What in God's name is going on with Cannabis Policy

drunkmonkey

Quick google search, I've listed the last weeks worth of Cannabis news in Ireland, the Garda are gone to war, there's parents being hauled through the courts, little man in Denver can't come home as he'll be a criminal, 3yr old kicked out of crèche in Bantry as crèche refuse to give him cannabis oil which he's legally allowed have. I'll just link to that story but as you can see from the headlines below the Government is at war with it's own people.

The Gardaí are running around like they've a constant supply of crack busting people for dime bags, the Judges are allowing people to walk free when caught with 100 plants growing, The poor chap with the bad back gets 250hrs of labour.
It's all over the place, nobody is in control, is Enda just hitting the bong every day because it sure looks like it.

Three-year-old boy asked to leave pre-school for using cannabis oil treatment
The youngster, who suffers from Dravet Syndrome, was enrolled in Naíonra Bheanntraí by his mother Yvonne last month


Grow house in Carlow, found 250,000

Grown house in Galway, found 450,000

CAFE OWNER who grew cannabis to ease back pain ordered to carry out 240 hours community service

Boy with epilepsy using cannabis oil ‘cannot return to Ireland’

€300,000 worth of cannabis destined for the Kilkenny market seized

Man escapes jail after telling Judge cannabis grow-house was for sick son (caught growing 100 plants, walked away free by Letterkenny judge)

Kildare man gets €350 fine for possession of €5 worth of cannabis

Cannabis seized in Nenagh, The value of the drug was estimated at €25

Cannabis worth an estimated €45 was seized in Birdhill

Cannabis worth €20 was seized at Roscrea

****UPDATE****
Announcement due today in relation to access to medicinal cannabis.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cannabis-should-be-used-to-treat-some-conditions-report-says-1.2970120

nullzero

Won't somebody please think of the stoners!!!!?

FTA69

Dime bag? Where in the name of God are you getting bags of grass for a tenner?

PM sent.

Jack the Stripper

nullzero wrote: »

Won't somebody please think of the stoners!!!!?

I know a stoner, he is electric.

Samuel T. Cogley

Yay the weekly cannabis thread! Some of the jokes are hilarious.

drunkmonkey

Time to put Reggae shark in control, he'll sort the boys in blue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1WVwnxW7Gs

Noveight

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Man escapes jail after telling Judge cannabis grow-house was for sick son (caught growing 100 plants, walked away free by Letterkenny judge)

The bloke definitely came up with that excuse five minutes before the hearing began :P

drunkmonkey

Noveight wrote: »

The bloke definitely came up with that excuse five minutes before the hearing began :P

100 plants walked out the door smiling, there's lads locked up for less. That's 100k street value at least. Happy daze.

Rumpy Pumpy

Extremely dangerous drug.

SEPT 23 1989

Pointless waste of resources whatever end of the political spectrum you are on

K.Flyer

Noveight wrote: »

The bloke definitely came up with that excuse five minutes before the hearing began :P

Maybe if you bothered to take the time to read the article about his son's debilitating condition, you might not be so quick with your remarks.

Derry Dad risked prison for his son

drunkmonkey

Chill, he was having a giggle.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Garda just taking the piss at this stage. :mad:

How?

kowloon

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cannabis worth €20 was seized at Roscrea

darkpagandeath

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Extremely dangerous drug.

Great medical benefits.

drunkmonkey

bubblypop wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The Garda just taking the piss at this stage. :mad:

How?

There fcuking up people's lives for no good reason and it's all walks, from babies to pensioners there a disgrace enforcing a law they know is wrong. There we'll able to kick up when they want. Go fight some real crime.
That €20 found in Roscrea, how much is that going to cost the person and the taxpaper once the cannabis merry go round has spun again, I'd say €5000 at minimum.

drunkmonkey

kowloon wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Cannabis worth €20 was seized at Roscrea

Absolutely unreal. A proud day in the station.

bodhrandude

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Great medical benefits.

And great musical benefits too, look at our roster of counter culture goodness.

endacl

nullzero wrote: »

Won't somebody please think of the stoners!!!!?

I was going to think of the stoners but ... whoah... biscuits....

Arghus

Legalise. Put your money in eye drops shares.

drunkmonkey

Cannabis should be used to treat some conditions, report says
Government-commissioned review recommends the medicinal use of the drug.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cannabis-should-be-used-to-treat-some-conditions-report-says-1.2970120

Announcement due today,
Harris will announce plans for “a compassionate access programme for cannabis-based treatments”.

Let's hope they get it right today.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

100 plants walked out the door smiling, there's lads locked up for less. That's 100k street value at least. Happy daze.

Huh?

You have no idea of condition, how mature they were, how well kept they were, whether they were male or female - it's the females that produce THC etc. etc.

I'd know a few fellows who may want your services if you can take any plant anywhere and generate 1k from it every time. Your capitalisation sounds as useless as the old Garda line that every plant was worth €400.

drunkmonkey

Well if I was from Driminagh and caught with 100 plants I'm sure they'd value it at close to that.

You putting yourself down for access, some nice mature inca and we'd both be still asleep.

Vincent Vega

Does anybody know what actually happens to all the stuff that gets seized?

I mean, is there just some huge incinerator where they lob it in? Or is it being hoarded?
Does it get properly written up, recorded and verified as in weight/size etc or are the shoddy press release estimates as far as we go?

I'd be interested in understanding the protocol followed.
The last thing anybody would want is to see this stuff being badly handled and ending up back on the streets. :rolleyes:

drunkmonkey

All gets burned of a Thursday evening in Templemore

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Well if I was from Driminagh and caught with 100 plants I'm sure they'd value it at close to that.

You putting yourself down for access, some nice mature inca and we'd both be still asleep.

The State used to apply a value of €400 per plant. A long way off €1k.

Down here in Kerry anyone I know who grows it would happily grab €400 for each plant if that meant no questions about plant gender, maturity, health etc.

Vincent Vega

drunkmonkey wrote: »

All gets burned of a Thursday evening in Templemore

Joking aside, I think if say every thursday night Gardai were to organise some sort of Cannabis Social Club in local community centres it could turn out to be an extremely effective form of community policing.
Can think of no better way for both cop and criminal to rehumanise the other.:cool:
I mean, after the initial paranoia had worn off
:pac:

drunkmonkey

Stoned Gardai will be some fun..can't wait.

Stoned Patrol, Stoned Patrol

We'll be there on the bubble

Whenever there's a problem

'Round Our Way

Nóirin and her team of pups

Will come and save the day

Marshall, Rubble, Chase

Rocky, Zuma, Skye

Yeah! They're on the way!

Stoned Patrol, Stoned Patrol

Whenever you're in trouble

Stoned Patrol, Stoned Patrol

We'll be there on the bubble

No bongs too big

No pup's too small

Stoned Patrol, we're on a roll

So here we go, Stoned Patrol

Whoa-oh-oh, Stoned Patrol

Whoa-oh-oh, Stoned Patrol, “Bark!”

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Well if I was from Driminagh and caught with 100 plants I'm sure they'd value it at close to that.

You putting yourself down for access, some nice mature inca and we'd both be still asleep.

The State used to apply a value of €400 per plant. A long way off €1k.

Down here in Kerry anyone I know who grows it would happily grab €400 for each plant if that meant no questions about plant gender, maturity, health etc.

Everything around here seems to be very expensive. Plant worth about €500, it's still €50k worth with 100 plants, it's a fair amount to pass off as for your young lad, you'd have to pay tax on that if selling on the street in Morocco.

Mellor

drunkmonkey wrote: »

...cannabis oil which he's legally allowed have.

It's that actually correct?
I'm aware there's legislation coming through in regards to medicinal uses. But has it been signed yet? If not the above is still illegal

drunkmonkey

Mellor wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

...cannabis oil which he's legally allowed have.

It's that actually correct?
I'm aware there's legislation coming through in regards to medicinal uses. But has it been signed yet? If not the above is still illegal

CBD is also not a controlled substance as far as I'm aware, you can buy it online. Not sure if it's something like this he's using http://hempture.ie/shop/organic-cbd-oil-2/ but I think Harris can make exceptions anyway, isn't he doing it for Vera Twomey at the moment.

As far as anything signed we'll know a lot more by the end of the day today. We might have access to cannabis for all if you've medical grounds.
For me it'll be a sleep aid.

Mellor

drunkmonkey wrote: »

CBD is also not a controlled substance as far as I'm aware, you can buy it online.

I'm not sure if that's correct. Pretty sure it falls under the definition from the Irish misuse of drug regulations.
"you can buy it online" make it legal. You can buy al sorts online

drunkmonkey

Mellor wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

CBD is also not a controlled substance as far as I'm aware, you can buy it online.

I'm not sure if that's correct. Pretty sure it falls under the definition from the Irish misuse of drug regulations.
"you can buy it online" make it legal. You can buy al sorts online

In the article in the examiner yesterday (which was also the inspiration for this thread) . It states the 3yr old from Bantry is the first person to be legally allowed use cannabis. https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/preschool-asks-boy-3-to-leave-over-cannabis-treatment-fears-442385.html

"Yvonne moved back to West Cork recently after she received a guarantee from the health minister that her administering of cannabis oil to her son was legal. "

Mellor

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In the article in the examiner yesterday (which was also the inspiration for this thread) . It states the 3yr old from Bantry is the first person to be legally allowed use cannabis. https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/preschool-asks-boy-3-to-leave-over-cannabis-treatment-fears-442385.html

"Yvonne moved back to West Cork recently after she received a guarantee from the health minister that her administering of cannabis oil to her son was legal. "

Has the Health minister given her special exemption in writing?
Or is he saying that it's not a controlled drug for anyone?

drunkmonkey

Yea he's done the same with Vera I think but this article yesterday states that CBD is legal, She's after THC for her daughter though.

Vera has been giving Ava a plant-based cannabinoid oil (CBD) since October. The substance is legal but not widely available.

Ava does, however, still suffer from seizures and Vera is seeking for a similar cannabis product, THC (Tetrahydrocannabinol), to be made available.

“When taken with the CBD, they activate each other and make for more effective pain medication,”

Full article here http://www.corkindependent.com/news/topics/articles/2017/02/09/4134621-every-day-the-minister-waits-is-another-day-ava-must-wait/

There will be war today if the law isn't changed around THC, She'll chain herself to the gates of the Daíl after bringing hundreds of thousands to people with her on her walk from Cork to Dublin, that rattled Harris the last time and he sat down with her and pleaded with her to call off the walk by the time she got to Mallow.

I've faith in Harris because of his age, he's meant to be a good guy by all accounts I've heard of him. He's on the case, I don't think he has any choice today but to allow medicinal cannabis both cbd and THC, so that oils, buds, cake et.
If he makes health insurance pay, it'll be a master stroke.
He's also got the opportunity to create one of the biggest cash crops in the state both for home use and export. It's a massive industry and could employ a lot of people if he gets it's correct. Not to mentions the damage he'll do to organised crime and freeing up Garda resources for hurt crimes.

Mellor

Just to clarify, I'm pro-medicinal cannabis, all compounds.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Vera has been giving Ava a plant-based cannabinoid oil (CBD) since October. The substance is legal but not widely available.

But that part is is incorrect in my understanding.

“10.An extract of cannabis which–

(a) is a medicinal product for human use which has been granted a marketing authorisation and which is presented as a liquid formulation for administration to a person through a meter dose pump as amucosal mouth spray, and

(b) has a concentration of not more than 30 milligrams of cannabidiol per millilitre, and not more than 30 milligrams of delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol per millilitre, where the ratio of cannabidiol to delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol is between 0.7 to 1.3.

11. Any stereoisomeric form of a substance specified in paragraph 10.

12. Any preparation or other product containing any proportion of a substance or product specified in any of paragraphs 10 or 11, not being a preparation specified in Schedule 5.”.

My understanding on paragraph 12 is that it covers medicinal cannabidiol in other any concentration. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's what it looks like to me

drunkmonkey

I think your correct as that's the law but Harris and HPRA can give exemptions and that's what they've done just to keep them quite for a few months. The few months is up today though, he's has the report a couple of weeks but it's been secretly discussed. The announcement to the public on the way forward is today.
I don't think he can stand up there today and not support these parents and any other people that think they benifit from it.

I think, I'm hoping, that some approved conditions will be covered under health insurance if the HPRA lists them in the report, any condition that's not listed will have to pay but will have access to Medicinal cannabis.

nozzferrahhtoo

Rumpy Pumpy wrote: »

Extremely dangerous drug.

You're doing it wrong

golfball37

There's a report due out today on the effectivness of Cannabis in treating certain conditions purely in pain relief terms. I don't think big Pharma want to the truth to come out and I think the establishment here are probably doing their bidding under the guise of enforcing the law.

Graces7

drunkmonkey wrote: »

In the article in the examiner yesterday (which was also the inspiration for this thread) . It states the 3yr old from Bantry is the first person to be legally allowed use cannabis. https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/preschool-asks-boy-3-to-leave-over-cannabis-treatment-fears-442385.html

"Yvonne moved back to West Cork recently after she received a guarantee from the health minister that her administering of cannabis oil to her son was legal. "

As a former teacher and reading the article the school was, and i think rightly, concerned that they were being expected to administer the drug; there would have been insurance and other complications.

He was not refused because he was on cannabis oil but for other cogent reasons.

Staff are not trained or able for this

Wanderer78

Oh just bloody legalise it already, and let us all get on with our lives.

Kurtosis

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think, I'm hoping, that some approved conditions will be covered under health insurance if the HPRA lists them in the report, any condition that's not listed will have to pay but will have access to Medicinal cannabis.

From the coverage of the report thus far, I don't think this kind of scenario is likely at the moment. It sounds like the conditions and even doctors who can prescribe cannabis-based products will be defined in legislation. There'll also be a registry of patients which will help to provide evidence of safety and effectiveness as well as (I assume) facilitating patients to legally possess cannabis medicines.

Riesen_Meal

Graces7 wrote: »

As a former teacher and reading the article the school was, and i think rightly, concerned that they were being expected to administer the drug.
He was not refused because he was on cannabis oil but for other cogent reasons.

Staff are not trained or able for this

Not trained to squeeze a dropper and drop 1 drop into the childs mouth or drink?

What happens in a school with other medications when they need to be prescribed?

Are insulin injections not to be prescribed or how does that work?

I really can't see why we can't legalise, even for medicinal use, it's a wonder plant :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDYQN500rFU

Potential-Monke

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There fcuking up people's lives for no good reason and it's all walks, from babies to pensioners there a disgrace enforcing a law they know is wrong. There we'll able to kick up when they want. Go fight some real crime.
That €20 found in Roscrea, how much is that going to cost the person and the taxpaper once the cannabis merry go round has spun again, I'd say €5000 at minimum.

It's madness that the Gardaí even report such a small find, but it's usually because a search operation was carried out, and for 1 or a combination of unknown reasons, only €20 was found, but Mary up the road had already rang the local rag to report loads of Gardaí raiding a house, so the outcome is known to them and they report it anyway because it either makes the anti-cannabis crowd feel better and the pro-cannabis crowd are up in arms thus giving the rag some free publicity.

I agree that it's a waste of time, but Garda management need to make that decision, not the members on the ground. Can you imagine the uproar if they let someone off a drugs offence? Doesn't matter if it's €5 or €5000, people will get up in arms for leaving off a druggie, so it's all prosecuted (usually) regardless of amount for self-preservation purposes. Gardaí have discretion, but it's hard to defend discretion for a controlled substance, especially when some of them still thinks it's the devils weed (you can't teach an old dog new tricks).

Anyway, it's not the Garda's job to find a verdict, that's the Judges job. The Judge doesn't have to convict, the Garda just gets the evidence and presents it to court, what happens after that is entirely up to the Judge. They're the ones handing out stupid sentences for minor offences and little to no sentence for major offences.

Vincent Vega wrote: »

Does anybody know what actually happens to all the stuff that gets seized?

Any controlled substance which is involved in any proceedings is stored in a very secure location while the investigation/court case is ongoing. It's given a serial number and sealed in a bag which cannot be tampered with (trust me). The only people who can open it are the annalists in the lab and a Judge. Once the case is over, it's held for a further amount of time in the nearest Divisional HQ to allow for an appeal. Once the last appeal date passes the drugs are co-signed by 2 members for destruction and sent to Dublin for same. I believe once up there, and once a certain quantity is piled up, they're sent for destruction to a controlled incinerator.

Dr Bob

"....controlled incinerator."
Ah right that explains why there arent a load of red eyed but happy people in deckchairs beside a smokey incinerator somewhere.:)

I'm suprised the Gov havent legalised it ..mainly as they could tax the bejesus out of it I mean currently they get nothing per bag sold.

Graces7

Fieldog wrote: »

Not trained to squeeze a dropper and drop 1 drop into the childs mouth or drink?

What happens in a school with other medications when they need to be prescribed?

Are insulin injections not to be prescribed or how does that work?

I really can't see why we can't legalise, even for medicinal use, it's a wonder plant :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDYQN500rFU

Will be in my experience kept safe in eg the office.

This is of course PRESCHOOL not school.

And a controlled and controversial substance needing strict regulation

drunkmonkey

This is a friggin disgrace, 5yr trial, very specific illnesses. It's designed to shut up 2 mothers and people who have ms when every other drug has failed.

http://health.gov.ie/blog/press-release/minister-harris-publishes-milestone-report-on-cannabis-for-medical-use/

Suppose it's back to funding the Kinahans and Co for the rest of us. Well done Minister.

I had thought the compassionate access was going to help everyone.

cherryghost

Graces7 wrote: »

Will be in my experience kept safe in eg the office.

This is of course PRESCHOOL not school.

And a controlled and controversial substance needing strict regulation

Did you read the article

“He was thrilled to go back to school. We are really disappointed. If he was sick we wouldn’t even bring him in. Epilepsy Ireland came in and provided training. We had an advanced paramedic come in and provide training. We signed an indemnity form.

"We signed emergency protocol. We asked them to write down a list of issues and the top of it was the cannabis oil. There is a stigma with his medicine. They said they were afraid to deal with him.

"That is why we provided as much training and information as we possibly could. There was nothing more we could possibly give them.”

They were well aware of the situation and what is needed from them. Very simple procedure.

Lux23

I don't understand why any drugs are criminalised. Legalise them all and tax them. Problem solved.

Zombienosh

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Oh just bloody legalise it already, and let us all get on with our lives.

Exactly. It's not gonna make society collapse there's nothing to be afraid of.

It will reduce crime, increase tax revenues and make some highly strung w*nkers chill out.

endacl

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Suppose it's back to funding the Kinahans and Co for the rest of us. Well done Minister.

Who's making you do that? You choose to fund them.