New vaping regulations.

eireboi83

These new rules are crazy.Don't understand the thinking behind them.Will also cost so much more and I can see vape shop closures.

bmwguy

eireboi83 wrote: »

These new rules are crazy.Don't understand the thinking behind them.Will also cost so much more and I can see vape shop closures.

What are they?

BeerNut

Moved from Smoking.

eireboi83

From may you can only buy 10ml vape juice concentrates etc

DirtyBollox

Look up TPD Ireland and you can find out everything you need to know.

eireboi83

I have just started vaping and making my own juice.Do you think i should just give up nicotine as these new rules will make it too exspensive??I find there is little choice for diy vape in ireland online or in shops.Postage and packaging is a killer sometimes more than the value of the product.does these new rules include the puchase of diy liquid.Also i have a very cheap set up like 10 euro but with good kangertech and i clear coils but the flavour is minimal at best.What do you suggest??

youdipstick

eireboi83 wrote: »

I have just started vaping and making my own juice.Do you think i should just give up nicotine as these new rules will make it too exspensive??I find there is little choice for diy vape in ireland online or in shops.Postage and packaging is a killer sometimes more than the value of the product.does these new rules include the puchase of diy liquid.Also i have a very cheap set up like 10 euro but with good kangertech and i clear coils but the flavour is minimal at best.What do you suggest??

DIY mixing will still be cheap as chips even after the regulations kick in,as long as you buy your Nicotine between now & May,I would suggest buying it now,buy at least 250ml at 7.2% at Darkstar (250ml should last you approx a year or 2 roughly,depends how you vape) http://www.darkstarvapour.co.uk/shop/72mg-nicotine & buy your PG/VG as well http://www.darkstarvapour.co.uk/shop/pg-vg or buy your PG/VG already mixed of your choice 70/30 or 85/15 or 60/40 VG/PG
http://www.darkstarvapour.co.uk/base-mix/base-mix

Or you could buy a litre of pre-mixed VG/PG/Nic at different strengths of Nic,the base is 55VG/35PG.I have tried a litre of the 6mg & it is very good stuff http://www.vapebase.de/Vape-Bases/VGPG-Vape-Bases/55/35/10-Vape-Bases:::2_4_21.html

There's a way around the postage,we use Parcel Motel,I use it for Darkstar or any other UK Vendors.

Vapely

They're extremely counter productive. The act of limiting bottle sizes to 10ml when we saw the complete opposite for 10 packs of cigarettes is baffling.

Restrictions on advertising make sense (although obviously frustrating from a vendor's perspective). Lab testing is also very welcome, it benefits everyone but it's quite expensive.

From the wholesalers we use that do have TPD compliant liquids on the way, the prices seem to be slightly more expensive but thankfully nothing drastic (yet). Remains to be seen if vendors will absorb this cost or pass it on to the consumer, we're optimistic they won't raise significantly. If, like me, you're used to paying €10+ a day on cigarettes you can probably live with a couple euro increase for a 10 day supply. We're optimistic that the price for ordering 3x10ml bottles will remain close to what you pay for a single 30ml bottle today.

The real loss here will be the many smaller manufacturers who can't pivot to satisfy the new rules, along with the US manufacturers who will be far too busy adjusting to their own overbearing regulations and either shut down entirely, or simply don't have the resources or interest in simultaneously preparing for EU legislation.

It's sad but we're hopeful the indiustry will pull through and continue to attract more and more vapers.

jonnny68

I only generally buy online and from the UK via parcel motel so won't affect me but yeah absolutely ridiculous, the shambles of a government again, vaping should be actively encouraged to smokers, especially long term smokers who find it impossible to give up, i know in my case as someone who smoked for over 30 years started in school and only gave up in my early 40's and the vape was the only thing that worked, this old chestnut "just go cold turkey" doesn't wash, some people can but majority can't, vaping has been a godsend for me and i feel a million times better than what i used to when i was smoking 20 JP Blue a day and double that at weekends.

Vapely

Just to clarify, these regulations are brought in by Europe and have been implemented by the UK. My understanding is come May you won't find any 30ml liquids at UK retailers either but who knows how Brexit may affect that.

It's unfortunate that vaping is receiving this kind of opposition when it has clearly helped so many people and has the potential to help so many more. Let's hope common sense (and science) prevails and we'll see a relaxing of the regulations in futrure.

mrmoonlight

Has Ireland any plans to bring in the same regulations? Or is it just the UK, complete desaster if they do

Vapely

Unfortunately every EU country must and has implemented the new regulations.

These were implemented before the Brexit referendum so the UK may repeal the legislation once it leaves the EU but my understanding is that it will not be possible for them do so before that time.

I do not believe it will be legal to import non-TPD compliant liquids as a consumer from non EU countries (US for example). So if the UK does repeal the legislation after leaving the EU and sell non-TPD compliant liquids, we won't be able to purchase them online legally. I assume they will be held at customs and destroyed but who knows how strictly it will be enforced.

Here in Ireland, as a member of the EU, we're stuck with the new rules but as I mentioned before, hopefully vendors will be able to absorb most of the additional expense without passing it on to the consumer.

was.deevey

If, like me, you're used to paying €10+ a day on cigarettes you can probably live with a couple euro increase for a 10 day supply.

If you've been vaping at a DIY cost of about 1 euro per day for the past few years though its a HUGE hit - 25-30ml is about what I go through in 12 hours.

eireboi83

was.deevey wrote: »

If you've been vaping at a DIY cost of about 1 euro per day for the past few years though its a HUGE hit - 25-30ml is about what I go through in 12 hours.

Peeps I could be wrong here but when these mad laws come in may 20 approx.you can no longer get diy liquid or pre mixed in anything but 10ml is this true?That's what makes me think that packaging alone will increase the price.Also you can't get a nicotine strength higher than 20/24,mg which will also drive up cost.Since UK have left the EU do they have to comply to the same laws.If not how will they police the buying from UK sites into ireland?Thank You for all the replies,very interesting.Kind regards Stephen.

Since UK have left the EU do they have to comply to the same laws.If not how will they police the buying from UK sites into ireland?Thank You for all the replies,very interesting.Kind regards Stephen.

The UK has voted to leave the EU. Its going to be about 18 months minimum until they are legally out of the EU and have to comply with EU law until they do.

chipfox

Well I bought 5 litres of nicotine just there so f*ck off regulations.

youdipstick

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Nice one...

eireboi83

chipfox wrote: »

Well I bought 5 litres of nicotine just there so f*ck off regulations.

How much you pay for item postage etc.which site and how long will that last you??:pac:

Vapely

eireboi83 wrote: »

Peeps I could be wrong here but when these mad laws come in may 20 approx.you can no longer get diy liquid or pre mixed in anything but 10ml is this true?

I believe the 10ml limitation is only relevant for products sold as "e-liquids". Purchasing PG,VG and Nicotine individually shouldn't have to meet this requirement and so DIYers, while probably facing a slight increase in costs, should still remain viable and cost effective. Of course they may always introduce further restrictions targeted at DIYers, it seems this wave of regulations is aimed moreso at manufacturers.

eireboi83 wrote: »

Since UK have left the EU do they have to comply to the same laws.If not how will they police the buying from UK sites into ireland?

As someone else mentioned above, the UK has already implemented the laws and for now at least, is still a member of the EU. There's a much bigger picture here than e-liquid when it comes to how trade will exist between the EU and the UK, and Ireland and the UK. For all we know, every single shipment coming into the country from the UK will be subject to inspection and as I said, any e-liquids that are not compliant for sale in the EU will not be allowed enter the country.

I could see the Chinese mod cloners hitting e liquids in a big way when these regulations come in. Can't blame em either. If there's money to be made they'll be all over it, and rightly so

chipfox

eireboi83 wrote: »

How much you pay for item postage etc.which site and how long will that last you??:pac:

£6.95 is what the site charge but they only ship to the UK so I use parcelmotel, so an extra €4 on top of that. About €13 postage isn't bad for a pack that big.

I bought it from here:

http://www.darkstarvapour.co.uk/shop/72mg-nicotine/72mg-pg-nicotine

I'd say I vape probably around 1ml (probably less) of that nicotine concentrate per day but I make a lot just to give to other people.

youdipstick

My package from Darkstar was dispatched yesterday,I got an email from DPD this morning to say they were expecting my parcel but it has been delayed,no reason given,I just checked the tracking now & it says my parcel has arrived & on it's way to PM in NI.

chipfox

That's pretty fast for them. Wonder when this most recent batch of nic was made. Really hoping it will keep for a few years in the freezer

youdipstick

Hard to know how long nic will last in a freezer,maybe it will degrade a small bit after 5 years or more hopefully,I must google it to see if there is any info on it...

I thought darkstar was a bit fast,I'm sure it took 3 days to dispatch on all my other orders... makes you think tho...

jonnny68

was.deevey wrote: »

If you've been vaping at a DIY cost of about 1 euro per day for the past few years though its a HUGE hit - 25-30ml is about what I go through in 12 hours.

jaysus thats a lot of liquid :eek: id be lucky to go through that in 10 days

Squidgy Black

jonnny68 wrote: »

jaysus thats a lot of liquid :eek: id be lucky to go through that in 10 days

That's a sick amount of liquid for 12 hours, I've been using the same 15ml bottle for the last 5 days and still have about a day left!

eireboi83

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

jonnny68 wrote: »

jaysus thats a lot of liquid :eek: id be lucky to go through that in 10 days

That's a sick amount of liquid for 12 hours, I've been using the same 15ml bottle for the last 5 days and still have about a day left!

I'd be the same time and amount of mls.Ur not supposed to drink it!!!

eireboi83

youdipstick wrote: »

My package from Darkstar was dispatched yesterday,I got an email from DPD this morning to say they were expecting my parcel but it has been delayed,no reason given,I just checked the tracking now & it says my parcel has arrived & on it's way to PM in NI.

Ordered 1 litre of nic,pg and vg .waiting for email with tracking number and dispatch confirmation.Totalled at 53 euro inc.taxes and delivery.I'm happy with that.Going to break it up into 4 x250ml bottles and freeze three.Nor sure if it degrades the fluids.but I know once you freeze the expiry date doesn't matter same as freezing food items.Thanks dipstick for ur assistance.very much appreciated pal.

Venom

_Tyrrell_ wrote: »

That's a sick amount of liquid for 12 hours, I've been using the same 15ml bottle for the last 5 days and still have about a day left!

It depends on the tank and wattage how much juice you go through tho. If your vaping on a high wattage tank like a Baby Beast, it absolutely guzzles down the juice.

eireboi83

Vapely wrote: »

I believe the 10ml limitation is only relevant for products sold as "e-liquids". Purchasing PG,VG and Nicotine individually shouldn't have to meet this requirement and so DIYers, while probably facing a slight increase in costs, should still remain viable and cost effective. Of course they may always introduce further restrictions targeted at DIYers, it seems this wave of regulations is aimed moreso at manufacturers.


As someone else mentioned above, the UK has already implemented the laws and for now at least, is still a member of the EU. There's a much bigger picture here than e-liquid when it comes to how trade will exist between the EU and the UK, and Ireland and the UK. For all we know, every single shipment coming into the country from the UK will be subject to inspection and as I said, any e-liquids that are not compliant for sale in the EU will not be allowed enter the country.

Then diy is affected??

eireboi83

Venom wrote: »

It depends on the tank and wattage how much juice you go through tho. If your vaping on a high wattage tank like a Baby Beast, it absolutely guzzles down the juice.

I did hear drippers and box mods guzzle it up.Still on starter pens but going to upgrade to joytech aio box mod soon.cheap vape pens give little flavour and prone to leaks etc.Just joking with you mate.

Venom

eireboi83 wrote: »

I did hear drippers and box mods guzzle it up.Still on starter pens but going to upgrade to joytech aio box mod soon.cheap vape pens give little flavour and prone to leaks etc.Just joking with you mate.

Skip the AiO and get a proper mod and tank if you want flavor I only mentioned the juice consumption as it can come as a big shock when you start blowing through a bottle lol.

eireboi83

Venom wrote: »

eireboi83 wrote: »

I did hear drippers and box mods guzzle it up.Still on starter pens but going to upgrade to joytech aio box mod soon.cheap vape pens give little flavour and prone to leaks etc.Just joking with you mate.

Skip the AiO and get a proper mod and tank if you want flavor I only mentioned the juice consumption as it can come as a big shock when you start blowing through a bottle lol.

I hear good reviews bout the ego aio and box version.have a pal who uses the ego one and loves it.We are just starting out and they have come highly recommended.Would you say different?

jonski

eireboi83 wrote:

I hear good reviews bout the ego aio and box version.have a pal who uses the ego one and loves it.We are just starting out and they have come highly recommended.Would you say different?

I'd say they are a very good next step on from the vape pens . If you decide afterwards you want to get into the more advanced stuff then you can still do that . If it's staying off the fags you are after then it's probably best to take it step by step .

eireboi83

jonski wrote: »

eireboi83 wrote:

I hear good reviews bout the ego aio and box version.have a pal who uses the ego one and loves it.We are just starting out and they have come highly recommended.Would you say different?

I'd say they are a very good next step on from the vape pens . If you decide afterwards you want to get into the more advanced stuff then you can still do that . If it's staying off the fags you are after then it's probably best to take it step by step .

Would I get more flavour from dearer ones

youdipstick

eireboi83 wrote: »

Ordered 1 litre of nic,pg and vg .waiting for email with tracking number and dispatch confirmation.Totalled at 53 euro inc.taxes and delivery.I'm happy with that.Going to break it up into 4 x250ml bottles and freeze three.Nor sure if it degrades the fluids.but I know once you freeze the expiry date doesn't matter same as freezing food items.Thanks dipstick for ur assistance.very much appreciated pal.

That should keep you going for quite awhile,I put my Nic in amber glass 50ml bottles http://www.unicornaroma.ie/bottles-and-jars/211-amber-bottles.html you need to buy the caps as well.I heard over the weekend that a friend of a friend actually had Nic stored in a freezer for 5 years & there was no degrading in the strength of the Nic,he said it was as fresh as the day he stored it,I know my friend is genuine but I don't know hi mate...
Darkstar uses DPD & they have an excellent tracking system which you will get shortly by email.
Mine was delivered & signed for by PM on Wed,got the PM email on Fri to say my package is in their Dublin depot.
This morning I got an email & text to say that my package is ready for collection at my PM.

chipfox

That nic will easily last you a year. Not bad for the price of 5 packs of smokes

I'd say stick with whatever mod you're comfortable with. The flavour chase never really ends there is always a more powerful mod with better flavour

chrisire

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Or you could buy a litre of pre-mixed VG/PG/Nic at different strengths of Nic,the base is 55VG/35PG.I have tried a litre of the 6mg & it is very good stuff http://www.vapebase.de/Vape-Bases/VGPG-Vape-Bases/55/35/10-Vape-Bases:::2_4_21.html

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Hi if i put this into 30 ml bottles how much flavour would i need to add?thanks

chipfox

That link is dead, but I don't think you can have a 55VG/35VG. That's 90 over all. I would strongly recommend against pre-mixed bases. It takes away from all the flexibility and the maths is way more awkward.

Buy everything separate and use this link and you CANNOT go wrong.

http://www.steam-engine.org/juice.html

The only thing to be aware of, under the "Recipe" section on the right hand side, the PG should actually be (ml of PG - ml of flavour)

Basically, if you want a 50/50 ratio of PG/VG, VG will ALWAYS be exactly half of the total amount. The PG amount includes nicotine, flavourings and PG which should total to the other half.

youdipstick

youdipstick wrote: »

DIY mixing will still be cheap as chips even after the regulations kick in,as long as you buy your Nicotine between now & May,I would suggest buying it now,buy at least 250ml at 7.2% at Darkstar (250ml should last you approx a year or 2 roughly,depends how you vape) http://www.darkstarvapour.co.uk/shop/72mg-nicotine & buy your PG/VG as well http://www.darkstarvapour.co.uk/shop/pg-vg or buy your PG/VG already mixed of your choice 70/30 or 85/15 or 60/40 VG/PG
http://www.darkstarvapour.co.uk/base-mix/base-mix

Or you could buy a litre of pre-mixed VG/PG/Nic at different strengths of Nic,the base is 55VG/35PG.I have tried a litre of the 6mg & it is very good stuff http://www.vapebase.de/Vape-Bases/VGPG-Vape-Bases/55/35/10-Vape-Bases:::2_4_21.html

There's a way around the postage,we use Parcel Motel,I use it for Darkstar or any other UK Vendors.

Here is that link chipfox...

Chrisire,you want to know how much flavour you need to make a 30ml bottle,I did the mix at 15% which gave me 6mg,for a 30ml bottle,add 5ml of flavouring...

chipfox

thanks, dunno why i couldn't see it earlier. is the 10 supposed to be nic? so it's 55/45 vg/pg giving around 5-6% for flavour for a 50/50 mix (give or take)

youdipstick

chipfox wrote: »

thanks, dunno why i couldn't see it earlier. is the 10 supposed to be nic? so it's 55/45 vg/pg giving around 5-6% for flavour for a 50/50 mix (give or take)

The nic is the 10,they seem to be very accurate with their nic,6mg & 24mg was giving me true hits.
Their pg/vg ratio figures are strange to us but it works good.

J Mysterio

Vapely wrote: »

They're extremely counter productive. The act of limiting bottle sizes to 10ml when we saw the complete opposite for 10 packs of cigarettes is baffling.

Restrictions on advertising make sense (although obviously frustrating from a vendor's perspective). Lab testing is also very welcome, it benefits everyone but it's quite expensive.

From the wholesalers we use that do have TPD compliant liquids on the way, the prices seem to be slightly more expensive but thankfully nothing drastic (yet). Remains to be seen if vendors will absorb this cost or pass it on to the consumer, we're optimistic they won't raise significantly. If, like me, you're used to paying €10+ a day on cigarettes you can probably live with a couple euro increase for a 10 day supply. We're optimistic that the price for ordering 3x10ml bottles will remain close to what you pay for a single 30ml bottle today.

The real loss here will be the many smaller manufacturers who can't pivot to satisfy the new rules, along with the US manufacturers who will be far too busy adjusting to their own overbearing regulations and either shut down entirely, or simply don't have the resources or interest in simultaneously preparing for EU legislation.

It's sad but we're hopeful the indiustry will pull through and continue to attract more and more vapers.

While I agree with your points, who is the 'we' you are referring to?

J Mysterio

was.deevey wrote: »

If you've been vaping at a DIY cost of about 1 euro per day for the past few years though its a HUGE hit - 25-30ml is about what I go through in 12 hours.

Thats whats happened with all the high VG nonsense and vaping at a million watts.

I vape 70% PG and at 9.2 watts generally. I vape about 7ml a day.

Tickityboo

J Mysterio wrote: »

Thats whats happened with all the high VG nonsense and vaping at a million watts.

I vape 70% PG and at 9.2 watts generally. I vape about 7ml a day.

Why is it nonsense?
Different strokes and all that!
I vape 70℅ VG @ about 40 watts and wouldn't go through much more juice than yourself.
You must have it constantly stuck in your gob to go through that much juice at such low wattage!!

was.deevey

For the record to get through 25ml of juice: 
I vape @ 180º or around 50 watts, 80% VG juice @ 2mg (DIY) dual coil .25ohm RDA ... 1ml lasts for about 20 generous puffs.
On the computer at home for around 10 hours a day so do have it stuck in my gob quite alot  ;) 
The high VG has a much much smoother flavour.

chipfox

That's mad I'd vape at roughly the same temp/watts/ohms and I couldn't get through more than 10 a day and I never have it out of my hand. Although I'm at 5mg so maybe we vape the exact same amount ha

Vapely

J Mysterio wrote: »

While I agree with your points, who is the 'we' you are referring to?

Hi Mysterio, while I'd hope all vendors will take a similar approach, the we I refer to is Vapely. Obviously different vendors will use different wholesalers, and I can only speak in terms of the new pricing that our wholesalers have given us but for now, it looks like a ~10% increase in wholesale pricing. For all I know, other vendors are seeing a higher increase than that and you may see higher prices as a result. Hope that clarifies!

bINNIe23

Hi All,

Im having mom's send over 8x bottles of various 30ml and 60ml e-juice (all 3nic). My question is, with the news laws in place, will there be any problems getting this past customs? In short, will i be able to receive my package no problems?

I was going to have my family bring them along on their carry on luggage (theres 9 family members coming) ....was under the impression they would each be able to carry up to 100ml (as long as it was contained in a ziplock bag?) ....but Mom's kinda freaked out and worried airport security would take them all aside for a strip search and waterboard interrogation or something! ;-P They are all coming over with NO check-in (arghhhhhh!)

Any help any of yous can provide will be much appreciated!

Thanks a mill,
BinniE

JackieChang

bINNIe23 wrote: »

Hi All,

Im having mom's send over 8x bottles of various 30ml and 60ml e-juice (all 3nic). My question is, with the news laws in place, will there be any problems getting this past customs? In short, will i be able to receive my package no problems?

I was going to have my family bring them along on their carry on luggage (theres 9 family members coming) ....was under the impression they would each be able to carry up to 100ml (as long as it was contained in a ziplock bag?) ....but Mom's kinda freaked out and worried airport security would take them all aside for a strip search and waterboard interrogation or something! ;-P They are all coming over with NO check-in (arghhhhhh!)

Any help any of yous can provide will be much appreciated!

Thanks a mill,
BinniE

I think I read a post here recently that somebody ordered juice from the US and had to pay tobacco duty/excise/whatever it's called.