to the shipping company headquarters through Western Union and then send the Western Union transfer information to PayPal for verification, so that the total amount of €930.00 EUR can be released into your PayPal account and the transaction can be finalized... Here is the info you need to send the fee to the shipping agent through western union...

Name: Samuel Kelly
Country: UKRAINE
Postal Code : 91000

You can make payment at a local post office or Western Union outlet .......I will advice you to check your inbox or spam/junk folder for the PayPal confirmation email in one of these folders. Keep me update

Western Union and over payment definately a scam.

A2LUE42

So PayPal wants someone to use Western Union. That's actually funny, it's hard to believe people fall for these. It would be like telling you to pay tesco money for Dunnes to deliver your shopping.

Correction, it would be more like telling you to give some guy standing outside tesco money for Dunnes to deliver your shopping.

Odelay

That's Sam Kelly past the crossroads in Ukraine, sound lad he is.

croot

new2me wrote: »

We are contacting you regarding your transaction with Mr M Asonovich

Sincerely

That name is missing three letters, a + b +t
Mr M A son ov A BiTch

Buford T. Justice XIX

Odelay wrote: »

That's Sam Kelly past the crossroads in Ukraine, sound lad he is.

Isn't his sister the redhead, married to the youngest of the Maguire lads. Two sons by them, quare good hurlers but never made the Ukraine team for the Championship?

Them Kellys?

KatyMac

There are a ridiculous amount of scams on email atm. One day I got 10 emails from "eircom", all with the same date/time stamp, so there was no way in hell I was going to open. I contacted eir via live chat and told them and was advised to delete immediately.
Also, got several from "Revenue" (4 or 5 within a couple of hours). Revenue are perfectly capable of emptying my pockets on their own without the help of scammers!

J.O. Farmer

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Isn't his sister the redhead, married to the youngest of the Maguire lads. Two sons by them, quare good hurlers but never made the Ukraine team for the Championship?

Them Kellys?

No but I think they'd be 1st cousins, this lad has no sister.