Ticket for no tax displayed - any point contesting?

dulpit

Hey,

Got a ticket Tuesday, failure to display tax. Car is taxed, but fair cop - the tax disc was foolishly stick in a cupboard at home. I assume there is 0 point in contesting such a ticket?

Cheensbo

Ticket is for non display, doesn't take into consideration whether it's taxed or not.

It's one for the chin, unfortunately.

vandriver

Does the cupboard have a valid NCT?

Teddington Cuddlesworth

You would want an incredibly solid excuse for it being in a cupboard and not in your car.
A "I forgot to put it in the car" excuse won't cut it

hargo

Write to FOS office and attach a verified copy of tax disc. Make your excuse and let us know how you got on. You have plenty of time

kilianmanning

As said it's for non display so unlikely to get anywhere. Worth a try all the same if the disc was dated for when the fine was issued.

thomas anderson.

I did it once, tax disc was late coming out

Got away with it and all (even because of those pesky kids)

Donal55

dulpit wrote: »

Hey,

Got a ticket Tuesday, failure to display tax. Car is taxed, but fair cop - the tax disc was foolishly stick in a cupboard at home. I assume there is 0 point in contesting such a ticket?

Was it a garda or traffic warden that issued the ticket. If it was the LA it could be worth contesting.

ederkeh

My missus got a ticket for tax non display in mullingar last year. Disc was in the post & arrived 2 days later. I contacted council & explained it with photocopy & they cancelled the fine.
Worth a try to contact them for sure!

Rippy

My partner had managed to put the new tax disc in the holder behind the old disc ...
She downloaded appeal form and wrote to Cork city Council the day the warden issued the ticket , with photocopy of tax disc and full explanation of what happened .
Result was they rejected appeal on the basis fine was failure to display . €60 fine.
Lovely beauracrats .....

elperello

The sooner we move into the 21st century and do away with tax discs the better.
You are supposed to have three bits of paper stuck to your windscreen ie. tax,Nct and insurance.
Walk around any car park and its easy to find cars which are non compliant some by months.

Alun

elperello wrote: »

The sooner we move into the 21st century and do away with tax discs the better.

I agree.

Not only that, but apparently the "discs" aren't actually considered proof of anything anyway, as you're often required to produce original certs at the Garda station in some circumstances, so really, what is the point of them?

Macy0161

elperello wrote: »

The sooner we move into the 21st century and do away with tax discs the better.

100% agree, but then I also look forward to all the threads about how it isn't fair/ shooting fish in a barrel when ANPR camera's are rolled out and you simply can't get away with no tax/ insurance/ nct...

colm_mcm

elperello wrote: »

The sooner we move into the 21st century and do away with tax discs the better.
You are supposed to have three bits of paper stuck to your windscreen ie. tax,Nct and insurance.
Walk around any car park and its easy to find cars which are non compliant some by months.

Surely that's all the more reason to have them?

PaulK_CCI

Macy0161 wrote: »

elperello wrote: »

The sooner we move into the 21st century and do away with tax discs the better.

100% agree, but then I also look forward to all the threads about how it isn't fair/ shooting fish in a barrel when ANPR camera's are rolled out and you simply can't get away with no tax/ insurance/ nct...

Here in Holland this system is already in place for years and years. No stickers or other rubbish cluttering your front windscreen. Tax/Insurance/NCT is computerised and you just get your fine in the post if either of them is not in place. For Tax you have to be registered somewhere on the road, for NCT and Insurance the computer does automated random checks to find vehicles that do not have insurance or that are well past their NCT. If you failed to have your car "declared off-road/SORN" you could find a fine of 350euro's plus on the mat!
I'd say if this system would be introduced in Ireland, there'd be a huge increase in the number of fines and court cases :-)

Donal55

PaulK_CCI wrote: »

Here in Holland this system is already in place for years and years. No stickers or other rubbish cluttering your front windscreen. Tax/Insurance/NCT is computerised and you just get your fine in the post if either of them is not in place. For Tax you have to be registered somewhere on the road, for NCT and Insurance the computer does automated random checks to find vehicles that do not have insurance or that are well past their NCT. If you failed to have your car "declared off-road/SORN" you could find a fine of 350euro's plus on the mat!
I'd say if this system would be introduced in Ireland, there'd be a huge increase in the number of fines and court cases :-)

Ah but that's Holland. Slight difference between Arnhem and Abbeyleix.

Delacent

Just tell them that it was inserted behind an old disc and you ahve now disposed of the old disc.

Send them copy of the current disc.

In most cases they'll let you off.

Cheensbo

Donal55 wrote: »

Ah but that's Holland. Slight difference between Arnhem and Abbeyleix.

One's grey and depressing....





and the other is in Laois?

Isambard

Delacent wrote: »

Just tell them that it was inserted behind an old disc and you ahve now disposed of the old disc.

Send them copy of the current disc.

In most cases they'll let you off.

Lie you mean?

Alun

PaulK_CCI wrote: »

Here in Holland this system is already in place for years and years.

Yes, I left the Netherlands in 2001, and they'd already got rid of the "Deel III" (car tax) bit of paper a couple of years before that IIRC. There never was an insurance "disc", you just carried your insurance green card around with you along with your driving licence etc. For the APK (NCT equivalent) there was a sticker on the number plate, but I think they may have done away with that too.

One difference, at least when I was there, was that motor tax was handled by the Belastingdienst, equivalent to Revenue here, rather than a separate authority, and you mess with them at your peril. You get a renewal in the post and if you don't pay it, you get a fine, simples.

SBPhoto

vandriver wrote: »

Does the cupboard have a valid NCT?

and insurance

Buffman

dulpit wrote: »

Hey,

Got a ticket Tuesday, failure to display tax. Car is taxed, but fair cop - the tax disc was foolishly stick in a cupboard at home. I assume there is 0 point in contesting such a ticket?

Hi, no need to contest it, get it cancelled.

Category A
Cancellation requests falling within this category include –

.................

In relation to an FCN for non-display of motor tax or insurance disc, motor tax had been taken out or applied for, or in the case of the non display of an insurance disc motor insurance was in place, at the time of the alleged offence.

................
In the case of a fixed charge notice issued for non-display of a current tax disc –
- An application will be considered if the vehicle was taxed at the time but the tax disc was accidentally removed from the vehicle or lost prior to the issue of the FCN, while an application will be refused if the vehicle wasn’t taxed and the applicant cannot provide evidence that an application for motor tax had been made prior to the issuing of the FCN.

Donal55

Isambard wrote: »

Lie you mean?

What's wrong with lying.
Enda Kenny swears by it.

dulpit

Buffman wrote: »

Hi, no need to contest it, get it cancelled.

Interesting, will have to check that out.

In my defence my small fella has been sick last few months (in Crumlin atm), but fair cop on it bring stuck in envelope.

Will probably pay tbh...

uck51js9zml2yt

Donal55 wrote: »

Ah but that's Holland. Slight difference between Arnhem and Abbeyleix.

It's being looked at here.

Buffman

dulpit wrote: »

Will probably pay tbh...

Don't pay without at least attempting to get it cancelled, it's simple enough to do.

http://www.garda.ie/Controller.aspx?Page=13233

If you were fined by a council warden and not a Garda, appeal to the council.

Irish Steve

Alun wrote: »

I agree.

Not only that, but apparently the "discs" aren't actually considered proof of anything anyway, as you're often required to produce original certs at the Garda station in some circumstances, so really, what is the point of them?

The point of having them, along with things like a certificate of test from a DOE centre that had to be replaced with a certificate of roadworthiness at the local road tax office (now at last done away with) was to provide employment for droves of civil servants so that the government could boast about higher overall employment figures, and the civil service system could make the government even more dependent on their services.

The fact that many of these "services" were not actually really needed in the way that they were or are provided is just an inconvenient truth that is ignored "for the good of the system".

The same could ( and probably should) be said about the number of other state services that are duplications of information and systems that really should by now have been centralised and merged.

Driving licences, social welfare cards, medical cards, all state services, yet there is no common link, and the numbers of people managing them is significant, and expensive. At this stage, it really should be possible to have state services that are coordinated, but the unfortunate reality is that there is no will to make that sort of change happen, partly because even if it did happen, there's no way to then deal with the massive numbers of staff that would need to be redeployed, and the unions would have a field day with disputes over the changes and new practices that would come about.

Delacent

Donal55 wrote: »

What's wrong with lying.
Enda Kenny swears by it.

Enda is in the hapenny place when compared to Trump.

Alan_007_

copied and pasted from a reply I made to a similar thread - might be of some use:

http://www.garda.ie/Co...ller.aspx?Page=13233

Not sure if it's mentioned in this page, but there's a form that you can download and fill out to appeal the fine.

It says a bit about how you can appeal the fine for non display if the tax is actually paid for, down towards the bottom of the page.

elperello

colm_mcm wrote: »

Surely that's all the more reason to have them?

No, it's proof that the current system doesn't work.

mikeecho

Alun wrote: »

I agree.

Not only that, but apparently the "discs" aren't actually considered proof of anything anyway, as you're often required to produce original certs at the Garda station in some circumstances, so really, what is the point of them?

That applies for insurance discs, as the disc doesn't specify who is actually insured.

The tax disc is a complete document.

CalamariFritti

elperello wrote: »

The sooner we move into the 21st century and do away with tax discs the better.
You are supposed to have three bits of paper stuck to your windscreen ie. tax,Nct and insurance.
Walk around any car park and its easy to find cars which are non compliant some by months.

Couldn't agree more. Three stacks of paper bits glued to the windscreen looks manky too.

Donal55

Delacent wrote: »

Enda is in the hapenny place when compared to Trump.

Eh, I dont think so. Trump told us he'd build the wall.
Kenny said we had soldiers defending the ATMs.

elperello

Donal55 wrote: »

Eh, I dont think so. Trump told us he'd build the wall.
Kenny said we had soldiers defending the ATMs.

Completely off topic but I always thought that was the strangest statement he ever made. Would you not just take the money out of the ATMs and let the soldiers go home?

allthedoyles

Taxing a car should be enough . having to display it is ridiculous in this day and age

mikeecho

allthedoyles wrote: »

Taxing a car should be enough . having to display it is ridiculous in this day and age

And how do you prove that it has been taxed... perhaps, display some kind of receipt in the windscreen.

Irish Steve

It should be very simple. Calculate total road tax take for year. Get total number of litres of petrol and diesel sold in year. Divide number of litres by tax take, result is required surcharge per litre of fuel to get same result.

Saving in civil servant numbers, saving in cost of administering tax disc system, saving in roadside checks on tax compliance, totally valid way to tax the high users, and not tax those that don't travel much. Also means that there's no longer a disincentive to vehicle manufacturers to put small underpowered engines in their vehicles, the right size engine is always the most economic, but the smallest may not be the most economic, and also means that a person with a large engine car who doesn't drive much is no longer penalised.

Johnboner

mikeecho wrote: »

And how do you prove that it has been taxed... perhaps, display some kind of receipt in the windscreen.

Same as in every other country in the world.

johndaman66

PaulK_CCI wrote: »

Here in Holland this system is already in place for years and years. No stickers or other rubbish cluttering your front windscreen. Tax/Insurance/NCT is computerised and you just get your fine in the post if either of them is not in place. For Tax you have to be registered somewhere on the road, for NCT and Insurance the computer does automated random checks to find vehicles that do not have insurance or that are well past their NCT. If you failed to have your car "declared off-road/SORN" you could find a fine of 350euro's plus on the mat!
I'd say if this system would be introduced in Ireland, there'd be a huge increase in the number of fines and court cases :-)

Donal55 wrote: »

Ah but that's Holland. Slight difference between Arnhem and Abbeyleix.

What shocks me more than anything is that they also have the NCT in Holland


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