heifer calves

mcgyvor

Have surplus ped.holsteinfr heifer calves will probably sell some ebi.from 180 to 200 when do ye think would be best time to sell and what value was thinking around 400 but not sure what do ye think

Sam Kade

what age are they?

mcgyvor

Oldest a month old down to a few days probably won't sell for a few weeks could keep them until their off milk

Timmaay

mcgyvor wrote: »

Oldest a month old down to a few days probably won't sell for a few weeks could keep them until their off milk

Check up donedeal for prices. Reasonable few for sale for as low as 250e/hd I'll admit, very tempted to pickup some jex myself.

Mooooo

Have heard of calves under 6 weeks going for 350/400

Sam Kade

Mooooo wrote: »

Have heard of calves under 6 weeks going for 350/400

Right, have you seen those prices being paid though?

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

Check up donedeal for prices. Reasonable few for sale for as low as 250e/hd I'll admit, very tempted to pickup some jex myself.

How would jex fit in with friesians? Would they be lost in the parlour between big friesians?

mahoney_j

Genotype them ,may sell some surplus as after very bad start I've now lots heifers ,will take a bid of 500 plus tho ,backed up by genomic report ,excellent health status ,Dans/granddams records ,coop reports etc

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

How would jex fit in with friesians? Would they be lost in the parlour between big friesians?

They'll fight their corner and punch well above their weight.

Sam Kade

Timmaay wrote: »

They'll fight their corner and punch well above their weight.

But will you have to extend your hands to reach them? If the parlour is adjusted to suit friesians the jerseys will be too far away from the pit.

Sam Kade

mahoney_j wrote: »

Genotype them ,may sell some surplus as after very bad start I've now lots heifers ,will take a bid of 500 plus tho ,backed up by genomic report ,excellent health status ,Dans/granddams records ,coop reports etc

Sure you could get a decent calved heifers for double that and a bit extra, that will be generating income straight away.

Timmaay

Sam Kade wrote: »

But will you have to extend your hands to reach them? If the parlour is adjusted to suit friesians the jerseys will be too far away from the pit.

I had I think 19 in total in the last row this morning, 14unit haha. No problems then. That's fr and ho heifers also, not just jex

degetme

mcgyvor wrote: »

Have surplus ped.holsteinfr heifer calves will probably sell some ebi.from 180 to 200 when do ye think would be best time to sell and what value was thinking around 400 but not sure what do ye think

Sold a few for 400e. Most lads only willing to pay 350. Average age 3wks.You need to find the right customer. I could have held tough and looked for more but I was tight on space and had enough to do

mahoney_j

Sam Kade wrote: »

Sure you could get a decent calved heifers for double that and a bit extra, that will be generating income straight away.

Define decent ,I've records to back up asking price

GrasstoMilk

mahoney_j wrote: »

Genotype them ,may sell some surplus as after very bad start I've now lots heifers ,will take a bid of 500 plus tho ,backed up by genomic report ,excellent health status ,Dans/granddams records ,coop reports etc

I'd say you'll be keeping them at 500€ mj

White Clover

Timmaay wrote: »

I had I think 19 in total in the last row this morning, 14unit haha. No problems then. That's fr and ho heifers also, not just jex

How did you manage feeding this way Tim?

Mooooo

Sam Kade wrote: »

Right, have you seen those prices being paid though?

Dairygold demo farm got 375 for 3 week old ai bred heifers

PMU

Sam Kade wrote: »

But will you have to extend your hands to reach them? If the parlour is adjusted to suit friesians the jerseys will be too far away from the pit.

yes, you will need to squeeze in an extra big cow to shove them together.they will stretch to reach the meal . I have 3 ft centres here and its too wide,too much room to move.

Sam Kade

mahoney_j wrote: »

Define decent ,I've records to back up asking price

Milking 5000 litres with good solids, would be better than waiting 2 years to get the first drop of milk out of them.

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

I'd say you'll be keeping them at 500€ mj

Wanna bet .....4/5 week old ,genotyped ,ebi 260 plus

Timmaay

White Clover wrote: »

How did you manage feeding this way Tim?

I hope no heifer ends up without meal 2 milkings in a row ha. 19 in a row extreme, 16 more like it, and I'd expect them to be settled down in 2 or 3 weeks and all one space per heifer.

GrasstoMilk

mahoney_j wrote: »

Wanna bet .....4/5 week old ,genotyped ,ebi 260 plus

And another 1200€ to rear. I hope ye do get the 500€ but what you value them at and what they're worth are very different
Heifers are 190/220 ebi here and not genotyped no way would I get 500€ for them at 5 weeks

Wildsurfer

mahoney_j wrote: »

Wanna bet .....4/5 week old ,genotyped ,ebi 260 plus

Can I ask where you get genotyping done, can you get it done at Enfer with same sample used for bvd or is it a hair sample from tail? Do you do all heifer calves and what info do you get back ie does it just give an ebi figure or does it break down the different traits?

blackdog1

mahoney_j wrote:

Wanna bet .....4/5 week old ,genotyped ,ebi 260 plus

Mahoney, I've sold heifers every year and no one asks me about ebi, they take one look at the animal and I show them my milking cows and that's the end of it. But I don't think your price is outrageous as you've an excellent herd on figures.

White Clover

Slightly off topic, but, do these high ebi ho/fr bulls breed smaller cows? Only reason I ask is I have friesian bullocks here from 2 farms. One man is all ebi and the other man has no faith whatsoever in it and uses the aAa system to choose bulls for breeding replacements. Both pedigree herds. The high ebi bullocks are a good bit behind the aAa bullocks in size and in general are not as well shaped or as long as the aAa ones. Also the aAa man would have a much higher output cow than the high ebi man has.
Opinions on these observations appreciated!

jaymla627

White Clover wrote: »

Slightly off topic, but, do these high ebi ho/fr bulls breed smaller cows? Only reason I ask is I have friesian bullocks here from 2 farms. One man is all ebi and the other man has no faith whatsoever in it and uses the aAa system to choose bulls for breeding replacements. Both pedigree herds. The high ebi bullocks are a good bit behind the aAa bullocks in size and in general are not as well shaped or as long as the aAa ones. Also the aAa man would have a much higher output cow than the high ebi man has.
Opinions on these observations appreciated!

Purely down to the bigger guys bullocks been breed for type/size, a lot of the 1st calvers here are towering over their own dams, would be a good 9 inches to over a foot taller in some extreme cases, simply because these heifers would be off high milk/type bulls that would be low ebi

White Clover

jaymla627 wrote: »

Purely down to the bigger guys bullocks been breed for type/size, a lot of the 1st calvers here are towering over their own dams, would be a good 9 inches to over a foot taller in some extreme cases, simply because these heifers would be off high milk/type bulls that would be low ebi

These aAa bullocks are not giraffes jay. They're a lovely balanced bullock with a good spring to the rib and very deep chest, not unlike the British friesian of years gone by whereas the high ebi ones are alot shorter and just small.
From what I know of aAa, it's got very little to do with type it's more about balance.

cute geoge

What is this aAa about ,does there a figure go with it

White Clover

cute geoge wrote: »

What is this aAa about ,does there a figure go with it

http://www.progressivedairy.com/topics/a-i-breeding/breeding-for-balance-with-aaa-analysis