It has gone too far!

Idbatterim

So there I am reading this article, about a Tipo, so not exactly mind blowing, I come across this gem "And road tax is a hefty €280" WOW a hefty E280, so pretty much free? as opposed to the E270 band down or the E200 rate? Why don't they start getting real, cost is such an issue, why don't they start getting real and reporting on the first few years depreciation and loan interest?

http://www.independent.ie/life/motoring/car-reviews/cost-gives-tipo-solid-start-as-fiat-begins-turnaround-35382100.html

I think its safe to assume that any of the **** cars that these papers will review, motor tax shouldn't even be mentioned! You know whats hefty? E1200 or E2350 the max rate, yeah that's hefty! E280 I pay more than that a quarter on my cc based car :rolleyes:

I was chatting to a bmw employee yesterday that I know in the garage beside me! LOL at the depreciation and some going back in thinking it wont cost too much to go up a year or two, they get what they deserve...

copeyhagen

the fact they just brought in emmisions date for tax from 2008 and didn't go back to like 1998 is a fooking joke.

my partners 2009 1.4 petrol auris's tax is like 500+

bazz26

UK car magazines and UK car reviews in general mention motor tax too so it's not just an Irish thing. Also surely people know the rough cost of motor tax on their cars prior to buying them?

Idbatterim

CC Rates on smaller engines...
Tax Band Annual Half Year Quarter Year Arrears (Per Month)
0 - 1000 199 110 56 19.90
1001 - 1100 299 165 84 29.90
1101 - 1200 330 183 93 33.00
1201 - 1300 358 198 101 35.80
1301 - 1400 385 213 108 38.50
1401 - 1500 413 229 116 41.30

So people hard on about the old rates being ridiculous, they were still more than acceptable for anything below 2L in my opinion...

bazz26

And cars that cost a lot to tax tend to cost less to buy.

GavMan

Perhaps he meant hefty in that its nearly twice as much as some alternatives

Idbatterim

Tax Band Annual Half Year Quarter Year Arrears (Per Month)
0 - 1 120 66 33 12.00
2 - 80 170 94 48 17.00
81 - 100 180 99 50 18.00
101 - 110 190 105 53 19.00
111 - 120 200 111 56 20.00
121 - 130 270 149 76 27.00
131 - 140 280 155 79 28.00
141 - 155 390 216 110 39.00

here are the bands, I mean if it were the 121-130 zone, it would be E270 WOW!

GustavoFring

Idbatterim wrote: »

I was chatting to a bmw employee yesterday that I know in the garage beside me! LOL at the depreciation and some going back in thinking it wont cost too much to go up a year or two, they get what they deserve...

Cars depreciate, get what they deserve for buying a new car is it? Maybe they should have bought an older car then. Maybe everyone should buy an older car. Sure that would solve everything

Either way, pay by use is the only fair motor tax.

People know the tax when buying so moaning about it afterwards pointless and usually from people who want to buy high end cars cheap but don't want the running costs thats made them such good value in the first place.

SBPhoto

Remember someone bought your car new once, Good luck to those that can afford new cars, its a lovely place to be. and its not all about depreciation.

Idbatterim

Remember someone bought your car new once, Good luck to those that can afford new cars, its a lovely place to be. and its not all about depreciation.

of course, and of course I can afford to buy a new crap box that most people drive. Id be pushing myself or couldnt afford something I would actually want to drive new...

Cars depreciate, get what they deserve for buying a new car is it? Maybe they should have bought an older car then. Maybe everyone should buy an older car. Sure that would solve everything

they obviously got done for far more than they thought they would, brexit has been massive for the motoring trade. The guy in bmw said it has been a nightmare... They have been surprised at how little their car is worth as a trade in, I'm not!

Cee-Jay-Cee

It's articles like that one that drive the stupid irish motorists to buy diesel cars that they don't need and unfortunately this country has a huge proportion of idiots that can't see further than the tax disc when buying a car.

Red Kev

He does mention the depreciation as part of the overall cost in the article.

Did you email him with your point and if you did, then what did he say?

And price is where I suspect most of us would need least convincing. They're obviously doing two things on that front: making the car as inexpensive as possible while putting in a good amount of standard equipment.

It would be unfair to call it bargain basement - let's leave that to Dacia for now. But it is certainly in the region of making you ask yourself: what else out there will give me something similar for €18,000? The answer is not much (the list of rivals goes from the likes of the Citroën C4 to the Ford Focus with a huge number of others, such as the Toyota Auris in-between).
Would I buy it? For many of the reasons outlined above, especially the budget-sensitive bottom line, I would definitely look at it. Let's be honest. The level of engineering in virtually all cars these days is high; fit and finish are usually of a decent standard and people's demands are such that they won't settle for poor quality materials in a new car.

But my major reservation would be what my 2017 Tipo would be worth in three years when I'd be trading it in.

If it stands that test of time - as well as our collective predisposition - and residual values hold well, then people will be far more confident in buying one.
That is the challenge: for your dealer, especially, to convince you it makes economic sense both now and in three years.

Fiat had to start somewhere to turn things around. I think they've made a really solid beginning with the Tipo.

Idbatterim

I didnt email him, if it were the E390 rate, given the Irish mentality I would have gotten where he is coming from and even at that it would have been pathetic. At E570 etc it would be understandable, but e280?

Unlike the cc increases, where there could be large jumps to get more power, the jumps on the emissions system up to E390 a tiny. Where Id actually be going out to seek decent power cars for an absolute pittance of an increase in tax.

When I change car, Im probably going for an E92, 330 i.e. E750 and Ill pay it in a lump, unlike now. I wouldnt give those pr**ks any more. i.e up to the next band of E1200?

so one band jumps ten euro and another jumps E450 :rolleyes:

JohnBoy26

Idbatterim wrote: »

CC Rates on smaller engines...
Tax Band Annual Half Year Quarter Year Arrears (Per Month)
0 - 1000 199 110 56 19.90
1001 - 1100 299 165 84 29.90
1101 - 1200 330 183 93 33.00
1201 - 1300 358 198 101 35.80
1301 - 1400 385 213 108 38.50
1401 - 1500 413 229 116 41.30

So people hard on about the old rates being ridiculous, they were still more than acceptable for anything below 2L in my opinion...

I think anything at 1600cc and above is hefty tbh. My last 1.6 cost €514 per annum to tax, which I thought was quiet expensive for a relatively modest engine size.

JohnBoy26

GavMan wrote: »

Perhaps he meant hefty in that its nearly twice as much as some alternatives

Most modern Naturally aspirated engines that size are around that much to tax though

JohnBoy26

copeyhagen wrote: »

the fact they just brought in emmisions date for tax from 2008 and didn't go back to like 1998 is a fooking joke.

my partners 2009 1.4 petrol auris's tax is like 500+

I don't get your point about going back to 1998. Most diesels back then were 1.8 to 2.0 and gutless and petrol cars were not advanced as they are now either(in terms of emissions) so you would still have more expensive tax on the co2 system for a petrol car and cheaper tax on a worse performing more polluting diesel.

If you went for the facelift auris with the 1.33 engine your tax would be €280