Cost of a 2013 BMW 520d M-Sport?

seligehgit

Just wondering what price the above vehicle would retail for? Can't see any such models on carzone,autotrader or donedeal?

bmwguy

seligehgit wrote: »

Just wondering what price the above vehicle would retail for? Can't see any such models on carzone,autotrader or donedeal?

There are 2012 and 2014 m5 on carzone, going for between 65k and 80k. So somewhere in the middle.

bazz26

Makes you wonder what a non "sport" M5 is about, especially if its diesel. :pac:

As said a 5 Series M Sport and M5 are completely different and at opposite ends of the spectrum.

ironclaw

bazz26 wrote: »

As said a 5 Series M Sport and M5 are completely different and at opposite ends of the spectrum.

At least Audi closed that gap in their product line with the RS4 TDI.

seligehgit

OSI wrote: »

Are you sure you're not thinking of a 5 series M-Sport, instead of an M5 "sport". Changes the value drastically :P

Sorry that's the one..to one and all apologies for my folly and ignorance in this matter,thanks for all your help.

bmwguy

There are 229 5 series on donedeal alone between 131 and 132 reg plates. A large proportion of these are sport models like you asked for. Prices start at €19,995 for a lovely looking touring 520d sport and go all the way up to €48,450 which is also a touring 520d sport but is waaaaaay overpriced.

So anything in between those figures really, low 20s would give you a decent bit of choice. Note they will be nearly all 520d cars for sale

ION08

How about focusing less on the year and more on the engine?

I would much rather a 2011 or 2012 530d... even if its the non "Sport" model.

€20k would land you a beautiful one from the UK with a proper 6 cylinder engine

Idbatterim

the op asked about an m5. Youd probably get in an I8 at that price, fairly different car, but its performance, more of a head turner than M5 and would cost a fraction of it to run, Id assume depreciation is also lower...

ION08

Idbatterim wrote: »

the op asked about an m5. Youd probably get in an I8 at that price, fairly different car, but its performance, more of a head turner than I5 and would cost a fraction of it to run, Id assume depreciation is also lower...

I dont think the OP realllly asked about an M5

Idbatterim

Are you sure you're not thinking of a 5 series M-Sport, instead of an M5 "sport". Changes the value drastically

in fairness 5 series would be ten a penny, if he is having problems finding them M5 would make sense...

bazz26

Idbatterim wrote: »

in fairness 5 series would be ten a penny, if he is having problems finding them M5 would make sense...

Unless the OP is searching online for a diesel M5.

seligehgit

I'm seeking the pricing for a BMW 520 D M SPORT year 2013.

bazz26

Finally. You will pay low to high 20k for one from private sellers to independent dealers and anything upto mid 30k from a main dealer with a 2 year warranty. Automatics account for about 95% of them and manuals are worth less second hand. 2013 was the year the 5 Series got a facelift which included higher standard equipment such as xenon headlights, sat nav and full electric front seats.

Idbatterim

A 520d! The m5 was slightly wide of the mark lol

ION08

seligehgit wrote: »

I'm seeking the pricing for a BMW 520 D M SPORT year 2013.

What a surprise, another donkey dressed up for a horse show :rolleyes:

Would you at least not even consider a 525d?? :rolleyes:

Difference in tax, insurance and runing costs is negligeable and you have a superior car with a proper straight 6 unlike all most of the other 5 series you see on irish roads.

spyderski

A 525d from 2013 isn't a six cylinder either....

ION08

spyderski wrote: »

A 525d from 2013 isn't a six cylinder either....

Yes, thats why I said focus less on the year and more on the engine.

Give me a well specced 11 or 12 530d or 525d with the 3.0 6 cyl than a 131 or even a 141 520d rattlebox.

Buy the car not the reg plate!

bazz26

ION08 wrote: »

What a surprise, another donkey dressed up for a horse show :rolleyes:

Would you at least not even consider a 525d?? :rolleyes:

Difference in tax, insurance and runing costs is negligeable and you have a superior car with a proper straight 6 unlike all most of the other 5 series you see on irish roads.

A 525d of that vintage just has a second turbo strapped on the 520d engine. If you're after smoothness and refinement then don't do things by half measures, just buy one of the large petrol variants altogether. A diesel tractor is still a tractor no matter how many cylinders it has at the end of the day.

ION08

bazz26 wrote: »

A 525d of that vintage just has a second turbo strapped on the 520d engine. If you're after smoothness and refinement then don't do things by half measures, just buy one of the large petrol variants altogether. A diesel tractor is still a tractor no matter how many cylinders it has at the end of the day.

No they are not all twin turbo and to be honest a large petrol version will be a lot more expensive to run and live with. Whereas there is very little difference in terms of running costs, insurance and tax between 525d and 520d, a pretty clear and fair point. No need to be absurd suggesting a "large petrol variant".

spyderski

bazz26 wrote: »

A 525d of that vintage just has a second turbo strapped on the 520d engine. If you're after smoothness and refinement then don't do things by half measures, just buy one of the large petrol variants altogether. A diesel tractor is still a tractor no matter how many cylinders it has at the end of the day.

A 520d of that vintage (F10/11)is also twin turbo. 525 is exactly the same engine, remapped with a larger intercooler amd slightly different gearbox software. You'll have to go back to a pre 2010 to get a Straight 6 525d. And you won't get one of those in Ireland.

bmwguy

I am the owner of a 6 cylinder petrol 5 series but have to ask, why is there always hate for the 520d? I drove one recently and liked it, it has plenty of power and torque and f10 something or other will be probably be my next car, possibly a 530d or a petrol if I can find one for as good value as a 520d. If I do get the 2 litre diesel, I will still be very happy with it.

Ok it doesn't have the 6 cylinder that bmw is famous for but those days are more or less in the past now.

The default response to someone asking about a 5 series is to get a 3 litre, they are not for everyone and a very niche product. Times are changing.

No other 4 cylinder gets a hard time like the 5 series, you will hardly find a 6 cylinder anything nowadays.

If you want a 520d, get a 520d, at up around 180bhp it's easily in the top 10% of all cars on Irish roads power wise.

bazz26

It's not being absurd though, my point is that for most people a 520d will do the exact same for them as a 525d/530d. 525d/530d are scarce here and can cost a fair bit more to buy over the same 520d. I'd rather spend that difference on a nicer spec, if my main priority was smoothness or refinement I'd be spending it on a petrol variant rather than a rattly diesel.

bazz26

spyderski wrote: »

A 520d of that vintage (F10/11)is also twin turbo. 525 is exactly the same engine, remapped with a larger intercooler amd slightly different gearbox software. You'll have to go back to a pre 2010 to get a Straight 6 525d. And you won't get one of those in Ireland.

You probably mean twin scroll or twin power turbo which is not the same thing as two turbos.

carsfan2

spyderski wrote: »

A 520d of that vintage (F10/11)is also twin turbo. 525 is exactly the same engine, remapped with a larger intercooler amd slightly different gearbox software. You'll have to go back to a pre 2010 to get a Straight 6 525d. And you won't get one of those in Ireland.

520d is not twin turbo but 525d of that age is.

ION08

spyderski wrote: »

A 520d of that vintage (F10/11)is also twin turbo. 525 is exactly the same engine, remapped with a larger intercooler amd slightly different gearbox software. You'll have to go back to a pre 2010 to get a Straight 6 525d. And you won't get one of those in Ireland.

carsfan2 wrote: »

520d is not twin turbo but 525d of that age is.

A 520d is twin scroll sungle turbo

And again, wrong on the 525d. F10's from 2010-2012 are a 3.0d 6 cylinder, a detuned 530d as opposed to a 520d+1 extra turbo

For arguments sake, would you spend 23k on this
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/14410665
BMW 525D M SPORTS 2011

Or would you spend it on a similar 520d just because it's up a couple of years on the reg? :rolleyes:

Again, no need to go crazy, im not suggesting 535d or 535i... i am simply saying sacrifice a few years on the reg and that same amount of money will buy you the SAME car with a better 6 cylinder a engine ... something which you will probably never get the chance to own again the way things are going.

I myself drive an A4 3.0 TDI QUATTRO but instead of going for a 2010 2.0 TDI model, I got a superior model of the same car ... but from 08. ... plus better spec (FULLY specced actually).... i can almost guarantee you that a 2010 or 2011 model of my car with an inferior 2.0 TDI, front wheel drive and less spec is more expensive to buy purely because of the year in the reg.

Its just a complete no brainer especially if youre in anyway interested in cars... but unfortunately people seem to be more preoccupied with numbers on reg plates and "image" than with the actual car itself ... as sadlly evidenced by the OP with his "M5 sport" that turned out to be a 520d :rolleyes:

spyderski

I have a 520d F11. Had various 6 pot diesels and petrols over the years. The 520d is a fine car, but there's simply no comparison with with a 6. While it initially feels quick enough due to decent torque, it quickly runs out of power higher up in the rev band. Also not in the same league in terms of refinement, power delivery, throttle response etc.

Unfortunately due to taxation and general perception it's nearly impossible to get a 530d or above in this country. Friend of mine went to order a new 530d last year -€15k extra new over a 520 and the salesman warned him it would be worth no more than a 520d in 3 years. I nearly bought a slightly used 535d about 18 months ago, thought about it over a weekend and it was gone on the Monday. Raging I missed it, it was one of the nicest cars I've ever driven...

Wailin

ION08 wrote: »

A 520d is twin scroll sungle turbo

And again, wrong on the 525d. F10's from 2010-2012 are a 3.0d 6 cylinder, a detuned 530d as opposed to a 520d+1 extra turbo

For arguments sake, would you spend 23k on this
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/14410665
BMW 525D M SPORTS 2011

Or would you spend it on a similar 520d just because it's up a couple of years on the reg? :rolleyes:

Again, no need to go crazy, im not suggesting 535d or 535i... i am simply saying sacrifice a few years on the reg and that same amount of money will buy you the SAME car with a better 6 cylinder a engine ... something which you will probably never get the chance to own again the way things are going.

I myself drive an A4 3.0 TDI QUATTRO but instead of going for a 2010 2.0 TDI model, I got a superior model of the same car ... but from 08. ... plus better spec (FULLY specced actually).... i can almost guarantee you that a 2010 or 2011 model of my car with an inferior 2.0 TDI, front wheel drive and less spec is more expensive to buy purely because of the year in the reg.

Its just a complete no brainer especially if youre in anyway interested in cars... but unfortunately people seem to be more preoccupied with numbers on reg plates and "image" than with the actual car itself ... as sadlly evidenced by the OP with his "M5 sport" that turned out to be a 520d :rolleyes:

Wrong. 3 litre 525d changed to 2 litre N47 in 2011.

Idbatterim

the problem with the lack of 530d etc is the initial purchase price is so much higher than 520d, the motor tax difference if any is absolute pocket change...

ION08

Wailin wrote: »

Wrong. 3 litre 525d changed to 2 litre N47 in 2011.

Yet if you even bothered to click on the link in the post you quoted, you would see a 2011 525d M sport ..... with a 3.0d engine. Good man.

Idbatterim wrote: »

the problem with the lack of 530d etc is the initial purchase price is so much higher than 520d, the motor tax difference if any is absolute pocket change...

See that the thing, the initial purchase price will be the same or even cheaper if youd bevwilling to sacrifice a few years off the reg!!

For what you would pay for a 2013 "M Sport", you could easily get a 2010/2011 525d or even 530d .... it could even work out cheaper if you are willing to forego the fancy frock (M sport) and opt for a well specced SE.

Give me a well specced 2010 530d SE over a 2013 520d M sport anyday of the week.

ironclaw

If you are not too concerned about the year and are willing to pick through the chaff, you can have a 535D for very little money no adays. Its an M5's baby brother, same sprint time to 100km/h and with a little remap you can bring it north of 300bhp all at 40MPG.

When I was looking last year, I waited over 6 months before I choose another car, but there was some value to be had and the market has exploded recently.

Blazer

spyderski wrote: »

A 520d of that vintage (F10/11)is also twin turbo. 525 is exactly the same engine, remapped with a larger intercooler amd slightly different gearbox software. You'll have to go back to a pre 2010 to get a Straight 6 525d. And you won't get one of those in Ireland.

I did bought my F10 3 litre 525d from conlans a few months back, it's not the msport but it was a sacrifice I could live it.
The 2l 525d is an alpina tuned engine and actually puts out more hp 218 vs 204 for the 3l, however the 3l has way more room for remapping.
The lci cars kicked in on 132 reg here in Ireland.
I admit I'm starting to get really annoyed by all these posters who dismiss the 520d which is a great car and diesel cars with their tractor sound. If the op wants a 2l car what the hell is wrong with that?

seligehgit

A mate who owns a BMW has advised me that they're back wheel drive and are a nightmare to hold on the road in icey conditions?

ION08

Blazer wrote: »

I did bought my F10 3 litre 525d from conlans a few months back, it's not the msport but it was a sacrifice I could live it.
The 2l 525d is an alpina tuned engine and actually puts out more hp 218 vs 204 for the 3l, however the 3l has way more room for remapping.
The lci cars kicked in on 132 reg here in Ireland.
I admit I'm starting to get really annoyed by all these posters who dismiss the 520d which is a great car and diesel cars with their tractor sound. If the op wants a 2l car what the hell is wrong with that?

Fair play on the 525d sounds like a lovely car.

Nothing is "wrong" with the OP wanting a 520d except for the fact that it's the Default irish choice. Most people won't even consider a 525d like yourself because they are more concerened with years on a reg and image, god forbid you would sacrifice an M Sport kit for a Superior engine :rolleyes:
others dont even know that a 525d even exists and that it is actually a viable alternative to a 520d, hence why nearly every 5 series is a 520d , every 3 series is a 320d.

The 3 series is an even better example, the market is flooded with 320d with the notorious N47 engine yet barely any 325d's with the M57 engine! Even though the 325d is a tiny bit more expensive to tax and maybe insure but gives you the piece of mind that you wont have timing chain issues.

This leads to a scenario where the market is flooded with basic cars and if you want anything nice you have to go to the UK.... like i did.

millington

seligehgit wrote: »

A mate who owns a BMW has advised me that they're back wheel drive and are a nightmare to hold on the road in icey conditions?

Not so bad in ice but in snow they're awful

ION08

seligehgit wrote: »

A mate who owns a BMW has advised me that they're back wheel drive and are a nightmare to hold on the road in icey conditions?

Go for a Quattro so!

bmwguy

millington wrote: »

Not so bad in ice but in snow they're awful

I second this. But it's been 5 years or something now since it snowed properly to affect the car.

TimeToShine

Got excited reading the title till I clicked into the thread!

Blazer

ION08 wrote: »

Fair play on the 525d sounds like a lovely car.

Nothing is "wrong" with the OP wanting a 520d except for the fact that it's the Default irish choice. Most people won't even consider a 525d like yourself because they are more concerened with years on a reg and image, god forbid you would sacrifice an M Sport kit for a Superior engine :rolleyes:
others dont even know that a 525d even exists and that it is actually a viable alternative to a 520d, hence why nearly every 5 series is a 520d , every 3 series is a 320d.

The 3 series is an even better example, the market is flooded with 320d with the notorious N47 engine yet barely any 325d's with the M57 engine! Even though the 325d is a tiny bit more expensive to tax and maybe insure but gives you the piece of mind that you wont have timing chain issues.

This leads to a scenario where the market is flooded with basic cars and if you want anything nice you have to go to the UK.... like i did.

Its the price you see..its another 6-8k to go up from a 320/520 to a 325/525D. Even on the english forums I see people telling the posters to buy the 2l and some nice toys instead of the bigger engine so its not just irish people

To the Op..the M-sports are lovely cars...make sure that the one you pick has xenon lights as least..halogens are crap on the bmws. Also other things to look for are enhanced bluetooth for audio streaming...this was an extra option on bmw which a lot of people don't get..alos try to get the sat nav if possible..best of luck with the search.
A chap at work here brought over a 131 320d m sport from the UK and it's a gorgeous car..definitely works out cheaper and as someone said on another thread you can still get a bmw warranty on it by ringing them up and paying for it..around €500 a year depending on the car but well worth it in case of any issues.

ironclaw

seligehgit wrote: »

A mate who owns a BMW has advised me that they're back wheel drive and are a nightmare to hold on the road in icey conditions?

They will only be a nightmare if you are pushing it or using poor quality rubber. In wet, they rear will squirm if you plant it and you are dealing with the more powerful variants. If you are that concerned about grip, and you live in an area with poor / often wet / icy roads, then you would be best to go for Quattro / AWD car, but honestly I see no need.

Like all cars, drive for the conditions at hand and you won't have a problem

MetzgerMeister

bazz26 wrote: »

You probably mean twin scroll or twin power turbo which is not the same thing as two turbos.

BMW have really confused people with this craic! On the engine cover is "Twin Power Turbo" which as you rightly said is one twin-scroll turbo.

There also was a theory that Twin Power Turbo meant a turbo and VANOS system but this isn't the case either.

Idbatterim

See that the thing, the initial purchase price will be the same or even cheaper if youd bevwilling to sacrifice a few years off the reg!!

youre preaching to the choir on this! Ive said it before, unless you shell out a fortune, you get a proper car or newer reg... take your pick! in terms of the snow and ice, ridiculous, don't drive it like an idiot and youll be fine, the once in a blue moon we have any snow here!

seligehgit

Thanks for your help guys,most informative.

bf

seligehgit wrote: »

Thanks for your help guys,most informative.

Whats your budget OP? Best to try and get a nice spec 5 series in your budget, something with good options will always sell better when you eventually come to sell it.

Or you could go all out on something like this!

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2012-bmw-5-series-535d-f10-m-dublin-fpa-7734939093590684435

313bhp and only €390 to tax

Blazer

bf wrote: »

Whats your budget OP? Best to try and get a nice spec 5 series in your budget, something with good options will always sell better when you eventually come to sell it.

Or you could go all out on something like this!

http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/bmw/5-series/used-2012-bmw-5-series-535d-f10-m-dublin-fpa-7734939093590684435

313bhp and only €390 to tax

great car...I was mad to get one...next time
pity they're so rare in ireland..I've only ever seen 2 of the F10 535Ds.