Hybrid or electric car?

Shefwedfan

Ok I am looking for some advice. I currently have 2 cars, I think you call them ICE here :cool: anyway both are big engine diesel guzzlers. I was on company car and diesel was best option. Moved out of company car scheme and now 2 diesel cars don't really work.

At the moment I am spending circa 320 a month on diesel. Each car costs 70-80 to fill and I would fill them twice a month at least. I will be keeping the larger S-MAX as this is used to transport all the family when going away etc

Work in city centre(D4 and wife works in D1). Both of us are required to have cars at office for our jobs. We do a lot of city driving so two large diesel engines are not ideal.

Majority of travel in new car would be around Dublin. 99% of travel. So dropping kids to baby sitter(15km), going to work(60km round trip) etc. So longest journey in day with work would be circa 100km if I have to travel around offices.

If going electric I would want to have my own power point to charge so dont know how that works?

Based on above is there any recommendations? my friend has invested in 2 hybrids(Toyota & Lexus) and says I should go Hybrid. P.S. I do know the Lexus is a Toyota.

I do want a car with decent enough rooms, maybe 2% of its life I will need to carry 3 kids in it. The ability to carry a buggy in boot would be ideal as well.

I have had a quick look and think I will get circa 14-15k as trade in on current car.

unkel

If you are going to keep the S-max diesel and keep that for all your longer trips with the family, then you really shouldn't need a hybrid as the new car. An electric is perfect with your daily max of only 100km. Any of them for sale at the moment can do that range. Big benefit in Ireland about buying a new electric car is that there is a €10k subsidy on it (thank you very much, at long last getting a few of your tax dollars back ), you get a free charger installed at your home and all charging at all public charging points is free (for now)

The one to buy at the moment is the Hyundai Ioniq (if it has enough space for you - go test drive it). It is very efficient (even at motor way speeds) compared to any of the other electric cars, so the range is very decent and the car is cheap to buy but still comes with a high spec. If you can wait a while longer, there are several other new electric cars coming out in the next year or two. The Tesla Model 3 is looking very promising, but that is still a good while away.

bk

To add to what Unkel says above. Yes, you sound like the ideal candidate for a fully electric car. Your daily commute is well without the range of an electric car and it will save you a fortune on fuel costs, while you still have the C-Max for long journeys.

As Unkel says, the Ioniq is currently the top electric car if you want to buy now. However if you don't mind second hand, then there is incredible value with second hand Nissan Leafs.

The Nissan Leaf sounds like it would also meet your needs. It looks a little small from the outside, but it is actually very space inside. Should fit 3 kids and a buggy just fine.

Only issue I see with you going down this route, is that you will probably fall in love with the EV and end up resenting when you have to drive the dirty old C-Max! EV's really are very nice and easy to drive (automatic with great smooth Torque and acceleration), makes for a very pleasant driving experience.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

If you are going to keep the S-max diesel and keep that for all your longer trips with the family, then you really shouldn't need a hybrid as the new car. An electric is perfect with your daily max of only 100km. Any of them for sale at the moment can do that range. Big benefit in Ireland about buying a new electric car is that there is a €10k subsidy on it (thank you very much, at long last getting a few of your tax dollars back ), you get a free charger installed at your home and all charging at all public charging points is free (for now)

The one to buy at the moment is the Hyundai Ioniq (if it has enough space for you - go test drive it). It is very efficient (even at motor way speeds) compared to any of the other electric cars, so the range is very decent and the car is cheap to buy but still comes with a high spec. If you can wait a while longer, there are several other new electric cars coming out in the next year or two. The Tesla Model 3 is looking very promising, but that is still a good while away.

Didn't realize the free charge point at home was still available. That is huge plus.

I looked at the Tesla but I would think from website it would be late 2018 before it would come.

I like the look of the Ioniq and that is really why I started to look at full electric. I have fired a request into local dealer to see if he wants to do a deal....waiting for feedback. According to Hyundai valuer on website I should be getting 14.5k-17.5k for my own car based on condition. I know this is probably more on the positive side but not a bad starting point.

What is range on the current Ioniq? the website is very very poor....

Shefwedfan

bk wrote: »

Only issue I see with you going down this route, is that you will probably fall in love with the EV and end up resenting when you have to drive the dirty old C-Max! EV's really are very nice and easy to drive (automatic with great smooth Torque and acceleration), makes for a very pleasant driving experience.

The S-MAX is a big dirty automatic as well. Cloud of smoke out of her every morning....fill your lungs with goodness :P

Never drove a Electric car so will be interested to see how it goes, garage 5 min up road does Nissan & Hyundai so I think I will call in tomorrow....

bk

Shefwedfan wrote: »

What is range on the current Ioniq? the website is very very poor....

Range on EV's can vary greatly depending on weather and city driving versus motorway, which makes it hard to give a definitive answer.

However I think you should expect about 150km in even worst conditions and 200km or more is possible in best case.

MaceFace

What about PHEVs?
You get 7500 back from government and the free home charger installed. Range anxiety is also non existent.
Saying that, I don't know what PHEVs are available and whether they are any good.

stesaurus

MaceFace wrote: »

What about PHEVs?
You get 7500 back from government and the free home charger installed. Range anxiety is also non existent.
Saying that, I don't know what PHEVs are available and whether they are any good.

So why bother recommending one then? The OP is ideal for a full Bev and that's where they can make huge savings. They'll have a 2nd car for longer journeys if needed so why would range anxiety come into it?

Shefwedfan

MaceFace wrote: »

What about PHEVs?
You get 7500 back from government and the free home charger installed. Range anxiety is also non existent.
Saying that, I don't know what PHEVs are available and whether they are any good.

Ok Im not up on jargon but PHEV is the plug in hybrid? I can't see any major advantage of a plug in hybrid versus a standard hybrid.

Maybe someone can explain what the advantage would be? My guess would be with the plug in version you could use the battery from start rather than build up battery while driving? am I talking gibberish?

Shefwedfan

s.welstead wrote: »

The OP is ideal for a full Bev and that's where they can make huge savings.

Bev? Is that a few bevvies with the lads? :P

No idea what a Bev is...getting a crash course here

Out of interest, contacted my local dealer, they do Nissan and Hyundai. Guy said he would give me 8.5k for my car. I nearly dropped, pointed out to him that I was already offered 14k from another dealer over phone against a Prius.....also according to Hyundai own website the trade in should be 14.5k - 17.5k......get told the car falls outside there criteria and more or less wasting my time coming up to them if I am looking for more.....
F**k me it is hard to buy a car in Ireland

The plugin hybrids are kind of trainer electric vehicles where you get used to idea of how nice the electric drive is. In case of OP it sounds like a BEV (battery EV) would be a perfect match. We have a 24 kWh LEAF as the only car in the house (also have a camper and a motorbike) but driving the latter two is a pain after getting used to the smooth and economic EV.

A hybrid running costs even when religiously plugged in would end up being much higher due to none in the market having even close to the required 100 km range. Every day you would nervously wait for the moment when the ICE kicks in to spoil the peace.

My reply crossed with yours but you know know that BEV stands for battery electric vehicle as opposed to HEV or PHEV for (Plug-in) hybrid electric vehicle.

Probably difficult enough to get a decent trade in for an expensive car. You'll need to haggle hard and go for the lowest cost of change. Anyway, just test both IONIQ and LEAF and see how it goes first. Another option is to get a nice used 24 kWh LEAF with the money you can get selling your car privately.

MaceFace

The problem in this thread is getting impartial advice. I frequent here a bit but never post because almost all the posts don't seem to entertain anything but fully electric.
There are a few posts in this thread which highlight this and it's unfair on the OP who has no experience and little knowledge of the options.

I drive a PHEV but would not buy a fully electric until it can do a range of 300km and recharging options improved. The problem is not the day to day repeat routine we all generally have but the unknown take a trip to wherever which adds another 50km to the journey and not having to be thinking about how charged the battery is.
However I understand most current BEV owners don't think this way (hence they still own one). But for others this is a nuisance.

I don't know what other PHEVs exist today but I'm guessing their are plenty and many in this forum would know. Therefore it's only fair to be fair to those trying to find out more so they know if it suits their lifestyle.

And as for the comment about a PHEV being a training for fully electric. Nonsense. I honestly never notice when my ICE kicks in. Sure I only have a range of 25km but I still manage to get over 52mpg out of a 2 liter petrol engine.

Shefwedfan

MaceFace wrote: »

I don't know what other PHEVs exist today but I'm guessing their are plenty and many in this forum would know. Therefore it's only fair to be fair to those trying to find out more so they know if it suits their lifestyle.

And as for the comment about a PHEV being a training for fully electric. Nonsense. I honestly never notice when my ICE kicks in. Sure I only have a range of 25km but I still manage to get over 52mpg out of a 2 liter petrol engine.

Out of interest what car do you drive?

bk

MaceFace, PHEV's can be a great option for many people. For instance the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV looks like a very nice PHEV for a person who absolutely wants a SUV. Other then the ridiculously expensive Tesla Model X, no BEV SUV's exist.

I think PHEV can make a lot of sense for SUV's

However in this case, given the OP's needs, a BEV does sound like the best option. The OP already has an ICE for the odd long trips. A PHEV would just end up costing the OP a lot more to buy and operate then a BEV that would easily fit his current needs.

MaceFace

MaceFace wrote: »

And as for the comment about a PHEV being a training for fully electric. Nonsense. I honestly never notice when my ICE kicks in. Sure I only have a range of 25km but I still manage to get over 52mpg out of a 2 liter petrol engine.

What's 52 MPG, 6 l/100? That's about 4 times the cost per kilometer over a BEV if you can get away with night time electricity. For one car family it sounds good but in case of OP who already has access to the second vehicle a BEV makes lots of sense.

The way the BEV range/price ratio is improving (and hopefully the charging networks) I can't see the hybrids being around in the medium term. Lugging around a generator all the time with associated costs involved won't make much sense. And definitely not for a car used locally only.

stesaurus

MaceFace wrote: »

The problem in this thread is getting impartial advice. I frequent here a bit but never post because almost all the posts don't seem to entertain anything but fully electric.
There are a few posts in this thread which highlight this and it's unfair on the OP who has no experience and little knowledge of the options.

I drive a PHEV but would not buy a fully electric until it can do a range of 300km and recharging options improved. The problem is not the day to day repeat routine we all generally have but the unknown take a trip to wherever which adds another 50km to the journey and not having to be thinking about how charged the battery is.
However I understand most current BEV owners don't think this way (hence they still own one). But for others this is a nuisance.

I don't know what other PHEVs exist today but I'm guessing their are plenty and many in this forum would know. Therefore it's only fair to be fair to those trying to find out more so they know if it suits their lifestyle.

And as for the comment about a PHEV being a training for fully electric. Nonsense. I honestly never notice when my ICE kicks in. Sure I only have a range of 25km but I still manage to get over 52mpg out of a 2 liter petrol engine.

Nonsense, nobody here is a Bev fanboy or whatever the equivalent is. The OP is perfect for fully electric and as a result that's the recommendations coming in. Phevs suit others and that's fair enough also.

unkel

MaceFace wrote: »

I drive a PHEV but would not buy a fully electric until it can do a range of 300km

Did you read the OP? He does 100km in his second car and keeping the main car for longer distances.

Now obviously electric cars are far from suitable for people like yourself who do big distances and only have one car, but I find it hilarious that you would describe others in here as electric car fanboys because they recommend an electric car to the OP. Have a look in the mirror here and tell us who isn't giving impartial advice?

MaceFace

unkel wrote: »

Did you read the OP? He does 100km in his second car and keeping the main car for longer distances.

Now obviously electric cars are far from suitable for people like yourself who do big distances and only have one car, but I find it hilarious that you would describe others in here as electric car fanboys because they recommend an electric car to the OP. Have a look in the mirror here and tell us who isn't giving impartial advice?

Hmm. I am in a 2 car house and do 70km on an average day. I've looked at the Leaf for my wife but for various reasons, we ruled it out.

Also I never offered any advice. I asked about PHEVs as The OP obviously has little experience with electric vehicles so a 100km day range could become 150km on the odd day or who knows, maybe more.
I've often come home from work and had to head straight out again to bring the kids to a football game 20km or 30km away. I've pulled in to public charging areas to see them taken or not working.
These are the real world considerations that need to be understood rather than the normal 100km day trips.

So rather than getting defensive about someone asking about an alternative to fully electric, you share some of the details of how living with an electric vehicle will be different to an ICE driver.

Shefwedfan

MaceFace wrote: »

Hmm. I am in a 2 car house and do 70km on an average day. I've looked at the Leaf for my wife but for various reasons, we ruled it out.

Also I never offered any advice. I asked about PHEVs as The OP obviously has little experience with electric vehicles so a 100km day range could become 150km on the odd day or who knows, maybe more.
I've often come home from work and had to head straight out again to bring the kids to a football game 20km or 30km away. I've pulled in to public charging areas to see them taken or not working.
These are the real world considerations that need to be understood rather than the normal 100km day trips.

So rather than getting defensive about someone asking about an alternative to fully electric, you share some of the details of how living with an electric vehicle will be different to an ICE driver.

All valid points but as mentioned before what do you actually drive?

MaceFace

Shefwedfan wrote: »

All valid points but as mentioned before what do you actually drive?

330e

I've 60,200 Kms driven in just over 2 years, who needs a PHEV or Hybrid ? :-)

Shefwedfan

I am looking more towards full electric but is the only option Hyundai Ioniq or Leaf?

Is there anything else out there......

pwurple

That trade-in is daft.

Any way to sell it on your own?

There's an electric golf.

And also another nissan,it's a van /minivan .. depends how many of the kids friends you are busing around. Env200

Range sounds ok to me for an electric anyway. Low mileage and a diesel available as part of the two car family. Should save you some expense if you can sort the trade in.

BMW I3, Renault Zoe, VW E-Golf (over priced)

can't think of anything else right now, apart from tesla of course.

Shefwedfan

pwurple wrote: »

That trade-in is daft.

Any way to sell it on your own?

There's an electric golf.

And also another nissan,it's a van /minivan .. depends how many of the kids friends you are busing around. Env200

Range sounds ok to me for an electric anyway. Low mileage and a diesel available as part of the two car family. Should save you some expense if you can sort the trade in.

Selling on my own would be a real pain to be honest, I would rather trade in. I had a chat with guy and he said I could get maybe 15k if I sell on my own but I don't want the hassle of selling to random person and trying to exchange that amount of cash

I got offered 14k over phone against a Prius, so I thought Hyundai would offer similar, anyway I fired all the details to all the Hyundai garages in Dublin, see what they come back to offer

stesaurus

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I am looking more towards full electric but is the only option Hyundai Ioniq or Leaf?

Is there anything else out there......

Fully electric there's also the Renault Zoe, Tesla's and BMW i3. There are others but they wouldn't be sold directly here.
If you're looking for an extremely fun car then the i3 or Tesla's. Small hatch then Zoe. Standard car then Ioniq, eGolf or Leaf.

cros13

MaceFace wrote: »

330e

The 330e is a great option for someone looking for an introduction to electric driving or who has a commute inside the EV range. Personally I like the 330e, I'll be grabbing one from joe duffy as a loaner the beginning of next month (though physically I fit better in the 5-series, the 3-series has got fierce small).

But the primary reason people have focused in on BEV in this thread is that the OP mentioned a 60km commute, an average daily distance of 100km and that they were keeping the 2nd car.

I'd really appreciate it if you didn't get discouraged by this particular thread. There are often threads here where PHEV would be the ideal option. This forum isn't a BEV owners club.

unkel

MaceFace wrote: »

330e

I'll grant you that's a very smart choice of car. Because of the subsidies it's about the same price as a 318d, is of course far superior in performance and if you mostly do small distances it will cost less to run but will go as far.

And it drives like a BMW, something a Leaf or an Ioniq can't live up to

peposhi

OP, the BEV would be ideal for you. I am saying this from a 1BEV&1ICE family point of view.

The amount of time we used the ICE for a long journey for the last 2 years is total of 1, where I could not dare going to Tralee with a very tight schedule, Newcastle West FCP down, only 24kW Leaf and a baby & wife in the car.
I am moving to a 30kW Leaf as from tomorrow and this 1(one!) off long journey would most likely never happen again in an ICE.

I had the Ioniq for a full day test drive about 3 weeks a go. I actually regretted giving it back - this is how much impressed I was - it is a step above Leaf. If the budget was there, I would have gone for it.

So I vouch for an Ioniq (if you are to pick from what is available on the Irish market). That's an easy range of 200 km city driving and I guarantee you - you would never look back.

Don't be surprised if you actually start fighting with the OH who is taking the BEV in the morning
Oh, and 3 kids in the back seat - not a bother - at all!


So best of luck with whatever you decide and yes - PHEV is really and truly only a stepping stone, so what's the point if BEV fits your daily mileage (even the odd unexpected one)...

bk

Here is why a PHEV isn't really needed for the OP.

The Hyundai Ioniq also comes as a PHEV version and it is expected to cost €3000 more then the BEV version (due to subsidies), so there is that.

Then it would cost the OP about 4 times as much as the BEV per km to fuel it.

Why take on all the additional expense when the OP has a second ICE car for the odd long trip and something like the Ioniq already has close to twice the range of the OP's daily commute.

Financially it just wouldn't make sense. I think the OP would find the Ioniq to save him significant money.

But for other people PHEV's can also be a great option. For a one car home, that does lots of long distance driving or people who want an SUV. And yes the 330e looks like a great, smart option for people considering a 3 series.

hargo

I'm in a somewhat similar position with a big diesel as a second car.. What realistic advances in range are expected in the next 6 to 12 months?

We should "hopefully" get past the 300 Km barrier in 2018, "possibly" by the end of this year.

unkel

I would take any statement like "we should have over 300km range soon" with a large pinch of salt. The brand new Zoe with 40kWh battery should have but does not have a good range. Nothing is going to give a huge improvement over what we have available right now in Ireland in the next 6-12 months

The only thing going to give a good range (300-400km in real life, driving like a normal car, doing a mix incl. decent motorway speeds, even when it's cold) is a car with a 60kWh battery that is extremely aerodynamically efficient (better than 0.24 coefficient of drag)

Expectations are high for the Tesla Model 3, but that car available for sale in Ireland is still several years away...

I didn't say "soon" Mr moderator, !

40 Kwh isn't enough to get to 300 Kms .

unkel

Not aimed at you, I did not say 40kWh is enough, I'm not a moderator here.

slave1

hargo wrote: »

I'm in a somewhat similar position with a big diesel as a second car.. What realistic advances in range are expected in the next 6 to 12 months?

Think you have to balance this question with your budget, Leaf 1.0 and 1.5 are aplenty in 24kWh range, 30kWh starting to dribble onto the UK market now, Ioniq has better range apparently but all of this is irrelevant if outside your budget.

Personally, I'd rather a 30kWh Leaf one year+ old and take the reduced range compared to a Ioniq or Tesla and their respective extra costs.

Shefwedfan

Ok asked around a few places. A good few coming back in 11k range for my own car. The reason for this after doing a bit of looking is the max on PCP is 10k.....maybe I have too good of a car to trade in :-)

One garage said they would give in region of 14k....need to drop out to them

I did wonder, I was sent a video and guy says at shopping centre it would take 30 mins to charge to 80% and at home it would take 8 hours.

Is that correct? the charge point that is put into house takes 8 hours?

I am probably wrong here but I thought you could charge the cars from any house by putting into standard plug socket and it would take 8 hours but when you buy new you get charge point that would be quicker? am I way off?

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I did wonder, I was sent a video and guy says at shopping centre it would take 30 mins to charge to 80% and at home it would take 8 hours.

Is that correct? the charge point that is put into house takes 8 hours?

I am probably wrong here but I thought you could charge the cars from any house by putting into standard plug socket and it would take 8 hours but when you buy new you get charge point that would be quicker? am I way off?

You can technically charge anywhere there is electricity. Its a matter of what cables you have, what current they support and what capacity your battery has.

Roughly speaking these are the figures:

AC Granny cable:
This plugs into a standard 3 pin 13A socket. New Leaf's in Ireland dont come with a granny cable. Alot of UK cars do.

The granny cable will charge at a rate of about 2kWh per hour.

AC 16A charge point (aka EVSE)
This is a special charge point and is what eCars will give you for free if you buy a new EV. This requires a different cable to the granny cable.

A standard Leaf will charge at a little bit more than 3kWh per hour on that

AC 32A EVSE
Same as the 16A EVSE just twice as fast, as long as the car has a 6.6kW charger built-in, so you get about 6kWh there. The Ioniq has this capability by default. Its a €900 optional extra on the Leaf.

DC Rapid charger
The rapid chargers in Ireland can deliver upto 45kW but as the battery "fills up" it starts to throttle back the power it is drawing. 30mins for 80% is a good yardstick but varies across cars and depends on temperature, how low the battery is and the type of car. No cable required for these as the rapids have the cable tethered to them


A Leaf comes in two battery sizes (24 and 30kWh) but its the usable capacity is what matters. The Leaf has 22 and 28kWh's respectively of usable capacity so thats the figure you use to see how long it will take to get to 100%

The Ioniq has 28kWh usable.

e.g. a 30kWh Leaf with 28kWh usable would take 28/6(=4.5hrs) hours on a 32A EVSE to charge from 0-100%. Its not quite as exact as that but its close enough.
e.g. On a granny cable the same car would take 28/2(=14hrs) to go from 0-100%.

Hope that makes sense.

Shefwedfan

Ok from my reading and sorry to go off point. But you get a free point at home which can connect via EVSE?

It mentions Electric Ireland but I use Energia, would I still be entitled to free point?

bk

Excellent post there KCross, worthy of a sticky or FAQ.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Is that correct? the charge point that is put into house takes 8 hours?

If going from 0 to 100%, with a standard 16A EVSE, then yes, about that.

But do remember that you would rarely come home with 0%

Take your daily commute of about 60 to 100km per day. That means most days you would come home with about 100 to 140km range left or somewhere about 50% charge left. So really you would only be charging from about 50% to 100% and that would take only about 4 hours.

But 4 or 8 hours is more or less irrelevant. You plug it in every night and it charges when you sleep (cheapest price are on night rate electricity) and it is fully charged in the morning, good to go (and pre-heated) with ~200km range to go for the day

You shouldn't really think of it like a ICE car and re-fueling. More like how you plug your phone in every night when you go to bed and it is fully charged in the morning and ready to go when you wake up.

bk

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ok from my reading and sorry to go off point. But you get a free point at home which can connect via EVSE?

It mentions Electric Ireland but I use Energia, would I still be entitled to free point?

Yes and Yes, your electricity supplier is irrelevant as it is ESB eCars supplying the charging point. Though owning an EV, it would be worth changing to a Night Rate Meter, might be worth shopping around for the best electricity supplier, with the cheapest night rate.

KCross

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Ok from my reading and sorry to go off point. But you get a free point at home which can connect via EVSE?

It mentions Electric Ireland but I use Energia, would I still be entitled to free point?

An EVSE is what they give you when you buy a newEV. An EVSE is just a "fancy" outdoor socket with some smarts in it to communicate with the car but just think of it as an outdoor socket that can only be used by the car.

Here is an exampe of a tethered one:
https://evonestop.co.uk/shop/chevrolet/chevrolet-volt/wallpod-ev-homecharge-j1772-type-1-16amp/

The eCars one is a different make but the same thing really.

It doesnt matter what energy provider you have.

Shefwedfan

bk wrote: »

Excellent post there KCross, worthy of a sticky or FAQ.



If going from 0 to 100%, with a standard 16A EVSE, then yes, about that.

But do remember that you would rarely come home with 0%

Take your daily commute of about 60 to 100km per day. That means most days you would come home with about 100 to 140km range left or somewhere about 50% charge left. So really you would only be charging from about 50% to 100% and that would take only about 4 hours.

But 4 or 8 hours is more or less irrelevant. You plug it in every night and it charges when you sleep (cheapest price are on night rate electricity) and it is fully charged in the morning, good to go (and pre-heated) with ~200km range to go for the day

You shouldn't really think of it like a ICE car and re-fueling. More like how you plug your phone in every night when you go to bed and it is fully charged in the morning and ready to go when you wake up.

I agree, some excellent information here for newbies

Would you really charge it every night? I would have thought you would plug it in, maybe run it for 2 days till you get down to 20% or so and then charge it,

So if I had 200km in the tank so to speak. Round trip each day is circa 60km. So drive 2 days, do around 150km in those 2 days. So just left with 50km and then I would plug it in...

Or would I just fire it in every night?

bk

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Or would I just fire it in every night?

Most people would just fire it in every night, no reason at all not too. You then have extra range available if you unexpectedly needed it during the day.

The only reason why you mightn't do it every night, is people who don't have a charger at home (living in some apartments, etc.) and charge it at a fast charger every few days.

BTW one other advantage of plugging it every night, is that you come out to a nice and warm, preheated car every morning. Well worth the time to plug it in every night for that 6 months of the year.

cros13

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Would you really charge it every night? I would have thought you would plug it in, maybe run it for 2 days till you get down to 20% or so and then charge it,

You just plug in when you home, the car will charge at the cheap nightsaver rate overnight using it's internal timer and every morning you have a full pack. So if you wanted to pop off to Kerry or whatever on a whim you can do so.

Plugging in takes 5-10 seconds at worst and there's no real reason to avoid doing it.

Only time I'd make a point to leave the car below full and not connected to the chargepoint would be if you're on holiday for a few weeks and it would be just sitting there.

I don't bother fully charging the car when I don't need it or when pottering around, when off shift if not going anywhere I will charge to between 50-80%.

hytrogen

Deleted User wrote:

BMW I3, Renault Zoe, VW E-Golf (over priced)
can't think of anything else right now, apart from tesla of course.

The Jaguar iPace looks the sexiest thing on the way next year, range expected over 500km on a 90kwh battery!

cros13

hytrogen wrote: »

The Jaguar iPace looks the sexiest thing on the way next year, range expected over 500km on a 90kwh battery!

Yeah, they even have me tempted to skip going Tesla for my next car with that one. Depends on how the pricing looks.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

Yeah, they even have me tempted to skip going Tesla for my next car with that one. Depends on how the pricing looks.

Their website says to expect it to be about 10-15% above the price of the F-Pace. Thats €50k+ then, isnt it, for an entry level model?

hargo

I did a test drive in the Leaf and the Ioniq today and really impressed by both. Weird at first certainly but in a good way.
Interested in what people say about comments from Leaf sales man
1. €3000 extra for 30kw version and only 30 Km extra distance, he says not worth it.
2. Don't charge every night unless it is at least down to about 50km as bad for the battery.
3. The real distance for the 24kw Leaf is 140KM
4. Fast charge very bad for battery.

For me I would want to charge the car every night so I know I can go wherever I fancy. I certainly don't like the idea the I have to mind the battery like the ones in power tools years ago. And what's this about fast charge being bad for the battery?