Disabled Parking Space

MAYOMICK

I was always under the impression that for a Disabled Parking space to valid,it had to have ground markings and a sign on a pole,wall etc.I have googled this and I think that I may be incorrect as all I can find is sign RRM015 which is on the ground.
The reason I ask is that I use a car park occasionally which serves as a public car park and Local Authority staff car park.In the past 6 months 2 new disabled plces have been provided with ground and wall markings.The wall sign on the previous parking space has been removed but the ground markings remain.
I just wonder what signage is required for a disabled parking space.

Fred Swanson

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GM228

As Fred stated just a painted wheelchair sign on the ground is all that is required as per legislation.

Unlike many other road markings there isn't even a specific colour required, they are often either yellow or write, but if for some reason it was decided to paint them pink for example then they would still be legal.

endacl

This is one of those areas where cop on and common courtesy overrides any deficit in the 'letter of the law'.

coylemj

endacl wrote: »

This is one of those areas where cop on and common courtesy overrides any deficit in the 'letter of the law'.

I don't think the OP is trying to pull a fast one and get away with taking up a disabled space on a technicality. It does appear that the original disabled space has been 'decommissioned' in favour of two new spaces. The wall signage for the original space was removed and there are two new spaces with freshly painted ground markings and new wall signs.

Over time the old markings will disappear with weathering and the OP is inquiring as to the legal status of the old space. Specifically he is asking if the absence of a wall sign means that it reverts to being an open space for all comers or must he wait 5 years for the ground markings to fade away?

Fred Swanson

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MAYOMICK

No Im not trying to pull a fast one,I wouldnt park in a disabled space whether there is a wall marking or not.I just had it my head that there had to be a wall marking.What happens if theres snow etc.

Fred Swanson

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coylemj

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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There are three inline (with the footpath) disabled spaces outside Deansgrange library on Clonkeen Drive. Each space has it's own six or seven foot high pole with a disabled sign - seems a lot of overkill if they're 'not essential'

freshpopcorn

We had this problem in our local town before with a space nobody knew was the space after being moved or was it still their because the markings looked burnt off. The council eventually painted the spaces blue!

Peregrinus

coylemj wrote: »

There are three inline (with the footpath) disabled spaces outside Deansgrange library on Clonkeen Drive. Each space has it's own six or seven foot high pole with a disabled sign - seems a lot of overkill if they're 'not essential'

They're not legally essential, but we do lots of things that are not legally essential because the are good practical common sense. A disable sign on a pole is visible from a greater distance than marking on the ground, and it's convenient to motorists to be able to spot from a distance that the reason that convenient space is vacant is that it's a disbled space. Plus, a space marked with both road markings and a sign is going to be more visible generally, and there is less chance that someone will park in it through oversight or carelessness. Since the object of designating disabled spaces is not to raise money from fines but to ensure their availability for those who need them, measures which make motorists more likely to notice and respect them are a good idea, even if not legally required.

There's no legal requirement for destination and distance signposts on the road - there are legal standards to be observed if you erect them, but no obligation to erect them in the first place - but road authorities erect them anyway.

3DataModem

My old boss has a disabled symbol painted on his office parking space, to stop visitors parking there. His initials weren't enough.

talkingpj

3DataModem wrote: »

My old boss has a disabled symbol painted on his office parking space, to stop visitors parking there. His initials weren't enough.

You should have reported him to the local press if it was a private road or the police of it was a public road

NUTLEY BOY

Side bar question in relation the blue disabled parking permits if I may.

In relation to public parking I sometimes see notices that say that permits are not valid. Does this mean that the blue badge cannot be used or does that refer only to permits for the general area. I understood that the blue badge would always override any such restriction.

NUTLEY BOY

3DataModem wrote: »

My old boss has a disabled symbol painted on his office parking space, to stop visitors parking there. His initials weren't enough.

Talk about tempting providence :mad:

coylemj

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

In relation to public parking I sometimes see notices that say that permits are not valid. Does this mean that the blue badge cannot be used or does that refer only to permits for the general area. I understood that the blue badge would always override any such restriction.

Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown co. co. uses the term 'permit' only in connection with residential and visitor permits, the blue badge they call a 'Parking Card for People with Disabilities' so my guess is that the sign you refer to does not apply to people with the blue badge.

Peregrinus

coylemj wrote: »

Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown co. co. uses the term 'permit' only in connection with residential and visitor permits, the blue badge they call a 'Parking Card for People with Disabilities' so my guess is that the sign you refer to does not apply to people with the blue badge.

This. The idea is to stop non-disabled holders of residents' permits parking in the disabled space and claiming that their residents' permit gives them the right to do so.

Victor

NUTLEY BOY wrote: »

Side bar question in relation the blue disabled parking permits if I may.

In relation to public parking I sometimes see notices that say that permits are not valid. Does this mean that the blue badge cannot be used or does that refer only to permits for the general area. I understood that the blue badge would always override any such restriction.

It would be prudent to read the relevant bye-laws.

coylemj

Peregrinus wrote: »

This. The idea is to stop non-disabled holders of residents' permits parking in the disabled space and claiming that their residents' permit gives them the right to do so.

Don't think so. You can't park in a disabled spot with or without a resident permit, it's blue badge or nothing and that applies everywhere.

What Nutley Boy was asking about was the meaning of the term 'permits are not valid' which you sometimes see applying to an entire street and what it appears to mean is that you cannot park for free on that street even if you live nearby and have a resident or visitor permit. The sign has nothing to do with disabled spaces.

I see it in Blackrock on streets which the council wants to be available for visitors so they're basically telling residents who live nearby to park in the side streets.