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Petrol v diesel for highish mileage

  • 04-02-2017 12:09PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭


    Just want to pick your brains on this one again, I have done a lot of reading and asking before. The brakes on my Mk5 Golf 1.4 packed in, so need to move fairly quickly. Had a look back at my service records and we were doing between 15-20k miles per year on that 1.4L Golf. Lots of parts replaced, but engine itself was totally reliable over 200k miles.

    I am debating whether we are better to go petrol again and to that end I was looking at a MK1 Auris 1.33 dual vvt-i on the thinking that the engine is reliable, pretty economical and hopefully it should take quite a lot of miles trouble free and quite a lot are available locally.

    Another option is a mk1 Auris hybrid, but my wife who will drive it day to day wasn't really enamored with it when we took it for a test drive.

    Of course there is always an argument for diesel at this mileage. But from reading on the net, lots of the modern diesels can have quite a lot of issues with dpfs, turbos, dmf, etc. So any savings in fuel might be wiped out with a big repair bill. From reading the Ceed/I30 seem to be very reliable and don't seem to suffer from these issues as much as some other diesel engines. Drove a 1.4 petrol mk1 Ceed before and wasn't that impressed,granted it was a basic spec. Not sure what is now considered the tipping point mileage wise for modern diesel engines?

    So at our mileage does it make sense to go petrol or are we mad not to consider a diesel?

    All advice and comments welcome.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,316 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    What sort of parts are you replacing on the golf?

    I'd say you're in diesel territory, but all cars need to be maintained.

    Are you using main dealer for servicing? How much will the brakes cost to fix?

    Is the Golf tested etc?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Get yourself a diesel and something comfortable for that amount of driving.

    Here some ideas. Octavia or superb, Passat, Mondeo, avensis.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Thanks guys. Golf was serviced every 10k miles with edge 5w30. I have it since new so know the history. But at 200k miles and lots of niggly things going in the last year it's time to pass it on.

    I forgot to add that the miles although quite a lot yearly are 10-15 minutes runs, 4 times a day. So not long motorway miles or gridlock.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    gooner99 wrote: »
    Thanks guys. Golf was serviced every 10k miles with edge 5w30. I have it since new so know the history. But at 200k miles and lots of niggly things going in the last year it's time to pass it on.

    I forgot to add that the miles although quite a lot yearly are 10-15 minutes runs, 4 times a day. So not long motorway miles or gridlock.

    With a diesel, you'd be running into DPF, turbo and other assorted expensive troubles, with short runs, along with reduced fuel economy.

    Petrol or hybrid.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    With a diesel, you'd be running into DPF, turbo and other assorted expensive troubles, with short runs, along with reduced fuel economy.

    Petrol or hybrid.

    Agreed.
    Diesel is for the motorway


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭.G.


    I do similar mileage in a similar fashion so I'm.l going petrol myself. Just a shame so many people have bought diesel over the last few years, it can be quite difficult to track a petrol down from what I've seen on my own search. Any car that interests me, a petrol version is rarer than the Dodo


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Yeah that is true. Or that make has concentrated almost totally on diesel and as such their petrol technology has suffered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    gooner99 wrote: »
    Yeah that is true. Or that make has concentrated almost totally on diesel and as such their petrol technology has suffered.

    Nah, petrol cars are still good. Just the Irish market went with the chape tax, shure a petrol would ate ye out of house n home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    True. But for a good while pre 3 cylinders and turbos, there seemed to be a spell where petrols engines didn't move on. Focus 1.4 springs to mind.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,423 ✭✭✭.G.


    111 Tuscons for sale in Ireland from 131 up to 162, 1 petrol! In the UK its a bit better but Diesel still massively out numbers the petrols. Think the petrol was only in the base spec too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Yeah. Petrols only plentiful in small or mid size.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,642 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    Did you look at the Lexus CT200H? It's a Prius/Auris hybrid underneath the premium badge and posher exterior. Your wife might like it though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Be like hens teeth up here though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    Depends on what you're using the car for. If it's predominantly out of town driving, a diesel is best, the DPF and DMF are only troublesome in most diesels when they're driven around town most of the time.

    If it's going to be doing a good amount of town driving, get a hybrid, it will be far more economical (diesels take much longer to warm up than petrols because they are more thermally efficient) and they are extremely reliable, they're not much fun to drive because they've got a CVT box though but most of them are very high spec so it's six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    A 1.33 dual VVTi Toyota will be extremely reliable, no doubt about that, but it will be a bit slow, mind you if you're used to a 1.4 petrol Golf then it won't be slow at all by comparison!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,295 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    If you are thinking of getting a new car, an Ioniq electric car might suit.
    Your commutes actually are very suitable for an electric car. Charge overnight for a couple of euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,316 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I'm guessing the OP is spending around €10k going on the cars they mentioned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Correct Colm. 2010 1.33 tr with 60 k miles, service history. 7900 sound ok?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,316 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Yeah sounds around right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    Is there any chance you'd look at something else? The Mk1 Auris is a very poor car to be honest, it's very loud at speed and the interior is rubbish, it will be a massive step backwards from a Golf.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Is there any chance you'd look at something else? The Mk1 Auris is a very poor car to be honest, it's very loud at speed and the interior is rubbish, it will be a massive step backwards from a Golf.

    The facelift is fine on the inside and the car itself is far from poor. The mk5 golf wasn't exactly great on the inside either and the 1.4 engine was abysmal. A 1.33 auris is not a step back from this.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,295 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    That's fair your in the second hand car market. Some would say, a second hand Leaf from the UK would fit the bill. Certainly don't go for a diesel for multiple short runs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Wife is not keen on the leaf idea. Will take another look before settling on the auris.

    I had the pleasure of picking up a 2011 Fiesta Today that came over from England from the transport company in the north. Drove it about 80 kms in mixed driving, A and B roads, dual carriageway and town. Wow what a great little car in all situations. Feels like a car from a class above inside, nice and spacious up front, but back a little tight. It drives and handles like a car from the class above,loves corners. The 1.25 82hp engine is sweet, never felt strained and reved freely. Really impressed. In fact I'd say it was as good to drive as the 1.6 diesel Focus I drove recently. Ford should have been developing this engine with yamaha in larger capacities for the focus.

    Damn I am tempted by the Fiesta, only for rear space it would be a winner. Hell I would even overlook that if it were solely up to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    gooner99 wrote: »
    Wife is not keen on the leaf idea. Will take another look before settling on the auris.

    I had the pleasure of picking up a 2011 Fiesta Today that came over from England from the transport company in the north. Drove it about 80 kms in mixed driving, A and B roads, dual carriageway and town. Wow what a great little car in all situations. Feels like a car from a class above inside, nice and spacious up front, but back a little tight. It drives and handles like a car from the class above,loves corners. The 1.25 82hp engine is sweet, never felt strained and reved freely. Really impressed. In fact I'd say it was as good to drive as the 1.6 diesel Focus I drove recently. Ford should have been developing this engine with yamaha in larger capacities for the focus.

    Damn I am tempted by the Fiesta, only for rear space it would be a winner. Hell I would even overlook that if it were solely up to me.

    They did.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Oh. Was the 1.4 in the older focus developed with yamaha?

    It seems to get slated as being poor and underpowered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    gooner99 wrote: »
    Oh. Was the 1.4 in the older focus developed with yamaha?

    It seems to get slated as being poor and underpowered.

    It was. Maybe developed with yamaha but built by ford. They are underpowered and very fond of oil. The 1.6 is better in terms of performance but it's still fond of oil and can only match the performance of a 1.4 vvti.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,052 ✭✭✭gooner99


    Ah i see. The 1.25 is a oeach and well suited to the fiesta. I think I read that it will be dropped in favour of a 1.1 and of course the 1.0 ecoboost in the new model. Pity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    gooner99 wrote: »
    Ah i see. The 1.25 is a oeach and well suited to the fiesta. I think I read that it will be dropped in favour of a 1.1 and of course the 1.0 ecoboost in the new model. Pity.

    It will live on in the ka+


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,316 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    gooner99 wrote: »
    Ah i see. The 1.25 is a oeach and well suited to the fiesta. I think I read that it will be dropped in favour of a 1.1 and of course the 1.0 ecoboost in the new model. Pity.

    The 1.25 in the current fiesta is only 60bhp though and is slower than the 1.0 non turbo.

    0-60 in 17 seconds. Could be one of the slowest cars on sale?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,525 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    The 1.25 in the current fiesta is only 60bhp though and is slower than the 1.0 non turbo.

    0-60 in 17 seconds. Could be one of the slowest cars on sale?
    Is it? I know the one in the ka+ has two versions, afaik one is 75bhp and the other is 85bhp


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,316 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Yeah, that's not the engine from the fiesta. It's a new one. 1196cc
    It's badged TI-VCT

    The 70bhp ka+ is still slow as fook at 16 seconds to 100kmph.


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