2010 Scirocco 2.0 Tdi

Greycon

Hi all,
my daughter travels between Dublin and Dundalk for work twice a week. She's spending a lot on petrol in a 2006 Golf, so is considering a 2010 Scirocco 2.0 Tdi.

I did a check, and in brief;
1. It's an import.
2. It has 129,000 Miles on the clock.
3. It has a current NCT.

I looked at the service log and couldn't see any sign of a Timing belt change, so I am guessing we might need to get this done.

Is there anything else I should look out for?
Is it a very high mileage for a 2.0 Tdi engine?
If i contacted Bill Griffin service, who sold it, would they tell me what work they did on the car?

Cheers,
Con

Atlantic Dawn

If the sole idea for the change is to save money she will need to hold on to the Scriocco for about 10 years to just break even. Max saving would be about 30% in fuel, not worth it for a round trip of twice a week.

Her Golf is worth about €3k, the Scirocco will be about €12k, the €9k she will have to spend will buy a hell of a lot of petrol for her Golf.

9935452

Greycon wrote: »

Hi all,
my daughter travels between Dublin and Dundalk for work twice a week. She's spending a lot on petrol in a 2006 Golf, so is considering a 2010 Scirocco 2.0 Tdi.

I did a check, and in brief;
1. It's an import.
2. It has 129,000 Miles on the clock.
3. It has a current NCT.

I looked at the service log and couldn't see any sign of a Timing belt change, so I am guessing we might need to get this done.

Is there anything else I should look out for?
Is it a very high mileage for a 2.0 Tdi engine?
If i contacted Bill Griffin service, who sold it, would they tell me what work they did on the car?

Cheers,
Con

Timing belt interval is 120k km or 75k miles.
It might be down in the service book as toothed belt .
roughly 350-500 to get water pump , tmiing belt changed.

Another thing to look out for is clutch and dual mass flywheel.
listen for a knock from the engine at startup and tickover and vibrations when driving the car .
Expect minimum 1000 euro independent to change .
The clutch on the golf would be around 300 to do in comparison

The diesel VW will have higher servicing costs as well and more to go wrong as well ,

I used to have a mk4 1.4 golf and now have a 09 A4 2.0TDI.
The golf was costing very little to keep going , parts were cheaper, tax was similar, insurance was a lot cheaper , economy. (golf was doing 40mpg , a4 49mpg)

Greycon

9935452 wrote: »

Timing belt interval is 120k km or 75k miles.
It might be down in the service book as toothed belt .
roughly 350-500 to get water pump , tmiing belt changed.

Another thing to look out for is clutch and dual mass flywheel.
listen for a knock from the engine at startup and tickover and vibrations when driving the car .
Expect minimum 1000 euro independent to change .
The clutch on the golf would be around 300 to do in comparison

The diesel VW will have higher servicing costs as well and more to go wrong as well ,

I used to have a mk4 1.4 golf and now have a 09 A4 2.0TDI.
The golf was costing very little to keep going , parts were cheaper, tax was similar, insurance was a lot cheaper , economy. (golf was doing 40mpg , a4 49mpg)

Many thanks - I had a feeling that at 130K Miles it would be getting to the age where she would have to outlay some serious cash in the coming year or 18 months, and you have pretty much confirmed that for me. I think maybe this is not the right car. I will get her golf a full service, and she can drive on for another while :-)

Toyotafanboi

The timing belt intervals on those Sciroccos is 210k kms/ 120k miles or 5 years but it's a moot point as it's due on that car either way if it hasn't been done.

There's a lot of scaremongering in the post above, you can't compare the price of doing the clutch in a 1.4 petrol Golf vs a 2.0 diesel Scirocco. If the clutch and DMF fails an independent mechanic would do the job for under €1k which is the going rate for most modern diesels. If the car has been doing motorway driving there could be years left in the clutch and flywheel in that car.

Seeing as you can run VW diesels on the 30k 24 month service intervals it means servicing doesn't cost the earth. A main dealer will do a full service on that car for €269, an independent, even less. A timing belt kit at a main dealer is €449.

Those Sciroccos are fairly hardy in fairness.

Greycon

Thanks @Toyotafanboi - good to hear another view point. I guess I am just a bit scared of high mileage cars - but given that the car was an import, and clocked up some 120K over 6 years, motorway driving is probably accurate.

I think I might see whether I can take the car for an afternoon myself and do some proper test driving.

Toyotafanboi

I'd go I into it with an open mind tbh, if you like the car. I'd be more concerned over a low mileage diesel model tbh.

TimeToShine

Greycon wrote: »

Many thanks - I had a feeling that at 130K Miles it would be getting to the age where she would have to outlay some serious cash in the coming year or 18 months, and you have pretty much confirmed that for me. I think maybe this is not the right car. I will get her golf a full service, and she can drive on for another while :-)

If she's only travelling twice a week it would make absolutely no sense for her to buy a new car "to save on fuel costs". Fair enough if she wants it for herself but it sounds to me like you're the one paying - in which case stick with the Golf and save yourself 10 grand.

yannakis

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If the sole idea for the change is to save money she will need to hold on to the Scriocco for about 10 years to just break even. Max saving would be about 30% in fuel, not worth it for a round trip of twice a week.

Her Golf is worth about €3k, the Scirocco will be about €12k, the €9k she will have to spend will buy a hell of a lot of petrol for her Golf.

Do you have any examples where the gas/road tax savings of the new vehicle breaks even with the price difference? You can't put a price tag in the comfort upgrade which in most cases is the most important

Looking at myself, I spent 6k to upgrade to a Prius recently (from a Honda Fit) - road tax is 100 less, and consumption about 2 l/100km lower (15k km a year roughly brings gas savings to 400). I'm not anticipating to break even in 12 years :pac:

But I'm enjoying a completely different vehicle category, more specs, more space, more comfort.

9935452

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

The timing belt intervals on those Sciroccos is 210k kms/ 120k miles or 5 years but it's a moot point as it's due on that car either way if it hasn't been done.

There's a lot of scaremongering in the post above, you can't compare the price of doing the clutch in a 1.4 petrol Golf vs a 2.0 diesel Scirocco. If the clutch and DMF fails an independent mechanic would do the job for under €1k which is the going rate for most modern diesels. If the car has been doing motorway driving there could be years left in the clutch and flywheel in that car.

Seeing as you can run VW diesels on the 30k 24 month service intervals it means servicing doesn't cost the earth. A main dealer will do a full service on that car for €269, an independent, even less. A timing belt kit at a main dealer is €449.

Those Sciroccos are fairly hardy in fairness.

I wouldnt call my post scaremongering .
Its genuine advice from someone who did a similar change a few years back.
The op is suggesting his daughter wants to save money by changing to a diesel car.
Doing 15k miles a year, i am saving about a grand in diesel a year but am spending more on insurance, servicing (most of which i do myself) tyres are dearer, spare parts if needed are dearer.
As i said there is more to go wrong with a diesel too with more expensive repairs than with her golf like the clutch /flywheel, DPF , injection pump , injectors .
Personally my A4 isnt causing any issues yet and am delighted to have changed for the power and comfort but wouldnt kid myself saying i did it to save money

unkel

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

There's a lot of scaremongering in the post above, you can't compare the price of doing the clutch in a 1.4 petrol Golf vs a 2.0 diesel Scirocco. If the clutch and DMF fails an independent mechanic would do the job for under €1k

Thing is the clutch in her petrol Golf is probably fine. I've owned maybe 30 cars. All petrol. Never changed the clutch in any of them. The Golf is very unlikely to suffer any other expensive problems either, even though it is now 11 years old.

Chance of a 130k miles 2l diesel VW needing a new DMF in the next year or two is significant. Maybe even some other expensive problems. That's not scaremongering, that's being realistic. It's unreal how Ireland has the highest number of diesel cars sold now in the whole of the EU and most people don't need diesel and don't save any money on them either. And thousands of people die in Ireland alone each year because of diesel cars. About time we say adios to them. Sorry for rant.

166man

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

If the sole idea for the change is to save money she will need to hold on to the Scriocco for about 10 years to just break even. Max saving would be about 30% in fuel, not worth it for a round trip of twice a week.

Her Golf is worth about €3k, the Scirocco will be about €12k, the €9k she will have to spend will buy a hell of a lot of petrol for her Golf.

The problem with your calculation is you're valuing the Scirocco at 0 effectively, which won't be the case.

The Golf sells for €3k, Scirocco bought for €12k. But in 3 years time, the Scirocco is worth maybe €5k. So to drive the Scirocco has cost €2k per annum estimated.

Fuel savings would be about €30 a week over the year (assuming 550km per week) that works out at about €1400 odd in savings per year.

That's a fairly substantial saving IMO.