Medjugorje

branie2

Anyone here ever visit the town in Bosnia where Our Lady is still making appearances to six visionaries. Apologies if there are posts about this already.

recedite

Yes I went there. You walk up onto this hill where an apparition is supposed to appear, but nothing happens.

On the plus side, its nice and warm there in the summer, and if you walk around the lanes you can find grapes to eat.

NIMAN

branie2 wrote: »

Anyone here ever visit the town in Bosnia where Our Lady is still making appearances to six visionaries. Apologies if there are posts about this already.

Jez, pity we couldn't get a TV camera up there and record her, would put all the non-believers to shame.;)

hinault

branie2 wrote: »

Anyone here ever visit the town in Bosnia where Our Lady is still making appearances to six visionaries. Apologies if there are posts about this already.

I've never visited Medjugorie.

My sister in law though has visited that Medjugorie several dozen times and she is 100% convinced about the authenticity of the apparitions there.

recedite

hinault wrote: »

I've never visited Medjugorie.

My sister in law though has visited that Medjugorie several dozen times and she is 100% convinced about the authenticity of the apparitions there.

Hmmm... well two questions for you;
1. How would you assess her general mental state? I mean, is she the highly suggestible type? The type that sees a magic show and is convinced that it is all real?

2. If you think she is right, would it not be worth your while going over there for a look? Its no more expensive than a trip to Costa Del Sol, and a guaranteed sighting of a heavenly apparition is not something you get a chance to see every day.
Well, except in Medjugorie of course.

hinault

recedite wrote: »

Hmmm... well two questions for you;
1. How would you assess her general mental state? I mean, is she the highly suggestible type? The type that sees a magic show and is convinced that it is all real?

I'd find it difficult to find someone who is more questioning about a whole range of different issues.

recedite wrote: »

If you think she is right, would it not be worth your while going over there for a look? Its no more expensive than a trip to Costa Del Sol, and a guaranteed sighting of a heavenly apparition is not something you get a chance to see every day. Well, except in Medjugorie of course.

Unlike your kind, I don't try to belittle other peoples views.

How did you manage to get off my ignore list anyhow?

Water John

I know of someone who visits it very often. A little unsettling, perhaps such people need a bit more balance in their lives. Other important things suffer.

recedite

hinault wrote: »

How did you manage to get off my ignore list anyhow?

I did it while distracting you with a puff of smoke, and a mirror.

noel farrell

When you have a simple little village, turned into a huge money making opportunity, and one of the priest's sent away for getting one of the local nuns pregnant, you can guess who is at the back of it. The local bishops says it nonsense, but what would he know , Google medjugoria farce and make up your mind after an informed analysis of the facts ,

Water John

Not a religious person but if in an area, could see myself visit, Knock, which i have done, Lourdes, Fatima, San Giovanni. Would not go to Medjugorge. Sort of fanatical and negative in its world view. Not very christian, in that sense.

Thinkingaboutit

The most basic problem with Medjugorje, the thing that should stop a Catholic giving it consideration, except as something of study, is the local ordinary, the bishop of Mostar has not approved of it. In fact the bishop disapproves of it. So did his predecessor. A result of this was the Gospa, the name given locally to Our Lady, is reported as threatening the bishop. Needless to say, nothing happened. The spiritual director of the children Tomislav Vlasic quit both the priesthood and his Franciscan order to end investigation of sexual misconduct. The visions have bizarre elements like one where supposedly Satan appears, then Our Lady, who then apologises. Another has Our Lady supportive of a universal salvation, not in an ecumenical sense, but that all religions lead to God. Contrary to its defenders, V2 does not support that. The visionaries were easily distracted. One sceptical French camera man discovered he could easily startle the children out of a supposed visionary trance. The visionaries too have become wealthy. That is a contrast to other visionaries, other apparitions, private devotions like Lourdes declared worthy of veneration by the Church. It obviously should be said that no Catholic has to believe in these apparitions, but with Medjugorje, the problems with it, mean that they should not. It is does not matter that Medjugorje has Papal notables and highflyers like Christoph Cardinal Schönborn supporting it (he probably should stick to promoting the worthy cause of the last Emperor, Blessed Karl von Habsburg), it exists in defiance of the local ordinary and the visions themselves are very dubious.

Thinkingaboutit

I'd like to repeat the point that the local ordinary, the Bishop of Mostar-Duvno disapproves of it. That should have been the end of this sorry spectacle.

Rorate Caeli: For the record; Local Bishop confirms Medjugorje is a hoax
'This really is not Our Lady from the Gospel'

The bishop of Mostar-Duvno, His Excellency Ratko Peric, has once again strongly stated the obvious -- the apparitions of Medjugorje are a hoax. In fact, he goes even further, saying they were a form of manipulation from the fake visionaries and priests who benefit from the duped throngs of Catholics who visit the site. His predecessaor, His Excellency Pavao Žanic, also condemned the financial boondoggle of Medjugorje as false.

According to Jutarnji Vijesti, and translated by Total Croatia News, Bishop Peric said: "Considering everything that this diocesan chancery has so far researched and studied, including the first seven days of alleged apparitions, we can say: there have been no apparitions of Our Lady in Medjugorje."

In describing the woman who the fake visionaries say appears, Bishop Peric says: "She often does not speak first, she has a strange laugh, she disappears after certain questions and then returns; she obeys the 'visionaries' and priests to come down from the hill to the church, although reluctantly. She is not sure how much time she will be visible, allows some of the visionaries to stand on her veil which is on the ground, allows others to touch her clothes and body. This really is not Our Lady from the Gospel."

Poor, ignorant Catholics who are duped into spending their time, and money, fueling the lifestyles of these so-called visionaries, need Francis to put an end to this once and for all. The Pope has recently appointed Polish Bishop Henryk Hoser to visit Medjugorje. May he turn to the true Mother of God for guidance and quash this nonsense soon.

Below, watch the video of one of the fake seers, as she flinches during a fake apparition:

Medjugorje is a hoax. The local Bishop confirms that it is.

NIMAN

hinault wrote: »

I've never visited Medjugorie.

My sister in law though has visited that Medjugorie several dozen times and she is 100% convinced about the authenticity of the apparitions there.

100% convinced.

Has she witnessed them herself?

Can you tell us how she is totally convinced?

Thinkingaboutit

NIMAN wrote: »

100% convinced.

Has she witnessed them herself?

Can you tell us how she is totally convinced?

Yes, going there and feeling they are true isn't really evidence of anything.