Coming soon to a road near you: vehicle tracking

I suppose it was only a matter of time before this happened, the (Chinese) authorities have made vehicle tracking mandatory!

How long before this spreads to other parts of the world and arrives here, just think of the opportunities such a system provides, tolling, speed checking etc.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-39038364
Chinese authorities in part of the western Xinjiang region have ordered all vehicles to be installed with satellite tracking devices as part of a crackdown on terrorism.
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Drivers in the Bayingol area who refuse to install the system will not be allowed to buy fuel.
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The vehicle-tracking programme will use China's homegrown Beidou satellite navigation system, which was launched to reduce reliance on the US's global positioning system (GPS).

A major loss of privacy (if you don't carry a mobile phone everywhere).

CalamariFritti

Sure why not have implants

and soylent green.

This arriving in other parts of the world (here) is not inevitable. It only is when the sheep let it happen.

Arcade_Tryer

Deleted User wrote: »

How long before this spreads to other parts of the world and arrives here

A long time. Perhaps never. People seem to forget that China is a Communist country, which has merely adopted some aspects of Capitalism. Facebook is still mostly banned there ffs.

biko

It'll be a long time before it's even all over China.
So a long time I'd say.

CiniO

We already have some of that with insurers offering tracking devices...
While at the moment it's not obligatory, for many that's the only affordable option to drive.

As was said above - China is communist country so it's understandable there.

I can't understand though that kind of practices in Ireland, which is supposed to be a free country (less and less).

Eric Cartman

CiniO wrote: »

We already have some of that with insurers offering tracking devices...
While at the moment it's not obligatory, for many that's the only affordable option to drive.

As was said above - China is communist country so it's understandable there.

I can't understand though that kind of practices in Ireland, which is supposed to be a free country (less and less).

Cars already adding wifi hotspots and connected features (LTE has GPS tracking for E911 rules in the US) Also all autonomous cars will be tracked

Atlantic Dawn

I thought there was some rule passed in the EU to make some kind of automatic SOS system mandatory in your car that automatically reports your vehicles position in a crash in all cars on sale in the near future?

mikeecho

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I thought there was some rule passed in the EU to make some kind of automatic SOS system mandatory in your car that automatically reports your vehicles position in a crash in all cars on sale in the near future?

I was just about to post saying that.

I definitely remember reading about such a proposal.

Edit

http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8512845/ecall-europe-emergency-call-2018

Arcade_Tryer

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

A long time. Perhaps never. People seem to forget that China is a Communist country, which has merely adopted some aspects of Capitalism. Facebook is still mostly banned there ffs.

China is communist in name only, it is really an autocratic state.
Some countries in the west are going in the direction of a police state, so this is really a small step for such countries,

I could easily see it being introduced in the US like many of the other "security" measures this century.
I expect it will be introduced, initially as a car anti theft tracker and insurance companies will offer reduced premiums for their use as they will also track speed & direction before a crash. Then after a few years they become standard factory fit equipment, then eventually mandatory for all road vehicles.

15 to 20 years at a guess.

mikeecho

[Deleted User] wrote: »

China is communist in name only, it is really an autocratic state.
Some countries in the west are going in the direction of a police state, so this is really a small step for such countries,

I could easily see it being introduced in the US like many of the other "security" measures this century.
I expect it will be introduced, initially as a car anti theft tracker and insurance companies will offer reduced premiums for their use as they will also track speed & direction before a crash. Then after a few years they become standard factory fit equipment, then eventually mandatory for all road vehicles.

15 to 20 years at a guess.

eCall
Could be here in 1.5 to 2 yrs


https://ec.europa.eu/digital-single-market/en/news/ecall-all-new-cars-april-2018

newacc2015

China is different. In China you will be driving down a street and see flashing. They monitor everyone moving around the country. You can't buy a train ticket for going outside a city without showing your ID ( which they record in the system). If you drive from one city to another, you have to tell them you are doing that in a police station. You can't check into a hotel without your ID being recorded. China is a police state. They are super afraid a revolution, so they monitor everyone moving around the place.

Imagine going from Cork to Dublin and having to have the Gardai record your movement. Well that is the norm in China. China is not doing it for speeding, tolls etc. They want to control their citizens lives.

Arcade_Tryer

CiniO wrote: »

We already have some of that with insurers offering tracking devices...

I still don't understand how they're allowed to insist on some of their requirements such as excessive braking. Insurance companies are not Government regulatory authorities , and so should not be dictating how a person drives their vehicle, so long as that person is driving in accordance with the various laws and rules of the road. More pernicious behaviour from insurance companies, who can seemingly do as they wish in this country.

Arcade_Tryer

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

I still don't understand how they're allowed to insist on some of their requirements such as excessive braking. Insurance companies are not Government regulatory authorities , and so should not be dictating how a person drives their vehicle, so long as that person is driving in accordance with the various laws and rules of the road. More pernicious behaviour from insurance companies, who can seemingly do as they wish in this country.

Insurance companies, have only one primary objective, and that is to ensure the shareholders get a good return. Anything that can be done to spot the high risk drivers will be employed to load their premiums to reduce the Insurance companies expenses when they crash is a good thing (for the shareholders).

Cabaal

CiniO wrote: »

I can't understand though that kind of practices in Ireland, which is supposed to be a free country (less and less).

I'd take Ireland any day over the USA, which is certainly not the "land of the free".

uck51js9zml2yt

The sole purpose of it is to "track" Uiygar insurgents ( read oppress the Uiygar population"

Unless the Irish government want to do the same here it won't happen.

CreepingDeath

The idea of them not letting you buy fuel unless you have a tag is a fairly effective method of enforcing compliance.

In America they I heard that some tolling booths automatically issue speeding fines if they detect you were speeding (average speed recordings).

If the government here forced everyone to install the state equivalent of those toll tags on their windscreen, they could introduce very effective average speed detection on the motorways.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Arcade_Tryer wrote: »

A long time. Perhaps never. People seem to forget that China is a Communist country, which has merely adopted some aspects of Capitalism. Facebook is still mostly banned there ffs.

It's a real pity the rest of the world wouldn't ban Facebook too.

PaulK_CCI

CreepingDeath wrote: »

In America they I heard that some tolling booths automatically issue speeding fines if they detect you were speeding (average speed recordings).

That system is already in place in several areas here in Holland where there is a speed restriction. All vehicles are logged via their license plate at the beginning of the speed restricted zone and logged again when they leave the speed restricted zone (and this could be between as litle as 2 miles and much as 50 miles or more). Computers calculate how fast you went through the zone and issue a ticket if you speeded. I had a speeding fine once of exceeding the speed limit with 2 km's through the 6km tunnel here in the South-West !!!

Dartz

As you all know, people who have nothing to hide, have nothing to fear....

Which is why all sane people are panicking.

Dord

It's already here, it's just that the marketing is better outside China. See GM OnStar, BMW ConnectedDrive, Volvo On Call etc.