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Council housing list...what happens next?

  • 27-02-2017 12:53pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭


    Hi, I have just filled out and submitted a housing application form with my local county council.
    I was just wondering what happens next?
    I currently live in private rented accommodation with my wife and 3 kids. Have been living in the same house for the past 5 and a half years. We got notice that the landlord is selling the house so we have to move out by mid July.
    We could just afford the rent we were paying( it just went up €150 per month last month) and so far we cannot find suitable accommodation within our budget, hence why we submitted a housing application form.
    Hope someone might know what happens next..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,258 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    The process usually takes three months so you'll be waiting some time before you get a decision. They may contact you at some stage to discuss specific details regarding your application.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    You will be waiting a long time for the council to provide housing, there's a huge list. Only advice is to start looking for somewhere else to rent.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    Wasnt the council housing schemes supposed to be stopped?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    Wasnt the council housing schemes supposed to be stopped?

    What makes you think that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Senecio


    I feel for the OP's situation, I really do. But I just can't stand the attitude above. Why do people advise to make it the landlords problem? Social housing is not a problem for private landlords to fix.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    OP what happens next depends on where you live.

    If its Dublin then you probably need to look further afield to find a private rental you can afford. It will be years before the council offers you anything.

    If it's an area will less demand, they may have something a little sooner. But even so, its unlikely to be before July, so you need to keep looking.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Senecio wrote: »
    I feel for the OP's situation, I really do. But I just can't stand the attitude above. Why do people advise to make it the landlords problem? Social housing is not a problem for private landlords to fix.

    I don't see where anyone has said it's the LL's problem?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭md323


    pilly wrote: »
    I don't see where anyone has said it's the LL's problem?

    Exactly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭md323


    OP what happens next depends on where you live.

    If its Dublin then you probably need to look further afield to find a private rental you can afford. It will be years before the council offers you anything.

    If it's an area will less demand, they may have something a little sooner. But even so, its unlikely to be before July, so you need to keep looking.

    Live in Limerick, am actively looking. Just can't afford anything in our area or close by.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Senecio


    pilly wrote: »
    I don't see where anyone has said it's the LL's problem?

    A post has been deleted. Someone was advising the OP to overstay.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Senecio wrote: »
    A post has been deleted. Someone was advising the OP to overstay.

    Oh okay, that makes sense. Apologies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,656 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    md323 wrote: »
    Live in Limerick, am actively looking. Just can't afford anything in our area or close by.

    Is it possible to move to say limerick county, Tipperary or Clare where rents might be lower and you can commute in to work?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 18,809 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kimbot


    pilly wrote: »
    What makes you think that?

    I just recall hearing that they were stopping it or planning to stop them or something, hence why I asked :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    jonnycivic wrote: »
    I just recall hearing that they were stopping it or planning to stop them or something, hence why I asked :)

    Probably just changing the name to something else which is what they tend to do when they make a mess of things. Different name, same **** waiting list.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    road_high wrote: »
    Is it possible to move to say limerick county, Tipperary or Clare where rents might be lower and you can commute in to work?

    It's a good idea, rural Limerick can be very cheap. Tipperary too, depending where you're working.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭md323


    pilly wrote: »
    It's a good idea, rural Limerick can be very cheap. Tipperary too, depending where you're working.

    I'm living in the county already


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    md323 wrote: »
    Hi, I have just filled out and submitted a housing application form with my local county council.
    I was just wondering what happens next?
    I currently live in private rented accommodation with my wife and 3 kids. Have been living in the same house for the past 5 and a half years. We got notice that the landlord is selling the house so we have to move out by mid July.
    We could just afford the rent we were paying( it just went up €150 per month last month) and so far we cannot find suitable accommodation within our budget, hence why we submitted a housing application form.
    Hope someone might know what happens next..

    Hi md323.

    The same just happened with me.

    I have been living in the same private rented accommodation with my child for almost 3 years now and, even though i have a written lease signed by my landlord (which is still valid for a 1 and a half more) when he tried to increase my rent i went to threshold for legal advice. I got informed of the new laws and i informed my landlord about it. The next working day after he got the information that i wouldn't pay the rent increase he sends me a sms informing me that he decided to sell the apartment and that i have 3 months to leave the place.

    I also cannot find or afford anything near my area. My child has learning difficulties so its imperative that she stays at the school where she is receiving support from. Not to mention she doesn't deal well with changes. Hence my effort to try to find a place nearby without any luck.

    Meanwhile, during my search for a new place to live in that i could afford, i got denied by almost all of them because i am mainly a single mother (even though i am working full time, they refused me flat out through the phone and even turned it off in my face in a very unpleasant tone) or they refuse because the area is not safe for a child to live in (i guess for certain people its safer to live on the streets, although it would be ok if i had a man living with me). I even mention that i have a reference letter but even so its not accepted i was also told that "we do not accept rent allowance" i had to google what that was...

    As a last resource, i submitted a housing application form. I got a letter after almost six weeks saying i was accept into the list. The next day i received a username and password to log onto their website to see the houses available in the areas chosen by me. So far, no luck whatsoever and time is running out.

    The main thing i learned through all of this is that tenants have no rights or protection in Ireland.
    It doesn't matter how long you are living in a house and how good of a tenant you are.
    Doesn't matter if you have a written lease or not. When the landlord tells u to move out you have to obey.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Hesthea wrote:
    The main thing i learned through all of this is that tenants have no rights or protection in Ireland. It doesn't matter how long you are living in a house and how good of a tenant you are. Doesn't matter if you have a written lease or not. When the landlord tells u to move out you have to obey.


    That is simply not true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭Wesser


    Ì feel sorry for your situation . But you are a victim of housing policies and government inaction and lack of planning for a gr o wing population. Not your landlord. Your landlord has the right to sell this property if he wishes , it is his!!! You do have rights he has given you until July to get sorted which is your right and is alot of time to get sorted.
    Best of luck and I'm sure you will find somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,295 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    <mod snip>

    Tenants have enormous rights.

    Of course they don't have the right to stay forever - they don't own the place. But the do get large amounts of notice when they have to leave.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭cbyrd


    Is the HAP scheme available in your area? I was recently accepted on the housing list in my area after becoming homeless due to rent increases, once on the housing list, I could find a private rental and apply for HAP, which pays a portion of the rent directly to the landlord. It's the revamp of rent allowance.
    Worth looking into if you have a few months to find a property, the council will have all the information.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    <mod snip>

    Tenants have enormous rights.

    Of course they don't have the right to stay forever - they don't own the place. But the do get large amounts of notice when they have to leave.

    Wesser wrote: »
    Ì feel sorry for your situation . But you are a victim of housing policies and government inaction and lack of planning for a gr o wing population. Not your landlord. Your landlord has the right to sell this property if he wishes , it is his!!! You do have rights he has given you until July to get sorted which is your right and is alot of time to get sorted.
    Best of luck and I'm sure you will find somewhere.



    3 months to leave the place doesn't give you time to find a new place to live in when you can't afford to rent a new one for you and your child especially when people simple deny you the right to rent one due to discrimination because your a single mother.

    Not to mention that with the housing crisis its even worse: rents have doubled, others are simply in such a bad state that it makes you wonder if there is any fiscalization when someone decides to rent their properties.

    I'm not against my landlord selling the property. Like it was said so well, it is his property hence his right. What i am against is the fact that my signed document is not valid to allow me to stay in the place until the end of it. Does that mean that all the contracts signed all over Ireland are invalid too? The one we signed with the bank? Our employers? And so on?

    I should have the right to stay until the end. I would be the responsability of the new landlord and he/she would decided if he/she wanted to renovate my contract or not at the end of it.

    pilly wrote: »
    That is simply not true.


    Then explain me how come even though i have a written lease still valid for a year and a half and i still have to leave the apartment?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    cbyrd wrote: »
    Is the HAP scheme available in your area? I was recently accepted on the housing list in my area after becoming homeless due to rent increases, once on the housing list, I could find a private rental and apply for HAP, which pays a portion of the rent directly to the landlord. It's the revamp of rent allowance.
    Worth looking into if you have a few months to find a property, the council will have all the information.


    I received a letter about it last Friday. I've read the leaflet but still have some doubts so i will be phoning them tomorrow if i have time after work. But even the few places that i could pay without help i couldn't rent it because they refuse to rent to single mothers. <mod snip>


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 409 ✭✭shugy


    I know someone who's been on the housing list, waiting 14 years and still hasn't been offered a house from the council. If I was you, don't expect to be offered anything anytime soon.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Hesthea wrote:
    Then explain me how come even though i have a written lease still valid for a year and a half and i still have to leave the apartment?


    Because those are the RTB rules. Same way if you want out of the lease you just give notice too.

    Let's put it another way, if your circumstances changed and you had to move would you be paying 18 months rent to the LL to move? No way would you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    pilly wrote: »
    Because those are the RTB rules. Same way if you want out of the lease you just give notice too.

    Let's put it another way, if your circumstances changed and you had to move would you be paying 18 months rent to the LL to move? No way would you.


    When my landlord gave me the new 3y lease he made very clear that if i wanted to break the lease i couldn't unless i was willing to pay out, yet he added a clause in the lease allowing him that right when i couldn't do the same.

    I was satisfied with the place so moving wasn't an option at that time although it was unfair to not give me the same rights that he bestowed upon himself.
    shugy wrote: »
    I know someone who's been on the housing list, waiting 14 years and still hasn't been offered a house from the council. If I was you, don't expect to be offered anything anytime soon.

    I know people that have been waiting between 3 to 11 years so yes, i am not expecting a miracle but i also cannot afford to become a homeless person for my child's sake. Hence i haven't given up and check for houses/ apartments everyday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    What's your budget for rent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,793 ✭✭✭Villa05


    For limerick, try towns nearby that may have a larger supply of houses (possible over supply). Tipp town, Nenagh, Kilmallock, Charleville or possibly Necastlewest come to mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    What's your budget for rent?

    Is that question for me or md323 or both?


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Hesthea wrote: »
    When my landlord gave me the new 3y lease he made very clear that if i wanted to break the lease i couldn't unless i was willing to pay out, yet he added a clause in the lease allowing him that right when i couldn't do the same.

    Hesthea- nothing a landlord puts in a written lease can supercede or overwrite your rights, as tenant, which are spelt out in the Residential Tenancies Act. A landlord can put a clause in a lease allowing him to sell the property- or for use by an immediate family member- this is legitimate- he cannot however refuse to offer you terms to vacate the lease which detract in any manner from your rights under the Act. Aka- regardless of what your formal written lease stated- you could leave at any time, without consequence, providing you found a replacement tenant of at least equal stature to yourself to continue the lease.

    Your rights as a tenant are in fact a lot stronger than you realise- we have some of the strongest tenancy law in Europe in Ireland- however, a lot of people are not familiar with the law, or how to refute actions which are contrary to the Act.

    With respect of your current predicament- unfortunate though it is- it appears you have been served with correct notice- and given a valid reason by the landlord to vacate the property, as per the Act. If he subsequently does not make a reasonable attempt to sell the property- or relets it to another tenant without giving you first refusal- he would be in breach of his obligations and you would have a valid case to lodge a complaint with the Residential Tenancies Board.

    The Council Housing List- is simply that- a list- and while properties are made available to those on the list- its far from unusual for 10 year + waits to be encountered on the list.

    DO NOT RELY ON GETTING A PROPERTY FROM THE COUNCIL WAITING LIST BEFORE JULY.

    You need to proactively engage with the council, DSP and any other bodies who may be of assistance to you- to see what accommodations may be made to assist you. In some cases you may be expedited onto other housing schemes- such as HAP with topups above the local levels, to make you a more attractive tenant for a landlord- you need to explore what your options are though- not sit back and imagine that the Council Housing List is some sort of magic well that is going to magic up your ideal home in your ideal location- on time, for you to move into next July..........


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    You need to proactively engage with the council, DSP and any other bodies who may be of assistance to you- to see what accommodations may be made to assist you. In some cases you may be expedited onto other housing schemes- such as HAP with topups above the local levels, to make you a more attractive tenant for a landlord- you need to explore what your options are though- not sit back and imagine that the Council Housing List is some sort of magic well that is going to magic up your ideal home in your ideal location- on time, for you to move into next July..........

    Like i said in a previous post i am still looking for a place for myself and my child but with no luck.

    It seems being a working lone parent is something to be avoided. Even though i have references and a job i still can't get a house. Being a recent HAP recipient its not helping either.

    It makes me feel as if i am a persona non grata by society.
    It is very frustrating and stressful especially when you are in countdown to become a homeless and no matter what you do or what they ask for (and you give them) they always find something that makes you illegible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Hesthea wrote: »
    Like i said in a previous post i am still looking for a place for myself and my child but with no luck.

    It seems being a working lone parent is something to be avoided. Even though i have references and a job i still can't get a house. Being a recent HAP recipient its not helping either.

    It makes me feel as if i am a persona non grata by society.
    It is very frustrating and stressful especially when you are in countdown to become a homeless and no matter what you do or what they ask for (and you give them) they always find something that makes you illegible.

    Feeling with and for you.

    I had a 200 mile plus move in January as my former ll was needing to sell and there was just nothing in my area within range.
    And I got rejected as I need rent allowance.

    But I am alone so less worries. Not sure how long I can be here

    NB CWOs do have discretionary powers in needful cases to pay when rent is above the limit..

    Please, call Threshold?

    And where are you looking?

    There are a lot of houses to rent in eg local supermarkets. On the card notice board.

    And email all the agents in the areas you need to rent in. I did that and said I was seeking a small basic rental. One agent came up with this place, which is very basic but fine for my needs .. several times now I have found accommodation that was not on the ads but listed at the agents.

    It is a hard place to be OP.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Feeling with and for you.

    I had a 200 mile plus move in January as my former ll was needing to sell and there was just nothing in my area within range.
    And I got rejected as I need rent allowance.

    But I am alone so less worries. Not sure how long I can be here

    NB CWOs do have discretionary powers in needful cases to pay when rent is above the limit..

    Please, call Threshold?

    And where are you looking?

    There are a lot of houses to rent in eg local supermarkets. On the card notice board.

    And email all the agents in the areas you need to rent in. I did that and said I was seeking a small basic rental. One agent came up with this place, which is very basic but fine for my needs .. several times now I have found accommodation that was not on the ads but listed at the agents.

    It is a hard place to be OP.

    I've been in touch with Threshold about my situation for sometime now. There is a limit to what they can do too.

    I'm looking around all areas that have bus access so that my child keeps on going to the same school even if we have to ride the bus for almost 1h (Cork area)

    Never saw anything regarding property for let on the supermarkets i go to.

    I'm making phone calls and sending emails to agents and LL who also have properties on the market. No one answers or they say that there is nothing available or they tell me clearly that they do not accept single mothers nor rent allowance (HAP)

    Isn't HAP part of CWO's?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Hesthea wrote: »
    I've been in touch with Threshold about my situation for sometime now. There is a limit to what they can do too.

    I'm looking around all areas that have bus access so that my child keeps on going to the same school even if we have to ride the bus for almost 1h (Cork area)

    Never saw anything regarding property for let on the supermarkets i go to.

    I'm making phone calls and sending emails to agents and LL who also have properties on the market. No one answers or they say that there is nothing available or they tell me clearly that they do not accept single mothers nor rent allowance (HAP)

    Isn't HAP part of CWO's?

    Re your last query. Yes but I am not well up on HAP. I was lucky as having been on rent allowance years and with my advanced age they let me stay on it.

    I know how hard the situation is now. I really do. Just keep trying is all you can do. N B it is illegal to refuse on grounds of rent allowance .

    I mentioned re supermarkets as in mine there are several to let cards.

    I have a lease for a year and not sure then after that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    HAP is run by your local housing authority


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Is the school in Cork city or suburbs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    Graces7 wrote: »
    N B it is illegal to refuse on grounds of rent allowance .

    I mentioned re supermarkets as in mine there are several to let cards.

    I have a lease for a year and not sure then after that.


    I shop at Dunnes, Tesco, Lidl and Dealz and never saw anything.

    Even thought its illegal they still refuse it or find smarter ways to refuse that does not infringe the law.

    Gatling wrote: »
    HAP is run by your local housing authority


    So is CWO's unrelated to it?

    pilly wrote: »
    Is the school in Cork city or suburbs?

    Cork city


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    Hesthea wrote: »
    I shop at Dunnes, Tesco, Lidl and Dealz and never saw anything.

    Even thought its illegal they still refuse it or find smarter ways to refuse that does not infringe the law.





    So is CWO's unrelated to it?




    Cork city
    You'll be waiting years for housing in Cork City.

    I applied for housing with them in 2003, got housed in 2012, and that was a struggle to even get it. Are you seeing housing on the north or southside?

    I can PM details of those those assisted my case in getting housing.

    <mod snip: let's not go there please>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    Hesthea wrote: »
    I shop at Dunnes, Tesco, Lidl and Dealz and never saw anything.

    Smaller supermarkets have dedicated notice boards; eg supervalu and you can put notices up there yourself too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    Graces7 wrote: »
    Hesthea wrote: »
    I shop at Dunnes, Tesco, Lidl and Dealz and never saw anything.

    Smaller supermarkets have dedicated notice boards; eg supervalu and you can put notices up there yourself too.

    I also shop at that one but never saw anything to be honest.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,420 ✭✭✭✭athtrasna


    Hesthea wrote: »

    I also shop at that one but never saw anything to be honest.

    You need to start thinking outside the box, as others have said, getting on the council list practically means nothing. You need to put out feelers through friends and family, the school, and any other organisation/club/group you're involved with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭tanit


    Hesthea wrote: »
    When my landlord gave me the new 3y lease he made very clear that if i wanted to break the lease i couldn't unless i was willing to pay out, yet he added a clause in the lease allowing him that right when i couldn't do the same.

    I was satisfied with the place so moving wasn't an option at that time although it was unfair to not give me the same rights that he bestowed upon himself.



    I know people that have been waiting between 3 to 11 years so yes, i am not expecting a miracle but i also cannot afford to become a homeless person for my child's sake. Hence i haven't given up and check for houses/ apartments everyday.

    This might be completely irrelevant and not useful at all, but has a solicitor taken a look to that lease and did you get in writing the landlord saying that it was increasing the rent?
    The Citizen's Information Offices usually have a solicitor that gives advice for free. I am suggesting this because even though your landlord included the clause that he couldn't break the lease without penalties but you didn't first that it's an unfair clause in a contract and not sure if it would be legal.

    The second reason is that contracts can be broken but they have rules to be legal for them being broken. Breaking the contract immediately after a proposed rent increase if that rent increase wasn't supposed to happen for at least 3 years might put the landlord in a bad situation. It might not give you the right to live in the apartment/ house for the remainder of the lease but maybe it can give you a breather to find alternative accommodation.

    The only reason I'm suggesting this is because I'm seeing more and more abuse from landlords trying to catch up with rents increases when they shouldn't. I understand they have mortgages to pay, but people are people and they should be treated fairly and a contract they have signed is a contract not an instrument they can use for their benefit only


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    athtrasna wrote: »
    You need to start thinking outside the box, as others have said, getting on the council list practically means nothing. You need to put out feelers through friends and family, the school, and any other organisation/club/group you're involved with.

    Its just me and my child. My friends have their own lives and even though they are helping me to find a house there is not much they can do too. Talked with school but they can't help. I'm not involved in any organisation/club/group because i have no time for anything of the sort.

    This is the life of a single parent with no one to turn to.


    KC161 wrote: »
    You'll be waiting years for housing in Cork City.

    I applied for housing with them in 2003, got housed in 2012, and that was a struggle to even get it. Are you seeing housing on the north or southside?

    I can PM details of those those assisted my case in getting housing.

    <mod snip: let's not go there please>


    I'm looking for houses mainly in the south of the city.

    tanit wrote: »
    This might be completely irrelevant and not useful at all, but has a solicitor taken a look to that lease and did you get in writing the landlord saying that it was increasing the rent?
    The Citizen's Information Offices usually have a solicitor that gives advice for free. I am suggesting this because even though your landlord included the clause that he couldn't break the lease without penalties but you didn't first that it's an unfair clause in a contract and not sure if it would be legal.

    The second reason is that contracts can be broken but they have rules to be legal for them being broken. Breaking the contract immediately after a proposed rent increase if that rent increase wasn't supposed to happen for at least 3 years might put the landlord in a bad situation. It might not give you the right to live in the apartment/ house for the remainder of the lease but maybe it can give you a breather to find alternative accommodation.

    The only reason I'm suggesting this is because I'm seeing more and more abuse from landlords trying to catch up with rents increases when they shouldn't. I understand they have mortgages to pay, but people are people and they should be treated fairly and a contract they have signed is a contract not an instrument they can use for their benefit only

    i have been to threshold. They have read and made copies of my lease and even the letter about the rent increase and later then the termination notice. Made a case with PRTB and will have a hearing with them soon. My landlord meanwhile gave me another termination letter with the missing documents to be considered a valid one.

    3 days after the last viewing of the place, they phoned me informing me i have to leave the house at the end of termination because they sold the place.

    The reason i'm advancing with PRTB hearing is because i want to be heard. I am a tenant and i feel i have no rights whatsoever. I have a written lease. Always paid on time and took well care of the place as if it were my own. Still i have to leave when i have nowhere to go even though i am on receipt of HAP because i am discriminated for being a lone parent and HAP.

    i have references from my employer and landlord. A full time job and still cant get a place. Does any of this makes any sense? In a society so pro life (as it likes to call itself) being discriminated because of it is pure hypocrisy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    Hesthea wrote: »
    Its just me and my child. My friends have their own lives and even though they are helping me to find a house there is not much they can do too. Talked with school but they can't help. I'm not involved in any organisation/club/group because i have no time for anything of the sort.

    This is the life of a single parent with no one to turn to.






    I'm looking for houses mainly in the south of the city.




    i have been to threshold. They have read and made copies of my lease and even the letter about the rent increase and later then the termination notice. Made a case with PRTB and will have a hearing with them soon. My landlord meanwhile gave me another termination letter with the missing documents to be considered a valid one.

    3 days after the last viewing of the place, they phoned me informing me i have to leave the house at the end of termination because they sold the place.

    The reason i'm advancing with PRTB hearing is because i want to be heard. I am a tenant and i feel i have no rights whatsoever. I have a written lease. Always paid on time and took well care of the place as if it were my own. Still i have to leave when i have nowhere to go even though i am on receipt of HAP because i am discriminated for being a lone parent and HAP.

    i have references from my employer and landlord. A full time job and still cant get a place. Does any of this makes any sense? In a society so pro life (as it likes to call itself) being discriminated because of it is pure hypocrisy.

    Certain area's are much easier to get than others.

    Loads of places in certain area's Like Mahon, Togher.

    Ballyphehane has a few as well.

    Did they fill the new housing estate across from Togher garda station? it's entirely council owned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    KC161 wrote: »
    Certain area's are much easier to get than others.

    Loads of places in certain area's Like Mahon, Togher.

    Ballyphehane has a few as well.

    Did they fill the new housing estate across from Togher garda station? it's entirely council owned.

    I'm looking in all those areas and some more even though some will be almost 1h bus ride still no luck.

    About Togher i do not know but since i'm fairly new into this i guess people waiting longer have priority over it hence it was not given as an option to me when i received the papers for HAP.

    Am i also giving priority to a house with a small back garden instead of an apartment (although i am looking into apartments). We are living in one for 3 years but for the prices they are asking now i prefer to pay the same for a house with some space outside so that my child can play freely while getting some sun. Although so far is just wishful thinking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,196 ✭✭✭boardsuser1


    Hesthea wrote: »
    I'm looking in all those areas and some more even though some will be almost 1h bus ride still no luck.

    About Togher i do not know but since i'm fairly new into this i guess people waiting longer have priority over it hence it was not given as an option to me when i received the papers for HAP.

    Am i also giving priority to a house with a small back garden instead of an apartment (although i am looking into apartments). We are living in one for 3 years but for the prices they are asking now i prefer to pay the same for a house with some space outside so that my child can play freely while getting some sun. Although so far is just wishful thinking.

    Write a letter to the allocations officer in city hall.

    Those on the list longest don't always get first preference.

    People with children are looked at as more in need than a single person unless there are underlying reasons.

    When we had our first 2 kids my O/H was living with her parents while I was in a bedsit.

    Only when baby number 3 was on the way and a house came up at the same time in our preferred area did we manage to secure it.

    Have you had any offers to date?

    If you take HAP that removes you from the housing waiting list as far as I know as you are deemed housed.

    It is the same as R.A.S basically is my understanding.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭tanit


    Hesthea wrote: »
    i have been to threshold. They have read and made copies of my lease and even the letter about the rent increase and later then the termination notice. Made a case with PRTB and will have a hearing with them soon. My landlord meanwhile gave me another termination letter with the missing documents to be considered a valid one.

    3 days after the last viewing of the place, they phoned me informing me i have to leave the house at the end of termination because they sold the place.

    The reason i'm advancing with PRTB hearing is because i want to be heard. I am a tenant and i feel i have no rights whatsoever. I have a written lease. Always paid on time and took well care of the place as if it were my own. Still i have to leave when i have nowhere to go even though i am on receipt of HAP because i am discriminated for being a lone parent and HAP.

    i have references from my employer and landlord. A full time job and still cant get a place. Does any of this makes any sense? In a society so pro life (as it likes to call itself) being discriminated because of it is pure hypocrisy.

    Considering your situation with your current landlord I wouldn't use that reference when looking for a place.

    In any case I wish you the best with your situation and hope you get a proper hearing. And it's definitely worth trying going to the council and telling them your situation, as other people have said cases like yours get moved upwards in the list regardless of when they apply.

    Best of luck and best wishes to you and anyone like you in your situation. I'm sorry I can't offer better advice or help

    :(:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 201 ✭✭Hesthea


    KC161 wrote: »

    Write a letter to the allocations officer in city hall.

    (...)

    Have you had any offers to date?

    If you take HAP that removes you from the housing waiting list as far as I know as you are deemed housed.

    It is the same as R.A.S basically is my understanding.

    Its the fist time i'm in such situation and to be honest i have no idea how should i write a letter to the allocations office. When i went to city hall and explained my situation when giving the documents for a social house what they told me is that there is nothing they can do except for me to check their website and choose the accommodations i think that are good for me but since they are all 3 or 4 bed houses/ apt. i won't be having any since we are a family of 2 only.

    What i was told is that even if i'm on HAP i will still be on the housing list even though its a different type of list and can be moved to the preferred one anytime.

    Don't know what RAS is.

    tanit wrote: »
    Considering your situation with your current landlord I wouldn't use that reference when looking for a place.

    In any case I wish you the best with your situation and hope you get a proper hearing. And it's definitely worth trying going to the council and telling them your situation, as other people have said cases like yours get moved upwards in the list regardless of when they apply.

    Best of luck and best wishes to you and anyone like you in your situation. I'm sorry I can't offer better advice or help

    :(:(

    The problem is that its the only reference i have and nowadays everyone asks for references from landlords even if they are not obligated to give you one much less in writing.

    Already tried to talk with them but their answer is always the same. There are more people in my situation so there is nothing they can do.


    And thank you =)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    OP as I was falling asleep last night, remembered someone here talking about getting help from a voluntary housing association?

    And also that I was offered such when my problems started.

    Can anyone here help with that please? Was it CLWD?

    They might well help in these circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Graces7 wrote: »
    OP as I was falling asleep last night, remembered someone here talking about getting help from a voluntary housing association?

    And also that I was offered such when my problems started.

    Can anyone here help with that please? Was it CLWD?

    They might well help in these circumstances.

    Sounds like cluid they won't deal with the op ,they would have to apply for one of their properties though the choice based lettings , who the council will then allow to be placed but with zero time on the housing list the op has at least an 8-10 + year wait to be housed unfortunately


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