Why is coffee gone so expensive?

Jack the Stripper

Are coffee beans more expensive to produce or is it these fancy machines that Centra and others are using making the average price of coffee at €3.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Those new centra coffee machines make the coffee taste like dike water. The price jumped from €2 to €2.50 overnight.

They can suck my left one.

Omackeral

Probably cos eejits will pay for it at those prices

Sofiztikated

Poor crop of coffee beans in the last couple of years, coupled with people buying in bulk and sitting on them.

Olive oil will shoot up in price soon. ****e crop in Italy last year.

darkpagandeath

Problem with harvests is it not due to rain and alike ? Cost of transport a few things.

ScumLord

Coffee isn't expensive at all. I can get a bag of beans for €5. My local prices around town are €1.50 and €1.80. The service stations are fleecing people with their prices, there's no need for a coffee from an automatic machine to cost anywhere near €3. It's easy money for them.

BattleCorp

Some of those coffee machines can easily be €20k +

artanevilla

It's just brown and water.

Sofiztikated

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Problem with harvests is it not due to rain and alike ? Cost of transport a few things.

Old trees in Vietnam.
Brazil has a good crop, but farmers holding out for a better price, instead of dumping all on the market.
Suppliers getting short on beans, so prices increase.

There's more at work than Texaco screwing you on price. Which they likely are, as well.

s4uv3

BattleCorp wrote: »

Some of those coffee machines can easily be €20k +

WHAT??!!
You'd pay a youngfla to become a high level barista and stock the place for a year for that money. Well, maybe not quite, but still. :eek:

Sofiztikated

s4uv3 wrote: »

WHAT??!!
You'd pay a youngfla to become a high level barista and stock the place for a year for that money. Well, maybe not quite, but still. :eek:

Those barista machines aren't cheap either. Then servicing & maintenance, etc.

frag420

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Those new centra coffee machines make the coffee taste like dike water. .

Round here we call those Lesbo Lattes...

Grayson

BattleCorp wrote: »

Some of those coffee machines can easily be €20k +

Yep but you can rent then with a service agreement for a lot cheaper. I've always wanted to own a coffee shop. I've written up business plans and researched the options. Unless you're going to be running a chain, renting is by far the better option.




But to the OP,

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2213928-the-looming-coffee-shortage-2/

This year will be the third consecutive year of supply shortage in the global coffee market, according to the International Coffee Organization (ICO).

Due to a poor global harvest of robusta beans, coffee prices are rising. Bad weather caused by El Niño hurt robusta bean production by the world’s top two producers, Brazil and Vietnam.

“Both countries had a very poor robusta coffee crop last year due to drought,” said Shawn Hackett, CEO of Hackett Financial Advisors, a commodity broker.

And recently, excessive rainfall in Vietnam disrupted the harvest of this year’s crop, he said.

The price for robusta coffee in the London futures market surged nearly 60 percent in the last year and reached a five-year high in January. That move helped drive the price of arabica coffee in the New York futures market up 30 percent.

ScumLord

s4uv3 wrote: »

WHAT??!!
You'd pay a youngfla to become a high level barista and stock the place for a year for that money. Well, maybe not quite, but still. :eek:

Even the manual machines are up on that price. It's a high pressure machine so it's going to need to be robust. So now you've got a bill of 20k and a wage to pay.

It's it's just a coffee shop then it makes sense to have high prices. But service stations, especially busy ones (who tend to have the highest prices for coffee) are making money hand over fist, 20k is nothing.

s4uv3

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Those barista machines aren't cheap either. Then servicing & maintenance, etc.

Wee gas burner, and a couple of them italian stove top yokes. Job done

Sofiztikated

Grayson wrote: »

Yep but you can rent then with a service agreement for a lot cheaper. I've always wanted to own a coffee shop. I've written up business plans and researched the options. Unless you're going to be running a chain, renting is by far the better option.




But to the OP,

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2213928-the-looming-coffee-shortage-2/

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/record-brazilian-coffee-harvest-creates-big-opportunity-for-traders-2016-08-30

Seems my info is out of date.

Gatling

There was me thinking my €10.58 jar was bad enough

Grayson

Sofiztikated wrote: »

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/record-brazilian-coffee-harvest-creates-big-opportunity-for-traders-2016-08-30

Seems my info is out of date.

I was talking about futures. The thing is that because of global warming, el nino etc the prices have been as volatile as fcuk. In three months time we could both be wrong again

cbyrd

Meh, I'll take my little nespresso machine over any coffee anywhere. 41c a cup.
It's amazing the amount of restaurants and cafes that sell crap coffees

CalamariFritti

s4uv3 wrote: »

Wee gas burner, and a couple of them italian stove top yokes. Job done

I wish. I can't get a good coffee out of that yoke. I know I'm doing something wrong but what I don't know. The point being it is not THAT easy.

JustAThought

If I have a fancy coffee I want it served in a proper cup & saucer,preferably with a biscuit on the side - and when I have the time to stop & enjoy it. Ihard times I'll buy an americano on the hoof but expect it to be strong & high quality - and I refuse to pay e3 for it. Overheads, servers, china & the dishes being washed merrit that extra - but not a service station or dogey market where you are expected to bring your own seat & have a coat handy.

Btw a bag of GOOD coffey or beand is still extremely good value & hasn't increased in price the way the shops prices have. I'm having more & more at home with a nice bit of cake - e6.50 as a standard for a cofffee & biscuit thing is just getting too much. I remember the days when you had a 60% chnce of getting a free refill. Now a dim historic memory.

ScumLord

cbyrd wrote: »

Meh, I'll take my little nespresso machine over any coffee anywhere. 41c a cup.
It's amazing the amount of restaurants and cafes that sell crap coffees

If you go for beans that cost can come down to about 10c a cup and it's real coffee, not from concentrate.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I wish. I can't get a good coffee out of that yoke. I know I'm doing something wrong but what I don't know. The point being it is not THAT easy.

I found that if I turn the heat up to much it gives an almost burnt taste to the coffee. Try doing it on a lower heat.

Jack the Stripper

€3.85 for large coffee in Re.Store talk about extracting the urine.

Grayson

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I wish. I can't get a good coffee out of that yoke. I know I'm doing something wrong but what I don't know. The point being it is not THAT easy.

I put in hot water. It boils faster and the coffee isn't as strong but it means I can drink more. I got my first one at xmas and used it for the first time in Jan and haven't had a problem yet.

What kind of grind are you using?

CalamariFritti

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I wish. I can't get a good coffee out of that yoke. I know I'm doing something wrong but what I don't know. The point being it is not THAT easy.

love the slightly burnt taste from those little percolators.....
I also use the plunger for daily coffee, but it tastes different.....

either way much cheaper and much better than being ripped off by petrol stations! And I agree with previous posted who says its one thing paying that in a nice ambient coffee shop, quite different in a dingy petrol station(for the pleasure of taking it away and drinking it in your car) !!

Coffee Fulled Runner

I think €1.50 is a fair price for a take away coffee from most service stations, anything more is a rip off. Maximum of €2 for a take away coffee from a quality café but most should be €1.80.

ScumLord

the large coffees are probably a bigger rip off. I doubt they have two measurements for coffee inside the machine, so all it's doing is adding more water and changing you 50c or more for that extra water.

Caliden

Cafe place around the corner is 2.20. Used to be €2 but went up 20c which is surprising as they could easily charge another 50c and people would pay it.

Plenty of offices around where it is and they do a pretty darn good coffee.

OldMrBrennan83

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Grayson

Patww79 wrote: »

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let me introduce you to the portable espresso maker.

It can use grinds or nespresso pods.
https://www.thefowndry.com/products/minipresso-portable-espresso-maker

ScumLord

Grayson wrote: »

let me introduce you to the portable espresso maker.

The big problem with beans is the grinder. It's hard to find one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and without the grinder you're not going to be able to make a proper espresso. I bought a cheap one in Argos but it was just a blender with a blade and it's impossible to get anything consistent out of it.

I actually found a barista machine and pulled all the grinding parts out of it I've just never got around to finding a way to assemble it as a standalone unit.

Billy86

It really is a joke - there's a large chain in Canada called Tim Hortons, apparently they use the same stuff as most Centras, petrol stations, etc here. You can get a large coffee there (about a pint) for $1.85 with a number of different types etc - that comes to €1.32 currently, and doesn't have any of those north American hidden sales taxes on top. You can also get that with a muffin (good range of selection too) for $3.35, which is €2.39.

Over here, you're looking at a good 20% more for just the coffee and probably a smaller one at that. Solution - just buy it in the supermarket (thermos flask will keep it hot for a good 8+ hours if sealed for those commuting, working on site, etc).

ScumLord

Billy86 wrote: »

Over here, you're looking at a good 20% more for just the coffee and probably a smaller one at that. Solution - just buy it in the supermarket (thermos flask will keep it hot for a good 8+ hours if sealed for those commuting, working on site, etc).

It's not the same as a fresh espresso though. All other styles of making coffee are a pale comparison.

Grayson

ScumLord wrote: »

The big problem with beans is the grinder. It's hard to find one that doesn't cost an arm and a leg and without the grinder you're not going to be able to make a proper espresso. I bought a cheap one in Argos but it was just a blender with a blade and it's impossible to get anything consistent out of it.

I actually found a barista machine and pulled all the grinding parts out of it I've just never got around to finding a way to assemble it as a standalone unit.

That thing takes nespresso pods. I have an old grinder I bought in starbucks. Really it's just a small blender. It's grand for a french press but you're right about one for espresso's. A basic one with variable settings would set you back about 60-70 euro.

Here's an ok one from arnotts.

http://www.arnotts.ie/krups-coffeegrind-burr-gvx231/360402/979650600200

But it's not portable so you're still making the grinds first.

There are portable grinder/cup combo's like this but once again we're back to the fact that you can't make the fine grinds you need for espresso.

Billy86

ScumLord wrote: »

It's not the same as a fresh espresso though. All other styles of making coffee are a pale comparison.

Well that's probably true. I can be a bit of a food snob at times, but coffee/me is like petrol/car.

Permabear

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ScumLord

Grayson wrote: »

That thing takes nespresso pods. I have an old grinder I bought in starbucks. Really it's just a small blender. It's grand for a french press but you're right about one for espresso's. A basic one with variable settings would set you back about 60-70 euro.

Here's an ok one from arnotts.

http://www.arnotts.ie/krups-coffeegrind-burr-gvx231/360402/979650600200

But it's not portable so you're still making the grinds first.

There are portable grinder/cup combo's like this but once again we're back to the fact that you can't make the fine grinds you need for espresso.

I'm not to pushed about portablity. I only drink about one or two coffees in the morning these days and I only live 2 minutes from my work.

That's a decent price for a grinder, might buy that. At this stage i'm spending more on coffee each week than I am on fags and I've cut it down to one Americano a day. I gave up on my espresso machine because of the grinder problem.

RhubarbCrumble

s4uv3 wrote: »

WHAT??!!
You'd pay a youngfla to become a high level barista and stock the place for a year for that money. Well, maybe not quite, but still. :eek:

It's true. The cone machines are about twice that again. Friend of mine owns a shop and told me he paid €40,000 for the cone machine.

billyhead

McDonalds coffee is lovely and well worth €2. Shame the rest of the menu is muck

Jack the Stripper

Permabear wrote: »

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We are not talking about barrels of oil.

ArnieSilvia

Coffee beans price has almost nothing to do with the price at till for coffee. Beans are 3-5 Euro per bag in my local Tesco, they last about 30 lattes so it cost me 10c per cup, plus there's choice what strength and taste you'd prefer when you buy the beans yourself and playing with settings on machine is good fun if you like different coffee.

I recently acquired krups bean to cup machine and understood what I missed.

Means Of Escape

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Are coffee beans more expensive to produce or is it these fancy machines that Centra and others are using making the average price of coffee at €3.

Greed

OldMrBrennan83

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The biggest issue with coffee prices has been bad weather in the growing regions.
Bad weather=lower yields= higher prices on the wholesale market.

Jack the Stripper

Kasen Squeaking Necktie wrote: »

The biggest issue with coffee prices has been bad weather in the growing regions.
Bad weather=lower yields= higher prices on the wholesale market.

Did they ever hear of greenhouses?

Permabear

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Jack the Stripper

Permabear wrote: »

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You're as bad as Mike Brewer waffling on about dollars.

ToddyDoody

Jack the Stripper wrote: »

Are coffee beans more expensive to produce or is it these fancy machines that Centra and others are using making the average price of coffee at €3.

Centra coffee just screams *cosmopolitan*... @ 3 quid.

ScumLord

ArnieSilvia wrote: »

plus there's choice what strength and taste you'd prefer when you buy the beans yourself and playing with settings on machine is good fun if you like different coffee.

It's incredible how many different types of bean there are out there. It's like the craft beer market. It's actually surprising you don't have more choices of coffee bean in coffee shops, they can taste radically different. Imagine going into a bar and they only served one type of beer.

Kivaro

billyhead wrote: »

McDonalds coffee is lovely and well worth €2. Shame the rest of the menu is muck

I love McDonalds coffee but only tried it once in Ireland and that was it; never again. It was in Dublin airport, very early in the morning, and the coffee was stale and burnt. Horrible, horrible, horrible. I had to dump the stuff. They definitely ignored the beeping reminder (possibly 20 times) to brew fresh coffee.

I find the Dunne Stores brand of ground coffee (dark) to be excellent, and I've tried a fair amount of beans in my time.
And per cup, it's very cheap.

colm_mcm

billyhead wrote: »

McDonalds coffee is lovely and well worth €2. Shame the rest of the menu is muck

€2.40 for a cappuccino in McD. They do a toastie and cappuccino for €3 though.

The older Kenco coffee they used to do was nicer though.