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Speeding fine. Car was in driveway

  • 06-02-2017 01:14PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭


    I just got a speeding fine from a week ago. Says I was doing 63 in 50 zone near 10pm. I do drive the road in question, but i'm fairly sure that on the night in question, I was at home with the wife and my car parked outside.

    Also the quality if the image is pretty poor. There reg number is 8 digits and 7 of them are clear enough, but one digit seems to be wrong. I have two number 9 digits next to each other on the reg 03-D-XX99X, but the registration seems to be 03-D-XX39X. The number 3 before the 9 looks exactly like the the number 3 in the in the 03D part.

    I tried searching the NCTS site for the registration I think it is, but I am not getting any results. Not sure what to do with this.

    Here is a scan of the image on the FPN. I have blocked the rest of the reg number. As you can see (or not) it is a poor image.

    fine.jpg


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,081 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    Request the full picture and see if it's the same reg, you could have been cloned.

    How are your privacy settings on your phone? I know with Google I can see all the journeys I've made.


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,591 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Looks like 99 to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,488 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    Have you a number plate surround from the dealer or does that one have one? Might be easier to differentiate by that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl


    Just threw down the contrast and up the brightness and it's definitely two 9's. But sure do as Del2005 says.

    mivrNK5.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    Hmmm. The so called 9 looks exactly like the 3 though. It's harder to see on the image I posted above, but you can see the indent in the the number 3 and the right side of the actual 9 is just a straight line with no indent. I'm wracking my brains here now, because I am pretty sure I was not out. Monday is a hectic day for my wife at work and we generally stay home on Mondays, which is why I am questioning it. If I am mistaken, then I will take the slap on the wrist and pay up.

    fine2.jpg

    I just took this picture now for comparison


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭honda boi


    To me it looks like 39.
    That's just my crappy vision :p


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 171 ✭✭Gavinz


    It looks like 39 to me. But sure, it's your job to convince them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 960 ✭✭✭Triangle


    Looks like 39 to me too - there's a light patch on the top left of the first of the two digits. Makes it look like a 3.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    I have sent an email to them to look into it.

    What also has me questioning it...is that I would have remembered seeing a speed van flashing me (if a flash was used). I would hazard a guess that the road in question (malahide road) at that time would be quiet of a Monday evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 875 ✭✭✭goldenhoarde


    get on to them for the full image and see what that looks like

    Also check out the reg you think it is on cartel.ie https://www.cartell.ie/ to see if

    a) it exists
    b) make and colour

    These details may help when you have the full image or at least have you rethink that opps it may have been me if the reg doesn't exist.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,316 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Looks like 99 to me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    The registration number I believe it is, does exist. It's a rover, but I don't see the colour on the cartell report. Also, when I check the NCT site, it says the car is scrapped, so i'm at a loss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    What if the missus was driving it? If she was, do I just fill in the nomination part? Does she have to submit anything else (insurance, or anything)? I'm 99% sure I wasn't driving. If she was, it's under her drive other cars extension.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,217 ✭✭✭Mervyn Skidmore


    Looks like 99 but I don't see a flake so maybe it is 39.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,228 ✭✭✭mgbgt1978


    goz83 wrote: »

    What also has me questioning it...is that I would have remembered seeing a speed van flashing me (if a flash was used). I would hazard a guess that the road in question (malahide road) at that time would be quiet of a Monday evening.

    They don't Flash. It's an infra-red system.
    goz83 wrote: »
    What if the missus was driving it? If she was, do I just fill in the nomination part? Does she have to submit anything else (insurance, or anything)? I'm 99% sure I wasn't driving. If she was, it's under her drive other cars extension.

    If you want to nominate herself just fill out the "nomination" section and send it off. You will get a letter stating that you are no longer being prosecuted for the offence and she will get the same letter that you have at the moment.
    Personally I would request the full picture if i was unsure about the Reg. If it looks like your car in the photo then it probably was one of you driving. It will probably be almost impossible to make out the face of the driver though, especially with a night shot.


    edit; If you do go down the nominate route, don't worry too much about it. At the end of the day 'they' really don't care too much as long as somebody pays the fine and receives the points. They won't look for Insurance details, etc. just the Driving licence no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,393 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I thought it was 99 first but on looking at me_irl's one it could be a 39 alright.

    Your dealer surround though should help clear it up if you get a full/better pic from them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,026 ✭✭✭H3llR4iser


    I've seen that speed van on last Monday, around 9.30ish pm; Luckily I was in a taxi. Something that is important, however...the van was parked absolutely like sh1te, hanging halfway into the road...if you drove past it, you most likely had to quite literally "go around" it, so there's no way you wouldn't notice it was there. You might have realized it was there after it snapped you, but you'd 100% know it was there...

    It's either a wrong reg / cloned car, or it was the wife and she doesn't "remember" :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,506 ✭✭✭✭joujoujou
    Unregistered Users


    It looks like 39.

    408503.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    H3llR4iser wrote: »
    I've seen that speed van on last Monday, around 9.30ish pm; Luckily I was in a taxi. Something that is important, however...the van was parked absolutely like sh1te, hanging halfway into the road...if you drove past it, you most likely had to quite literally "go around" it, so there's no way you wouldn't notice it was there. You might have realized it was there after it snapped you, but you'd 100% know it was there...

    It's either a wrong reg / cloned car, or it was the wife and she doesn't "remember" :)

    I genuinely don't think it was either of us. But based on what I have in front of me, if they insist that they are right, is it even worth fighting? I wouldn't want to end up getting convicted for the sake of €80 and 3 points. I have no points on my license.

    It's a very unfair way to process fines. Pay up and get points...you're grand. Fight it and get a judge in a bad mood and get a conviction. :mad:

    Plus it's a day out in court!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,775 ✭✭✭Isambard


    It could be 39 but I wonder what are the odds of a car with such a similar number using a road you use regularly. You need the full photo to see what car it is.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,081 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    goz83 wrote: »
    I genuinely don't think it was either of us. But based on what I have in front of me, if they insist that they are right, is it even worth fighting? I wouldn't want to end up getting convicted for the sake of €80 and 3 points. I have no points on my license.

    It's a very unfair way to process fines. Pay up and get points...you're grand. Fight it and get a judge in a bad mood and get a conviction. :mad:

    Plus it's a day out in court!

    You can request the full picture which is usually clearer, they image they post out originally is a zoomed in part of the full picture. Makes you wonder what age the camera is if the resolution is that bad when zoomed in.

    As for nominating someone else. I got caught by a camera on my brother's bike. He nominated me and I paid the fine and points, never asked for insurance or was I even licenced.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    Isambard wrote: »
    It could be 39 but I wonder what are the odds of a car with such a similar number using a road you use regularly. You need the full photo to see what car it is.

    And that's the only thing has has me wondering. Although, it is a road used by many thousands of vehicles. I also don't use the road regularly. Maybe once, or twice a week. The time of it is also suspicious, because the latest I would be on the road is from about 9-9:15pm if I have gone to the gym for 8pm. It's also usually a Tuesday, or Thursday I would be on the road in the later evening.

    It doesn't add up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    Del2005 wrote: »
    You can request the full picture which is usually clearer, they image they post out originally is a zoomed in part of the full picture. Makes you wonder what age the camera is if the resolution is that bad when zoomed in.

    As for nominating someone else. I got caught by a camera on my brother's bike. He nominated me and I paid the fine and points, never asked for insurance or was I even licenced.

    The ask for the license number though :D

    Tried calling them and just getting "the mailbox is full". No reply yet from email sent earlier. Will be seeking a proper photo.


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,318 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    Do you have location services turned on in your phone? Your phone stores a LOT of information about you. May be able to tell you if you went out that night.

    If you've an android phone, and it's one, try this.

    https://www.google.com/maps/timeline?pb


  • Posts: 17,847 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like a 39 to me. Had a similar incident a few years ago. Got a parking ticket from a town near where I live but I know I wasn't anywhere near there on that day, nor would I have parked there. On investigation we found the right colour but wrong make of car. They just dropped it when we pointed this out to them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    MarkR wrote: »
    Do you have location services turned on in your phone? Your phone stores a LOT of information about you. May be able to tell you if you went out that night.

    If you've an android phone, and it's one, try this.

    https://www.google.com/maps/timeline?pb

    I think I do have location services on. Apple though, not android

    edited to add: Checked phone location history. Nothing at all from the 30th of Jan. It shows I was out on the 28th and the 31st of January. One was an early day time journey on the malahide end of the malahide road. The "speeding" is alleged to have been in the Donnycarney area.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,427 ✭✭✭SteM


    Looks like 99 to me if I'm being honest.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,793 ✭✭✭Red Kev


    Stuff like this is hilarious at times. is it 39 or 99 ? If whoever is responsible had actually decided on one type of font back in the day with clearly distinguishable numbers and letters, then we wouldn't have this problem. Follow that up with obligatory copying of all licences and log books of anybody who needs a new reg plate and we're half way there.

    All that would be needed after that is making sure to fine those who go around with filthy, illegible number plates and enforce the whole lot (*laughs) and we'll have something called progress.

    I just hate how bloody slack we are at something like this as I've been the victim of a hit and run, which put me about €1000 out of pocket. Camera was there, plate wasn't fully legible, so there was nothing that could be done.

    Irony of ironies, the "illegal" German plates are the easiest ones to read.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl


    joujoujou wrote: »
    It looks like 39.

    408503.jpg



    It does actually! This is worse than the blue dress.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,778 ✭✭✭goz83


    Well I finally got through and had a chat with a nice lady. I explained the situation. She said the print outs are poor quality, but the reg number is clear on her screen. That said.....they needed a specialist to confirm the car using the headlights :pac:

    I checked the 2003 Rover 25 and funnily, the headlights are quite similar to an E200.

    At first, she said she couldn't provide me with a full picture, but she said she got authorisation to send a picture, which I am happy to wait and receive.

    I am pretty sure I wasn't driving on the night in question, because the timeline does not add up to me. I would remember as it was recent enough, as bad as my memory can sometimes be.

    Will update when I can.


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