New Slurry Tank

davidk1394

I'm thinking of buying a slurry for our own work and doing hire work aswell. Looked at a few different brand and prices vary slightly. Wondering what do people think of the brands out there

Slurry Kat 2750 gallon tank is €17,100 inc vat, it comes with an 11000 L pump, hydraulic change over, work lights.

Abbey 2500 is 17,500 inc vat comes with a 11000 L pump with a full sight tube and no hydraulic change over

Rossmore 2600 gallon is 18250 inc vat comes with a 11000 pump fully galvanized tank and work lights

Hi Spec is 17,500 for the basic model 2,500 gallon tank but comes with stronger tyres to carry a greater load and a11000 L pump

Major 2600 gallon is 18,500 and comes with a 11000 L pump

What are peoples thoughts ?

kerry cow

Some say the abbey is good to pull and don't sway on the road .others say the hispec is strong .
Tyre sizes and ply rating is also important .

simx

kerry cow wrote: »

Some say the abbey is good to pull and don't sway on the road .others say the hispec is strong .
Tyre sizes and ply rating is also important .

Hi spec are high and more likely to turnover I reckon, like the abbey myself

loveta

what tyres are they on 28s or 30.5 big difference in price AFAIK. also abbeys leaf spring is meant to be the the cats PJs for comfort when on the road as compared to the coil springs at the front most have.

f140

is the Rossmore the only galvanised one out of those? If so looks good value.


Will it spend most of its life outside, if so then I would probably go the galvanised Rossmore.


My preference will always be for Hi-Spec. There all I ever had. Mine were always painted but I keep it in a shed and oiled so stays like new (on the outside anyway). The paint on the Hi-Spec seems to be the best out of the lot and I always found them very sturdy. You don't see many collapsed Hi-Specs on donedeal. (actually mostly star tanks that you do see).

visatorro

simx wrote: »

Hi spec are high and more likely to turnover I reckon, like the abbey myself

Contractor near me has 2500 hi-spec, reckons he can't get anyone to drive it as she's looks very top heavy. Hilly ground around here he never tumbled it, but you would want to be very careful I'd imagine.

blue5000

What are the tyre options?

If you are keeping long term Rossmore would be my choice. Remember some of them don't subtract in-set wheels from the tank volume.

Have any of them the chassis to mount a trailing shoe in future?

Hydraulic driven pump is worth a look for awkward yards.

mahoney_j

blue5000 wrote: »

What are the tyre options?

If you are keeping long term Rossmore would be my choice. Remember some of them don't subtract in-set wheels from the tank volume.

Have any of them the chassis to mount a trailing shoe in future?

Hydraulic driven pump is worth a look for awkward yards.

My contractor has designed and manufactured a tank ,it's an off set tank which when spreading has the tank slightly to o e side of tractor and drives on seperate set of tracks .also has a hydraulic pump and set up for trailing shoe/dribble bar .ive had him here numerous times with it and it's the dogs u know what's especially on tricky ground .google stealth manufacturing or you'll find his page on Facebook

davidk1394

On the slurry kat it comes on 30.5 R32's. I'm thinking about a wide angle pto shaft for the tank. I dont like the hydraulic pump as it would be very awkward to knock it off when the tank is full. I operated all the main brand of tanks and i like Abbey as it is quick filling, not too noisy and i find it smooth on the road. I think the Hi Spec have a very noisy pump and major are fairly pricey but are fairly popular. IF i get a tank it'll be mainly me operating it and will always be backed into a shed during the winter

cute geoge

I think nc and redrock have got popular with contractors or maybe they are just priced better with sterling .Anyway it is big money you are talking about
For the money mentioned ,would you be as well off tip away with whatever tank you have at the moment and instead invest in a mastex umbilical cord system ,17k would go a long way in a pump ,reel and pipe even you might pick up some of it s/h in as new condition.I think the country is full of big tanks and there will be a lot more demand for the cord if you were going contracting .The only drawback is you would need a big second tractor

poor farmer

I bought a Hispec 2300 ,I find it good 30.5 /32 tyres.
Wide angle shaft is a gift ,I wouldn't be without it.
The Jurop pump is noisy especially when filling.
Overall I'm happy. I was looking for a short tank to suit tight gaps/ lanes. Major and abbeys have along drum.

NC look a well finished tank,

Limestone Cowboy

Conor might be worth pricing, contractor I work for now and again bought a 2750 last summer for around 17k aswell. Fine tank. Sorry I can't remember the exact figure. Think hispec are the best made myself. A friend bought a 10 year old 2300 and I gave him a hand respraying it and there wasn't a bit of rot on it anywhere, the barrel was perfect on it and was damn near as good as a new one when it was done.

davidk1394

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

Conor might be worth pricing, contractor I work for now and again bought a 2750 last summer for around 17k aswell. Fine tank. Sorry I can't remember the exact figure. Think hispec are the best made myself. A friend bought a 10 year old 2300 and I gave him a hand respraying it and there wasn't a bit of rot on it anywhere, the barrel was perfect on it and was damn near as good as a new one when it was done.

Yeah there very popular here. 4 new tanks are within 10kms of me. 2 contractors bought 2 new Connor tanks last year. I rang a lad selling them in tipp twice but no response. I agree about the high spec. Cousin has a 1600 gallon that's 1998. Power washed a few weeks ago and it looked like new without a spot of rust on it.

Waffletraktor

davidk1394 wrote: »

Yeah there very popular here. 4 new tanks are within 10kms of me. 2 contractors bought 2 new Connor tanks last year. I rang a lad selling them in tipp twice but no response. I agree about the high spec. Cousin has a 1600 gallon that's 1998. Power washed a few weeks ago and it looked like new without a spot of rust on it.

Do you fore-see doing much spreading longterm? A lazy arm may be worth considering even if you were to occasionally hire it out too seperate it from the rest.

satstheway

The Jurop pump's are fierce noisy when filling but are supposed to be alot more robust than any other.
You can get them fitted with silencer.

davidk1394

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Do you fore-see doing much spreading longterm? A lazy arm may be worth considering even if you were to occasionally hire it out too seperate it from the rest.

Auld lad was onto me about them. There's not many yards around here set up for them. Mainly filling from the back. I only want to get up and going first and then if it goes well I might consider trading in the tank with a one with a trailing shoe and a lazy arm

davidk1394

satstheway wrote: »

The Jurop pump's are fierce noisy when filling but are supposed to be alot more robust than any other.
You can get them fitted with silencer.

Quick to fill a tank though and you'd know when it's full!!! A friend of mine got an exhaust custom fitted by hi spec. It runs back through the tank and out behind the axle. I must get a picture of it

satstheway

davidk1394 wrote: »

Quick to fill a tank though and you'd know when it's full!!! A friend of mine got an exhaust custom fitted by hi spec. It runs back through the tank and out behind the axle. I must get a picture of it

Spares crowd beside us say they never see anyone looking for parts for Jurop pump often for other types and loads of hispec about.

kerry cow

The abbey is a lovely tank to pull but my experience is anything abbey is a rust bucket

White Clover

The Herron tank look a nice job. I don't know what pump they use though. Major tank here and very happy with it.

case885

kerry cow wrote:

The abbey is a lovely tank to pull but my experience is anything abbey is a rust bucket

What about the galvanized model?
Not many going for major here.

kerry cow

Galvanised is the job alright .

davidk1394

These tanks are made up in Temolemore. Hand made. Looked at one today. Very impressed by its build quality but fairly pricey. However if you were doing a lot of work this is the tank

boggerman1

davidk1394 wrote: »

These tanks are made up in Temolemore. Hand made. Looked at one today. Very impressed by its build quality but fairly pricey. However if you were doing a lot of work this is the tank

Ya thats coonan in clonmore.he started doing tanks in past couple of yrs.mainly replacing barrells on them.he wouldn't spare the quality of the steel in his stuff.

davidk1394

boggerman1 wrote: »

Ya thats coonan in clonmore.he started doing tanks in past couple of yrs.mainly replacing barrells on them.he wouldn't spare the quality of the steel in his stuff.

I was very impressed. You'd know by the way he talks he takes no short cuts

mycro2013

Many a man has been caught by the ramblings of a convincing sales man.

Id be slow to buy one of his tanks unless i got a substantial discount due to thé following.

1. Tanks are unproven with the established players having tested and proven product.

2. Resale and trade in values are as yet unestablished.

davidk1394

mycro2013 wrote: »

Many a man has been caught by the ramblings of a convincing sales man.

Id be slow to buy one of his tanks unless i got a substantial discount due to thé following.

1. Tanks are unproven with the established players having tested and proven product.

2. Resale and trade in values are as yet unestablished.

This is the same lad that makes them. He has the manarisms of a dog. He showed me what he made before he talked. By the looks of it what you buy is what you keep. Their built to last 20 years +. Just respray them after 15 years

porter shark

If you want to get any decent amount of work contracting you will have to buy dribblebar now. I have a hi spec for 10 years, contracting. Never left a spanner on it. Tanker is perfect and I have to go out and buy dribblebar now just to keep my customers. I know money is big but you will not get off d ground contracting. Before long splash plates will be a thing of the past.

Limestone Cowboy

porter shark wrote: »

If you want to get any decent amount of work contracting you will have to buy dribblebar now. I have a hi spec for 10 years, contracting. Never left a spanner on it. Tanker is perfect and I have to go out and buy dribblebar now just to keep my customers. I know money is big but you will not get off d ground contracting. Before long splash plates will be a thing of the past.

40% grant through tams aswell for a tank with a dribble bar or trailing shoe.

davidk1394

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

40% grant through tams aswell for a tank with a dribble bar or trailing shoe.

But you cant do hire work. I was looking at the system using the aerator that was at the grass and muck. It's a simpler system that your standard trail and shoe. I know where your coming from but i just want to get started

case885

davidk1394 wrote:

But you cant do hire work. I was looking at the system using the aerator that was at the grass and muck. It's a simpler system that your standard trail and shoe. I know where your coming from but i just want to get started

Why can't you do hire work?

Limestone Cowboy

davidk1394 wrote: »

But you cant do hire work. I was looking at the system using the aerator that was at the grass and muck. It's a simpler system that your standard trail and shoe. I know where your coming from but i just want to get started

I get you about just getting started, with the grant it might not be costing much more though. I have a friend that has a 2000 gallon Conor with trailing shoe ordered and it's 95% contracting work it's going to be doing. Is that the pbe aerator your talking about?

davidk1394

Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

I get you about just getting started, with the grant it might not be costing much more though. I have a friend that has a 2000 gallon Conor with trailing shoe ordered and it's 95% contracting work it's going to be doing. Is that the pbe aerator your talking about?

if he uses it to spread slurry for someone in GLAS he has to give a receipt. Thats how their catching out lads. If you buy the tank its for your own use

Limestone Cowboy

davidk1394 wrote: »

if he uses it to spread slurry for someone in GLAS he has to give a receipt. Thats how their catching out lads. If you buy the tank its for your own use

He has a contracting business already and 4 normal tankers, I'm sure he'll find a way around it.

simx

Ordered a new 2000 gal tank with trailing shoe through tams, I qualify to get 60% grant, after grant back works out 850 odd cheaper than buying just tank on its own with 40% grant be 3500 more than just tank though, still the trailing shoe is worth 13500 alone

Keepgrowing

Have a 10yo Conor 2250 tanker and its bullet proof.

Just from a farmer PoV I'll never buy another tank as we've gone to contractor with umbilical dribble bar.

€120/HR with an output of 22-26k per hour or 8 acres per hour. It would take 3 tankers going very well to achieve this out out. I know that if you've a fragmented farm you'll need to use tankers. We have land away from main block and I think we'll use "0's" to maintain this till the young lads get their licence. We were slow converters to the pipe but we won't be going back.

porter shark

I have a customer with a good land block around the shed and last year he got another contractor to cover this with umbilical system. Only got him because the ground was so wet but told me straight away that it cost double what he was used to paying me and unless he's awfully stuck he will be sticking to tanker. Maybe if he had bigger fields the umbilical system would be able to compete but not suited to smaller paddocks in d west.

mycro2013

You may have to increase your hourly rates.

Who2

porter shark wrote: »

I have a customer with a good land block around the shed and last year he got another contractor to cover this with umbilical system. Only got him because the ground was so wet but told me straight away that it cost double what he was used to paying me and unless he's awfully stuck he will be sticking to tanker. Maybe if he had bigger fields the umbilical system would be able to compete but not suited to smaller paddocks in d west.

I have the feeling he may have just been keeping you sweet. We use both here and the umbilical all the way and only a bit over half the price. Now it's a different story if you've a half dozen round bales and a couple of rolls of net wrap in the tank.

visatorro

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Have a 10yo Conor 2250 tanker and its bullet proof.

Just from a farmer PoV I'll never buy another tank as we've gone to contractor with umbilical dribble bar.

€120/HR with an output of 22-26k per hour or 8 acres per hour. It would take 3 tankers going very well to achieve this out out. I know that if you've a fragmented farm you'll need to use tankers. We have land away from main block and I think we'll use "0's" to maintain this till the young lads get their licence. We were slow converters to the pipe but we won't be going back.

O's ?

Keepgrowing

visatorro wrote: »

O's ?

0/10/20
0-7-30

porter shark

Man charged him €1000 plus vat emptied a 5 bay 14'6'' and a 3 bay 12'6''. I had mixed it and watered it down for him.

I could have spread it for cheaper than that.

And cheaper again if I didn't have to bring in all the water to thin it for d umbilical.

rangler1

porter shark wrote: »

Man charged him €1000 plus vat emptied a 5 bay 14'6'' and a 3 bay 12'6''. I had mixed it and watered it down for him.

I could have spread it for cheaper than that.

And cheaper again if I didn't have to bring in all the water to thin it for d umbilical.

As a neighbour said ''€120/hr for spreading the river''

cute geoge

Is there a different price for rolling out and rolling up the pipes with the umbilical system ,surely it should be half the cost of €120/hour with the pumping tractor idle

tanko

I got ten 12'6" bays spread by pipe in 2013 for €450 euro (€150 per hour actual spreading time, time spent rolling out/up pipes not charged for). The slurry was very well mixed (had it mixed and ready to spread several times that "summer" but the ground was just too wet for my 1150 gallon tank).
Never had him back since so don't know how much he charges now but if you are spreading close to the yard and have the slurry VERY WELL MiXED and have gaps well positioned between fields even if they're small i reckon spreading by pipe wipes the floor with spreading by tank.

Keepgrowing

cute geoge wrote: »

Is there a different price for rolling out and rolling up the pipes with the umbilical system ,surely it should be half the cost of €120/hour with the pumping tractor idle

€120/ hour here including rolling and unrolling. A slurry tanker is actually only spreading for a few minutes every hour and you'll pay for that

Smalltom

Used a major 2670 (or 2760 gallon) with 800x30 tyres. I was impressed with it even though there was a little ground damage. Well finished tank. Have a hi spec 3000g tandem on 560's and the major was defo easier pull even allowing for d size difference. Any thoughts on a tandem axle on 750x22.5 tyres compared to 750x30 single axle in terms of ground damage etc?