Young farmer woes

larthehar

So apparently, a young farmer is defined as 5years from the date you started farming.. so what date is started farming? Date herd number is granted?

Muckit

What is this in relation to? If you are talking about a young farmer as in the young farmer scheme, then you are classed as one if under 40 and have completed or enrolled on a green cert course. It has nothing got to do with years farming. Sure we were all in wellies before the age of 5!

Pidae.m

Think most lads are farmers from 5 years old so !

larthehar wrote: »

So apparently, a young farmer is defined as 5years from the date you started farming.. so what date is started farming? Date herd number is granted?

larthehar

Muckit wrote: »

What is this in relation to? If you are talking about a young farmer as in the young farmer scheme, then you are classed as one if under 40 and have completed or enrolled on a green cert course. It has nothing got to do with years farming. Sure we were all in wellies before the age of 5!

Sorry Muckit, TAMS 60% grant vs 40%.. may have missed the boat on the 60%.. checked it and own herd no was granted Feb 2012..

Muckit

I think tams is the same criteria as what I said. I don't know if years farming comes into it. Check the full terms and conditions on DAFM website.

larthehar

Muckit wrote: »

I think tams is the same criteria as what I said. I don't know if years farming comes into it. Check the full terms and conditions on DAFM website.

(ii) Meet the requirements of set-up for the first time within five years of the date of receipt of an application under this Scheme;

“date of set-up” means the earliest of the following dates:

• date of joining a Teagasc Milk Production Partnership or Department registered Farm Partnership;

• date of application for registering as a sole or joint user of a herd number/other Department identifier:

larthehar

larthehar wrote: »

(ii) Meet the requirements of set-up for the first time within five years of the date of receipt of an application under this Scheme;

“date of set-up” means the earliest of the following dates:

• date of joining a Teagasc Milk Production Partnership or Department registered Farm Partnership;

• date of application for registering as a sole or joint user of a herd number/other Department identifier:

Didn't think to look of website, well that's me goosed so.. should have done it last year..

Timmaay

larthehar wrote: »

Didn't think to look of website, well that's me goosed so.. should have done it last year..

It's a very common pitfall unfortunately, a young lad gets a herd number to buy afew animals under his own name while say he is working full time and his dad still farming away, the young lad comes home say 3 or 4yrs later to setup a partnership, which is when he starts proper farming, and assumes he has 5yrs from then, but he doesn't.

larthehar

Timmaay wrote: »

It's a very common pitfall unfortunately, a young lad gets a herd number to buy afew animals under his own name while say he is working full time and his dad still farming away, the young lad comes home say 3 or 4yrs later to setup a partnership, which is when he starts proper farming, and assumes he has 5yrs from then, but he doesn't.

Any leniency in this at all? The 09/02/2012 and today is the 19th.. 10days outside.. feic sake..

Timmaay

larthehar wrote: »

Any leniency in this at all? The 09/02/2012 and today is the 19th.. 10days outside.. feic sake..

I really don't think so, but contact one of the tams offices, they are quite useful for information and do actually answer the phone to you unlike many other department offices ha.

But anyways I really think it's something the likes of macra and the ifa should be flagging heavily, that if you are a budding young farmer and want to keep your 5 calves or whatever be very very careful about going and getting a herd number if you do plan on farming full time Iater on.

larthehar

Timmaay wrote: »

I really don't think so, but contact one of the tams offices, they are quite useful for information and do actually answer the phone to you unlike many other department offices ha.

But anyways I really think it's something the likes of macra and the ifa should be flagging heavily, that if you are a budding young farmer and want to keep your 5 calves or whatever be very very careful about going and getting a herd number if you do plan on farming full time Iater on.

My teagasc advisor who is usually on the money didn't advise me.. which is a balls.. worth a call anyways to TAM i guess..

farawaygrass

I got got caught too for tams. It's a disgrace. I know lots of lots that got herd numbers that were late teens early twenties that will miss out.

White Clover

I have a herd number with 10 years and am under 35. Am I entitled to 60% tams?

larthehar

White Clover wrote: »

I have a herd number with 10 years and am under 35. Am I entitled to 60% tags?

Unfortunately not.. need to be less than 5yrs..

White Clover

larthehar wrote: »

Unfortunately not.. need to be less than 5yrs..

Cheers, i thought as much.

Timmaay

farawaygrass wrote: »

I got got caught too for tams. It's a disgrace. I know lots of lots that got herd numbers that were late teens early twenties that will miss out.

Is it worth getting onto the likes of the ifa/macra so and trying some lobbying to see if it can be changed if it is this widespread.

ganmo

its hard to lobby for change in a definition after its been in use for a few years

larthehar

Rang the TAMS section in dept.. nothing that can be done.. 11days over...
Others be warned move now if you want to qualify for 60%!