Church in Kilkenny.....not in the city

Mental Mickey

Can anyone suggest a church in Kilkenny not too far from the Lyrath hotel that would have an aisle wide enough to enable us to go out of the church together as a married couple rather than one having to follow the other.....? We are both wheelchair users. Looking for one that's not in the city.


TIA

toe_knee

There is a church out in Jenkinstown woods and the chairs can be moved. Beautiful area for photos too

Mental Mickey

toe_knee wrote: »

There is a church out in Jenkinstown woods and the chairs can be moved. Beautiful area for photos too

I think that church is derelict

KKkitty

You could try Gowran church. If you explain your needs they may be able to accommodate you. It's not far from The Lyrath Hotel either.

Mental Mickey

KKkitty wrote: »

You could try Gowran church. If you explain your needs they may be able to accommodate you. It's not far from The Lyrath Hotel either.

Is that St Mary's? It looks like an exhibition centre or something?

KKkitty

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Is that St Mary's? It looks like an exhibition centre or something?

St. Mary's church is an old Protestant church. There's a Catholic church just about on the Kilkenny road. It's about 10 minutes from that hotel.

toe_knee

It's not derelict. I am a photographer and I done a wedding there only last year.

Mental Mickey

KKkitty wrote: »

St. Mary's church is an old Protestant church. There's a Catholic church just about on the Kilkenny road. It's about 10 minutes from that hotel.

What's the name of the Catholic one?

KKkitty

Mental Mickey wrote: »

What's the name of the Catholic one?

The Church of the Assumption. The website is down at the moment but when it goes back up I'll let you know.

cargo

Foulkstown Church is just off the ring-road heading out the Waterford Road but I'm not sure what the spacing is like. I know its a small enough church but someone on here might be able to tell you a bit more about the layout.

Edit:
Sorry but I dont think it would be suitable. Found this online and it looks very narrow without any room to slide back the pews a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgfCbXgiwg

Mental Mickey

cargo wrote: »

Foulkstown Church is just off the ring-road heading out the Waterford Road but I'm not sure what the spacing is like. I know its a small enough church but someone on here might be able to tell you a bit more about the layout.

Edit:
Sorry but I dont think it would be suitable. Found this online and it looks very narrow without any room to slide back the pews a bit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MgfCbXgiwg

Was in it. No go

cargo

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Was in it. No go

Yeah could see that alright from the video. I also saw a video link to the church in Paulstown which is just a bit further out but it's a no go either as it's almost identical to the Foulkstown one.

I know you said not i the city but Loughboy is just on the inside of the ring road but is a modern design so might have wide isles.

Mental Mickey

cargo wrote: »

Yeah could see that alright from the video. I also saw a video link to the church in Paulstown which is just a bit further out but it's a no go either as it's almost identical to the Foulkstown one.

I know you said not i the city but Loughboy is just on the inside of the ring road but is a modern design so might have wide isles.

Loughboy is right in the middle of the SuperValu car park, so that's a no go either - definitely.

road_high

Presuming you are looking for a Roman Catholic church, wouldn't St. Mary's Cathedral be big and wide in terms of aisle and doorways?
I know you said no city churches, but other ones would tend to be smaller and narrower.

cargo

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Loughboy is right in the middle of the SuperValu car park, so that's a no go either - definitely.

Yeah that carpark is mental at the best of times, I just wasnt sure if the church had a separate carpark down the side.

linny

how about Duiske Abbey in Graiguenamanagh
https://www.google.ie/search?q=duiske+abbey&biw=1600&bih=805&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiI1J7t7trRAhXpKsAKHbR1BbcQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=vNhb8PV1fcpulM%3A
https://www.google.ie/search?q=duiske+abbey&biw=1600&bih=805&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwiI1J7t7trRAhXpKsAKHbR1BbcQ_AUIBigB#imgrc=Lsd7KnyASP5gkM%3A

Mental Mickey

cargo wrote: »

Yeah that carpark is mental at the best of times, I just wasnt sure if the church had a separate carpark down the side.

Stupid place for a church imo

Captain Havoc

I texted my friend who's a priest and he say's "St. Fiacre's church is all on the flat. The rest have wheelchair access but usually side doors". St. Fiacre's is the one in Loughboy.

Mental Mickey

Captain Havoc wrote: »

I texted my friend who's a priest and he say's "St. Fiacre's church is all on the flat. The rest have wheelchair access but usually side doors". St. Fiacre's is the one in Loughboy.

Yes the one in the car park....?

Captain Havoc

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Yes the one in the car park....?

Yep

Mental Mickey

Captain Havoc wrote: »

Yep

Not going for that one

Comerman

Clara church??? only 5min up the road from Lyrath.

Mental Mickey

Comerman wrote: »

Clara church??? only 5min up the road from Lyrath.

Keep getting directed to a school when I search for that church on Google Maps....?

up for anything

Clara church is small. My daughter sang for a wedding there so I had a good look at it. I don't think you'd get two wheelchairs down the aisle side by side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara,_County_Kilkenny#/media/File:Clara_church_-_geograph.org.uk_-_433187.jpg

Here it is on google maps - sorry bout the mega long link. Ha! That's odd - it shortened itself.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Clara+Cars/@52.6442083,-7.152026,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQj2LlXl6u-BB88BBHrEK8A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQj2LlXl6u-BB88BBHrEK8A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D58.686405%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x485d382cce3dfebf:0xbc8f156d53ed18d8!8m2!3d52.6463892!4d-7.1442224!6m1!1e1?hl=en


If you drive out the Dublin/Carlow old main road from Kilkenny, it's the immediate turn on the right just at the Fox & Goose pub (closed down now).

Mental Mickey

up for anything wrote: »

Clara church is small. My daughter sang for a wedding there so I had a good look at it. I don't think you'd get two wheelchairs down the aisle side by side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara,_County_Kilkenny#/media/File:Clara_church_-_geograph.org.uk_-_433187.jpg

Here it is on google maps - sorry bout the mega long link. Ha! That's odd - it shortened itself.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Clara+Cars/@52.6442083,-7.152026,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQj2LlXl6u-BB88BBHrEK8A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQj2LlXl6u-BB88BBHrEK8A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D58.686405%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x485d382cce3dfebf:0xbc8f156d53ed18d8!8m2!3d52.6463892!4d-7.1442224!6m1!1e1?hl=en


If you drive out the Dublin/Carlow old main road from Kilkenny, it's the immediate turn on the right just at the Fox & Goose pub (closed down now).

I looked at that map but can't see the church??

Big Bag of Chips

How far out of the city are you prepared to go? With the M9 motor way you could be up to the Lyrath in half an hour from as far away as Mooncoin, which has a wide aisle, all on the flat, loads of parking and nowhere near a shopping centre car park.

Edit: Have you spoken to any priest from Kilkenny yet? A priest from the diocese would have a good idea of many of the churches and be able to point you in a certain direction.

up for anything

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I looked at that map but can't see the church??

Google maps - the blue line - doesn't seem to go all the way that lane on the map but it shows the houses down along and the church. I have no problem in finding it. Maybe you could pay a visit out there?

Mental Mickey

up for anything wrote: »

Google maps - the blue line - doesn't seem to go all the way that lane on the map but it shows the houses down along and the church. I have no problem in finding it. Maybe you could pay a visit out there?

Can you edit that map and draw a circle where the church is?

Big Bag of Chips

That Google link opens at the gate of the church for me!!

Mental Mickey

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

That Google link opens at the gate of the church for me!!

I meant the other link, sorry...

Big Bag of Chips

I'm confused!

What other link? Up for anything posted a Google Maps link to Clara Church.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Clara+Cars,+Clara,+Kilkenny/@52.6442083,-7.152026,3a,49.9y,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQj2LlXl6u-BB88BBHrEK8A!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x485d382cce3dfebf:0xbc8f156d53ed18d8?hl=en

You replied to them and said you can't see the church. I see the gate of the church when I click the link and open it using either Chrome or Google maps.

cargo

Isle in Clara is narrow according to this photo and again there doesn't seem to be room to push back the seating.

https://goo.gl/images/IEJDGK

Now I may have kept the best until last..... I knew about this one all along but i thought it might be a bit far and something nearer would come up but it's not looking like it.

The church out in Tullaroan has always had a fairly modern design and the last refurb has kept the isle fairly wide. It's the widest I know of.

Here's Some good photos of it from the architects that did the refurb. Also so long as the pews are not screwed down they can be pushed back on both sides to make the isle even wider.

http://ddaarchitects.wix.com/duignan-dooley-architects#!tullaroan-church

and a few photos from a wedding photographer with people in it to judge scale.

http://www.couple.ie/2015/09/paula-garrett-kilkenny-river-court-hotel/

Downside, it's about 20 mins drive from town.

KKkitty

I think Gowran church is out too I'm afraid. It has pillars and heaters at the other side of the opening to the seats I'm afraid. Best of luck with finding a different church.

Mental Mickey

cargo wrote: »

Isle in Clara is narrow according to this photo and again there doesn't seem to be room to push back the seating.

https://goo.gl/images/IEJDGK

Now I may have kept the best until last..... I knew about this one all along but i thought it might be a bit far and something nearer would come up but it's not looking like it.

The church out in Tullaroan has always had a fairly modern design and the last refurb has kept the isle fairly wide. It's the widest I know of.

Here's Some good photos of it from the architects that did the refurb. Also so long as the pews are not screwed down they can be pushed back on both sides to make the isle even wider.

http://ddaarchitects.wix.com/duignan-dooley-architects#!tullaroan-church

and a few photos from a wedding photographer with people in it to judge scale.

http://www.couple.ie/2015/09/paula-garrett-kilkenny-river-court-hotel/

Downside, it's about 20 mins drive from town.

No photos of s church there? Just the link to the website's home page???

Big Bag of Chips

There are photos in the gallery section. Lots of Thumbnails. Scroll down to the one that looks like the aisle and altar of a church!!

Mental Mickey

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

There are photos in the gallery section. Lots of Thumbnails. Scroll down to the one that looks like the aisle and altar of a church!!

Confused.com??? Can't see photos of a church?

Big Bag of Chips

A jaysus Mickey!! What sort of internet connection/browser are you using. First you couldn't see the church through Google Maps, now you can't see photos on the architects website in the "Gallery" section? Did you look at the link to the photographers site. That shows people walking down the aisle (and a few other photos)

I'm not being funny here, but your whole thread has been dismissive of many suggestions and wanting posters to take you by the hand and guide you to other suggestions. I appreciate that your needs are specific but that is where you might be better off speaking to a priest, any priest, from the diocese. So that face to face you can lay out what your specific requirements are and he can then direct you to a suitable church.

Mooncoin, 30 mins away or Tullaroan 20 mins away seem to be two sound suggestions. Maybe you should take a spin out to each of them some day to get a better idea yourselves.

KT Blotter

Definitely duiske abbey graignamanagh

Copy and Paste this link to see how wide the aisle is.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graiguenamanagh#/media/File:Graiguenamanagh_Nave_1997_08_27.jpg

road_high

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

A jaysus Mickey!! What sort of internet connection/browser are you using. First you couldn't see the church through Google Maps, now you can't see photos on the architects website in the "Gallery" section? Did you look at the link to the photographers site. That shows people walking down the aisle (and a few other photos)

I'm not being funny here, but your whole thread has been dismissive of many suggestions and wanting posters to take you by the hand and guide you to other suggestions. I appreciate that your needs are specific but that is where you might be better off speaking to a priest, any priest, from the diocese. So that face to face you can lay out what your specific requirements are and he can then direct you to a suitable church.

Mooncoin, 30 mins away or Tullaroan 20 mins away seem to be two sound suggestions. Maybe you should take a spin out to each of them some day to get a better idea yourselves.

Glad I wasn't the only one reading and thinking that...and not very grateful for any helpful suggestions offered either.

Mental Mickey

up for anything wrote: »

Clara church is small. My daughter sang for a wedding there so I had a good look at it. I don't think you'd get two wheelchairs down the aisle side by side.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clara,_County_Kilkenny#/media/File:Clara_church_-_geograph.org.uk_-_433187.jpg

Here it is on google maps - sorry bout the mega long link. Ha! That's odd - it shortened itself.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Clara+Cars/@52.6442083,-7.152026,3a,75y,90t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sQj2LlXl6u-BB88BBHrEK8A!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DQj2LlXl6u-BB88BBHrEK8A%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D58.686405%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x485d382cce3dfebf:0xbc8f156d53ed18d8!8m2!3d52.6463892!4d-7.1442224!6m1!1e1?hl=en


If you drive out the Dublin/Carlow old main road from Kilkenny, it's the immediate turn on the right just at the Fox & Goose pub (closed down now).

Found the Fox & Goose pub on Google Maps, and know which church you're talking about now. Apologies for not sounding grateful - I am.

The church is at the end of the road after you turn right at the old Fox & Goose pub

cargo

Jaysus Mickey we'll all end up adding the first part of your username to our own before this thread comes to an end :-)

Anyway if you want to send me a private message (click on my username and you'll see the option to do it from the dropdown) and give me an email address I'll send through the photos from the links above.

screamer

I've worked in many churches in Kilkenny.

Foulkstown is very popular, but yes, the aisle is narrow.
The church in Gowran has a wider aisle for sure, not massive, but Gowran is a bit of a treck.
St. John's is a massive, massive church you'd want a large crowd for it to feel in any way cosy. St Mary's is bigger again, and TBH although from a historical point of view is beautiful, it's very dark inside.
Lastly, you could look at st canices church, not the cathedral. It is bright inside and has a lovely wide aisle. Here you can see it: http://stcanicesparish.ie/?page_id=3&title=our-parish

I am sure I have pictures of the churches here from working in them, so if you can't find them online, message me and I can send them on.

Big Bag of Chips

Gowran is less than 15 mins away! If the poster doesn't want a city church, with a wide aisle he's going to have to be prepared to travel a little bit. I wouldn't consider 15 mins a trek!! I wouldn't consider 30 mins a trek. People get married around the county all the time and travel to the city for their hotel with no hassle.

screamer

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

Gowran is less than 15 mins away! If the poster doesn't want a city church, with a wide aisle he's going to have to be prepared to travel a little bit. I wouldn't consider 15 mins a trek!! I wouldn't consider 30 mins a trek. People get married around the county all the time and travel to the city for their hotel with no hassle.

Gowran is a bit of a trek compared to churches in the city that are closer to Lyrath.
There's very few country churches that have an aisle wide enough TBH. Even Duiske has a wide aisle, but definitely not a country feel there as it's in the town.
Bennetsbridge church would have pews that slide back, but it's more a modern church and doesn't have a long aisle.
OP I think you're going to have to compromise somewhat TBH.

Comerman

Not trying to be smart or anything here but if a church can accommodate the carrying of a coffin by people on both sides along the main aisle would that not be wide enough then for two wheelchairs?

Mental Mickey

Comerman wrote: »

Not trying to be smart or anything here but if a church can accommodate the carrying of a coffin by people on both sides along the main aisle would that not be wide enough then for two wheelchairs?

Not all churches, no. You shouldn't make assumptions about something you know nothing about.

Big Bag of Chips

People carrying coffins are usually standing almost shoulder to shoulder. Usually able to put their arm around the shoulders of the person beside them for extra support. Wheelchairs are wider than people.. they have wheels for a start! and seats, often with armrests that add extra width to the width of the user.

So are you any further along in picking a church after the above suggestions, Mickey?

Mental Mickey

Big Bag of Chips wrote: »

People carrying coffins are usually standing almost shoulder to shoulder. Usually able to put their arm around the shoulders of the person beside them for extra support. Wheelchairs are wider than people.. they have wheels for a start! and seats, often with armrests that add extra width to the width of the user.

So are you any further along in picking a church after the above suggestions, Mickey?

We've settled on Clara Church, which is 5 mins from the Lyrath.

We were lucky enough to catch the parish priest in the office today, and he came down to let us in to see the church.

He's extremely flexible about moving the pews to accommodate our chairs, and those of any guests who maybe wheelchair users.

Comerman

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Not all churches, no. You shouldn't make assumptions about something you know nothing about.

I do apologise mental Mickey but as I said I wasn't trying to be funny or anything and I haven't been or never will be in ALL churches. Glad you picked my original suggestion though, best of luck to both of you on the big day and for the future.

Mental Mickey

Comerman wrote: »

I do apologise mental Mickey but as I said I wasn't trying to be funny or anything and I haven't been or never will be in ALL churches. Glad you picked my original suggestion though, best of luck to both of you on the big day and for the future.

Was that your original suggestion lol!!??? Mucho embarrassed lol!!!

Comerman

Mental Mickey wrote: »

Was that your original suggestion lol!!??? Mucho embarrassed lol!!!

Best of luck to you both.