Number of unemployed fell by 40,000 in 2016 - CSO (Bull?)

arkrow

Is this bull? I think this is bull.

The number of people in unemployment fell by 40,000 last year, leaving the unemployment rate at 7.1%.

This is the lowest unemployment rate since the second quarter of 2008.

The figures come from the latest quarterly national household surgery, the official measure of employment and unemployment in the state, carried out by the Central Statistics Office.

The number of people in work increased by 3.3% last year, or 65,000. This brought the number of people in employment to 2,048,100.

This was the 17th quarter in a row in which employment increased.

There were 147,000 people classed as unemployed at the end of 2016, a drop of 21% from the same period a year previously.



The number of unemployed people has fallen on an annual basis in every quarter since the end of September 2012.

The biggest increase in employment came in the construction sector, which added 11,000 jobs.

The long-term unemployment rate – those who have been out of work for more than a year fell from 4.7% to 3.6% over the course of the year.

At 79,700 the number of long-term unemployed represents 54% of all unemployed people.

Do unemployed folk forced into community welfare schemes count as employed?

Can the figures be dug down into? If these are real jobs, are they zero hour or 16 hour a week worthless jobs where the person is better off on the dole?

I read a piece on obama the other day and all the crap jobs his admin created (zero hour) so to fluff the figures, the UK has been at the same for years.

Shenshen

Do they also create all those 0 hour traffic jams I get stuck in regularly on my way to work these days?
I would have said employment is up just based on how much more traffic there is at 7am. Or do you think they're all just driving in to collect their dole money?

Avatar MIA

arkrow wrote: »

If these are real jobs, are they zero hour or 16 hour a week worthless jobs where the person is better off on the dole?

If you are in part time employment you may be eligible for dole.

And who is forcing these people into CE schemes. How is this not making the news. Do they use Alsatians dogs?

jimgoose

In all fairness there is a bit of a pick-up in construction and agriculture, as well as a steady number of new high-tech jobs coming on-stream. Be careful with figures like that that refer to unemployment decrease rather than employment increase - according to the CSO over 23,000 Irish nationals emigrated in 2015, and around 10,500 in 2016, although that would appear to be slowing fast.

Geuze

arkrow wrote: »

Is this bull? I think this is bull.


Can the figures be dug down into? If these are real jobs, are they zero hour or 16 hour a week worthless jobs where the person is better off on the dole?

See the raw data here:

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/qnhs/quarterlynationalhouseholdsurveyquarter42016/

ILO Labour Force Classification

The primary classification used for the QNHS results is the ILO (International Labour Office) labour force classification. Labour Force Survey data on this basis have been published since 1988. The ILO classification distinguishes the following main subgroups of the population aged 15 or over:

In Employment: Persons who worked in the week before the survey for one hour or more for payment or profit, including work on the family farm or business and all persons who had a job but were not at work because of illness, holidays etc. in the week.

Unemployed: Persons who, in the week before the survey, were without work and available for work within the next two weeks, and had taken specific steps, in the preceding four weeks, to find work. It should be noted that as per Eurostat’s operational implementation, the upper age limit for classifying a person as unemployed is 74 years.

Inactive Population (not in labour force): All other persons.

The labour force comprises persons employed plus unemployed.

Chips Lovell

The Live Register stats always include a breakdown of the number of people in Employment activation schemes (including Back to Work Allowance, Community Employment Scheme, JobBridge etc). It was 71,828 in December 2016, down from 81,309 a year earlier.

jimgoose

Geuze wrote: »

See the raw data here:

http://www.cso.ie/en/releasesandpublications/er/qnhs/quarterlynationalhouseholdsurveyquarter42016/

Mmm. Looks kosher then.

meeeeh

Employment definitely increased. There is quite a bit of a difference looking for new employees to a couple of years ago. Even in Midlands.

Geuze

arkrow wrote: »

Do unemployed folk forced into community welfare schemes count as employed?

To be classified as employed, you must have worked in the week before the survey for one hour or more for payment or profit, including work on the family farm or business and all persons who had a job but were not at work because of illness, holidays etc. in the week.

So whether you are receiving JSA/JSB are all irrelevant.

What matters is the above definition.

Permabear

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PARlance

arkrow wrote: »

Is this bull? I think this is bull.



Do unemployed folk forced into community welfare schemes count as employed?

Can the figures be dug down into? If these are real jobs, are they zero hour or 16 hour a week worthless jobs where the person is better off on the dole?

I read a piece on obama the other day and all the crap jobs his admin created (zero hour) so to fluff the figures, the UK has been at the same for years.

Yes, there is always a bit of fluff around these things but as long as it's consistent, it doesn't really matter.

Things are improving and they have been for a while.

murpho999

Permabear wrote: »

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Stop using reliable sources like the CSO or any logic that statistics may provoke.

The OP doesn't believe it, as simple as that.

Nothing to back up the argument.

No proof of zero hour contracts.

Probably formed opinion from such informed places as The Journal.ie comments section.

AlanG

I wish the media would only talk about the number of FTE jobs in the economy and not about unemployment. The OP and many others are probably skeptical because gov sources previously made a big deal about falling unemployment that was primarily caused by emigration. At the time the media sucked it up and spat it out.

That said it is obvious from the traffic around Dublin at least that economic activity has increased significantly.

astrofool

As long as the way it's measured stays the same, than it is correct. Not sure how a zero hour contract where the person generally works 40 hour weeks is a "worthless job and better off on the dole".

During college I worked a "zero hour" contract part time, was I not employed? Was I not working a job?

doc11

We are only a few percent from full employment.

Mrs OBumble

Avatar MIA wrote: »

And who is forcing these people into CE schemes. How is this not making the news. Do they use Alsatians dogs?

Some people are encouraging onto schemes because they need to prove they are available for work. And some are encouraged onto them because they have to get over the problems which make them unattractive to employers.

This is how it should be.

draiochtanois

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jimgoose

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Yes, so I see now. This appears to be on the level, oddly enough. :pac:

Cina

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